(new title) are these statements justifiable? are they slanderous?

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bozack

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it is a call out thread because your title is the guys name and the whole purpose of this thread is to point out his idiocy and bias....while I am not disagreeing with your message, this is a personal attack thread in that you are singling him out (not hard to do though especially when compared with the rest of the libs on here).
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: JacobJ


Bush meets no criteria. Bush has never done anything Christian.

Bush is the American equivalent of a fanatical terrorist Muslim.

Bush and Hitler have similarities:
-both are fanatics
-both are obsessed with Poland
-both hate France
-both are secretive
-both will do anything to destroy their enemies
-both start wars with others in the name of their country
-both are authoritarians
-both are fascists
-both have carefully orchestrated political gatherings
-both don't care about civil liberties

Of course they are different too: Hitler was better with German than Bush is with English. Also Bush doesn't have the mustache. Finally, Hitler as a young man served in his country's armed forces in wartime, Bush didn't.


You forgot the Christian Coalition and 700 Club, equally repugnant groups. (in reference to groups such as the world nazi party, fascists of america, gay bashers of america - Jacob)


But the newspaper, whose cartoons regularly portray President George W. Bush as a semi-literate ape, was unrepentant.
Sounds pretty accurate to me. Who needs a cartoon?
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Topic Title: infohawk
Topic Summary: heres a few things infohawk wrote

Change your Title to something like:

Topic Title: Some Out Of Context Views Of Left Leaning P&N Members
Topic Summary: heres a few things compiled

and the Thread would be opinion based and not even locked and you would not even face a vacation before the Election.

Just a suggestion. I do not have any affiliation with Mods on here.



 

CaptnKirk

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Jake - Prepare youself for becoming a poster child for what NOT TO DO here.

A two week vacation is not enough for call-outs and personal insults.
30 day minimums.
 

JacobJ

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: JacobJ


Bush meets no criteria. Bush has never done anything Christian.

Bush is the American equivalent of a fanatical terrorist Muslim.

Bush and Hitler have similarities:
-both are fanatics
-both are obsessed with Poland
-both hate France
-both are secretive
-both will do anything to destroy their enemies
-both start wars with others in the name of their country
-both are authoritarians
-both are fascists
-both have carefully orchestrated political gatherings
-both don't care about civil liberties

Of course they are different too: Hitler was better with German than Bush is with English. Also Bush doesn't have the mustache. Finally, Hitler as a young man served in his country's armed forces in wartime, Bush didn't.


You forgot the Christian Coalition and 700 Club, equally repugnant groups. (in reference to groups such as the world nazi party, fascists of america, gay bashers of america - Jacob)


But the newspaper, whose cartoons regularly portray President George W. Bush as a semi-literate ape, was unrepentant.
Sounds pretty accurate to me. Who needs a cartoon?

Topic Title: infohawk
Topic Summary: heres a few things infohawk wrote

Change your Title to something like:

Topic Title: Some Out Of Context Views Of Left Leaning P&N Members
Topic Summary: heres a few things compiled

and the Thread would be opinion based and not even locked and you would not even face a vacation before the Election.

Just a suggestion. I do not have any affiliation with Mods on here.



[/quote]Good suggestion...

 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Jake - Prepare youself for becoming a poster child for what NOT TO DO here.

A two week vacation is not enough for call-outs and personal insults.
30 day minimums.

While a vacation may be called for and justified, I posted a few days ago if those that get vacationed because of their actions could be un-vacationed at least in time for the Election, like maybe Election Day itself.



 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: JacobJ
Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Topic Title: infohawk
Topic Summary: heres a few things infohawk wrote

Change your Title to something like:

Topic Title: Some Out Of Context Views Of Left Leaning P&N Members
Topic Summary: heres a few things compiled

and the Thread would be opinion based and not even locked and you would not even face a vacation before the Election.

Just a suggestion. I do not have any affiliation with Mods on here.
Good suggestion...

Much better and Thank You.

You still have to take Infohawk out of the Topic Summary.


I hate to see anyone Vacationed as we approach probably the most important Election in the Modern era of the United States.
 

Pliablemoose

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Once again, proof that while I may disagree with Dave, he's a kind person, with his heart in the right (or shall I say correct?) place.

:thumbsup: Dave:D
 

Sassy

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Jacob: You might want to consider removing his name out of the topic summary. Your first post clearly identifies who your are referring to.
 

JacobJ

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Originally posted by: kissnup
Jacob: You might want to consider removing his name out of the topic summary. Your first post clearly identifies who your are referring to.
That is intentional. I believe that Infohawk is responsible for his statements. If he wants to explain them, he should have ample oppurtunity.

 

rbV5

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I don't see how this is any different than before. This is clearly a thread about the posting of a single board member here, it certainly is not Politics or News. Any of his statements could be addressed when he made them, and in the thread he made them in.

I certainly wouldn't want my postings held up for scrutiny out of context, and I see this as nothing more than an attempt to ridicule and embarrass another member of the forum (not that will actually happen in this case)...clearly a personal attack IMO.

Why the OP can't respond to Infohawk in the threads themselves and leave it at that, is nothing but a cowardly troll.


 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: rbV5
I don't see how this is any different than before. This is clearly a thread about the posting of a single board member here, it certainly is not Politics or News. Any of his statements could be addressed when he made them, and in the thread he made them in.

I certainly wouldn't want my postings held up for scrutiny out of context, and I see this as nothing more than an attempt to ridicule and embarrass another member of the forum (not that will actually happen in this case)...clearly a personal attack IMO.

Why the OP can't respond to Infohawk in the threads themselves and leave it at that, is nothing but a cowardly troll.

While that may be true. It is all a Theme. A Theme echoed by many on here, not just one member.

Can you honestly say that this Theme has come up with any other President whether Republican or Democrat to a degree such as this???

Doesn't that give any pause for thought as to why this is happening or are Neocons so far gone due the Brainwashing beyond any possibility to stop and think for a second???

 

Gamingphreek

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Lock and Vacation!

THis is not opinion anymore, i wouldn't go so far as to say anarchist but this is against all facts, and a blatant attack on a figure. THis is not politics!

-Kevin
 

CaptnKirk

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Mods seem to be letting it ride for now.

Maybe the two need to have it out with each other.

CageMatch or Duel ?
 

bozack

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Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Once again, proof that while I may disagree with Dave, he's a kind person, with his heart in the right (or shall I say correct?) place.

:thumbsup: Dave:D

I agree, for the amount of times that Dave and his rants get under my skin, it is actions like these which truly make up for it...I agree with his suggestion of unbanning anyone before the election and would hope that it would be at least a week in advance....thanks
 

bozack

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Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Lock and Vacation!

THis is not opinion anymore, i wouldn't go so far as to say anarchist but this is against all facts, and a blatant attack on a figure. THis is not politics!

-Kevin

against all facts?? Is it a personal attack as it currently stands? I would say no more of a discussion on what a certain member has stated re. political views, remember whenever you post something on these boards or the net in general you have to be ready for people to comment on...much like IRL when you say something...

I think now that this has been modified it is a slightly relavent subject matter that can be discussed in a civil tone, or it can go to crap as many threads do depending on who contributes and what they contribute.
 
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Originally posted by: JacobJ
I guess the argument for it not being acceptable could be similar to that of the libel law we have in the US...if someone publically slanders a person who is famous, there is no standing for a lawsuit because the person is a public figure who has the ability to counter the slander through the media. If the person slandered was not famous, then there is standing for a lawsuit because the person slandered has no otherwise means of recourse.

In this case, Infohawk has the means to defend his words if he so chooses. In fact, it could be said that he slandered Bush and this post is in response to such slander.

The further function of this post is to draw attention to not only the individual statements by by Infohawk, but the pattern of statements that present a larger message. Responding to them individually would not be an effective way of demonstrating that pattern. Furthermore, I believe the culture of this board suffers because people are not held accountable for what they say. This thread presents an oppurtunity for Infohawk to explain his pattern of statements, and further clarify his point of view if he so chooses. Personally, I have been wondering about how Infohawk is able to back up his statements, or if they really are just slander.


I take it you're not an attorney . . .

Slander is spoken - libel is written. Slander is a defamatory statement of fact that is untrue. Infohawk has merely stated his opinion, something we are free to do in this country, thanks to the First Amendment.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: JacobJ
I guess the argument for it not being acceptable could be similar to that of the libel law we have in the US...if someone publically slanders a person who is famous, there is no standing for a lawsuit because the person is a public figure who has the ability to counter the slander through the media. If the person slandered was not famous, then there is standing for a lawsuit because the person slandered has no otherwise means of recourse.

In this case, Infohawk has the means to defend his words if he so chooses. In fact, it could be said that he slandered Bush and this post is in response to such slander.

The further function of this post is to draw attention to not only the individual statements by by Infohawk, but the pattern of statements that present a larger message. Responding to them individually would not be an effective way of demonstrating that pattern. Furthermore, I believe the culture of this board suffers because people are not held accountable for what they say. This thread presents an oppurtunity for Infohawk to explain his pattern of statements, and further clarify his point of view if he so chooses. Personally, I have been wondering about how Infohawk is able to back up his statements, or if they really are just slander.


I take it you're not an attorney . . .

Slander is spoken - libel is written. Slander is a defamatory statement of fact that is untrue. Infohawk has merely stated his opinion, something we are free to do in this country, thanks to the First Amendment.

merely stated his opinion, something we are free to do in this country, thanks to the First Amendment.

:thumbsup: :D
 

Infohawk

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:laugh:

As others have pointed out, this is not slander (maybe you should research terms before you throw them about). I'll address the "justifiable" part.

I stand by the statements, conceding that some terms are not defined and vague. I think steeplerot said it best when she said it was tame. The funny thing is that the OP doesn't seem to even see that I was being partly humorous (only partly). I mean comon': the Poland obsession and France-hating were just silly.

The most ridiculous part of this thread is that the OP didn't even attempt to gather facts or reasoning against my statements. No, he just suggested they were unjustifiable without explaining why. Does the OP have a problems with my ideas or me? Attack the ideas instead of attacking me. The fact that there hasn't been any actual discussion about the ideas in question show me this thread is flaming personal garbage.

(Since we're not dealing with P&N anymore: for those of you that think there's a liberal bias on this board, check out my sig for another personal assault. Not that I really care--and that might be one reason for the light punishment-- but I think it refutes the liberal bias claim so many make.)

 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Mods seem to be letting it ride for now.

Maybe the two need to have it out with each other.

CageMatch or Duel ?

I vote for CageMatch, it's more fun to watch.
 

GrGr

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: JacobJ
I guess the argument for it not being acceptable could be similar to that of the libel law we have in the US...if someone publically slanders a person who is famous, there is no standing for a lawsuit because the person is a public figure who has the ability to counter the slander through the media. If the person slandered was not famous, then there is standing for a lawsuit because the person slandered has no otherwise means of recourse.

In this case, Infohawk has the means to defend his words if he so chooses. In fact, it could be said that he slandered Bush and this post is in response to such slander.

The further function of this post is to draw attention to not only the individual statements by by Infohawk, but the pattern of statements that present a larger message. Responding to them individually would not be an effective way of demonstrating that pattern. Furthermore, I believe the culture of this board suffers because people are not held accountable for what they say. This thread presents an oppurtunity for Infohawk to explain his pattern of statements, and further clarify his point of view if he so chooses. Personally, I have been wondering about how Infohawk is able to back up his statements, or if they really are just slander.


I take it you're not an attorney . . .

Slander is spoken - libel is written. Slander is a defamatory statement of fact that is untrue. Infohawk has merely stated his opinion, something we are free to do in this country, thanks to the First Amendment.

merely stated his opinion, something we are free to do in this country, thanks to the First Amendment.

:thumbsup: :D

On a Bush rally you are only allowed preapproved opinions :p
 

chess9

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Infohawk:

You never should have responded to the substance, what little there is, of this post. Until you posted, this gentleman was hanging out in the wind to dry.

-Robert
 

rbV5

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: rbV5
I don't see how this is any different than before. This is clearly a thread about the posting of a single board member here, it certainly is not Politics or News. Any of his statements could be addressed when he made them, and in the thread he made them in.

I certainly wouldn't want my postings held up for scrutiny out of context, and I see this as nothing more than an attempt to ridicule and embarrass another member of the forum (not that will actually happen in this case)...clearly a personal attack IMO.

Why the OP can't respond to Infohawk in the threads themselves and leave it at that, is nothing but a cowardly troll.

While that may be true. It is all a Theme. A Theme echoed by many on here, not just one member.

Can you honestly say that this Theme has come up with any other President whether Republican or Democrat to a degree such as this???

Doesn't that give any pause for thought as to why this is happening or are Neocons so far gone due the Brainwashing beyond any possibility to stop and think for a second???


I don't have a problem with a thread on the theme itself, isn't that what quite a lot of the PN threads are. I believe this is different, its obviously directed by the OP toward a single member.
That is intentional. I believe that Infohawk is responsible for his statements. If he wants to explain them, he should have ample oppurtunity.
Infohawk doesn't speak for Liberals, he speaks for himself. This is not Politics or News at all, this is a thread calling him out to explain "his" commentary, which is normally done in the context it is given, as in the thread in which he makes it. Thats where he has the "opportunity" to explain them. I guess now we can just take and search for posts by a member and then cherry pick the outrageous ones out of context and flame the crap out of them in this manner...then they can come on in an "splain" themselves. What a load of crap.

However, the Cage-Match angle does sound interesting, I could be in favor of that...