Originally posted by: IGBT
cap/trade will bring about steep, punitive energy tax for ALL incomes.
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: IGBT
cap/trade will bring about steep, punitive energy tax for ALL incomes.
You only spout this particular talking point because, with your strong prohibitionist stance on ALL substances, you need to distract from the fact that you're strongly in favor of this new cig taxes.
Originally posted by: IGBT
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: IGBT
cap/trade will bring about steep, punitive energy tax for ALL incomes.
You only spout this particular talking point because, with your strong prohibitionist stance on ALL substances, you need to distract from the fact that you're strongly in favor of this new cig taxes.
well, when cap/trade makes electricity so expensive you can no longer afford it atleast you'll be able to have a smoke..outside of course.
Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: Deeko
A) This is old news, why are we reporting it as a new issue?
B) Obviously he was referring to income tax. Its cute that you attack semantics, because you can't attack substance. Everyone with even half an active brain knows he was talking about income tax. Try harder next time.
If money is going out of your wallet. does it really matter what kind of tax it is?
The result is the same.
Since you created this trolling sht-for-brains-of-a-thread, let's recap why you have the comprehension of an eleven day eroded corpse:
1) Title of thread says: "If you make under $250,000 you will see no increases"
2) You say: "So does that affect only the smokers that make over $250 k?"
3) Deeko explains the "250K with no increases" was clearly quoting income tax.
4) Apply for a brain here, it's the only place that can help you.
Another satisfied Obama fanboi! woot
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: Skoorb
"It's actually $400", commonly referred elsewhere to $13/week, as I mentioned. Why would I acknowledge that about McCain? I don't give a sh*t about him. I wanted Obama to win, and he did, so let's stay on point.Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: Skoorb
If we're going to ignore the letter of the law as spelled out by Obama, and assume he was talking about only income, then we need to be honest about it. When he said people under $250k, he was speaking specifically of a group, which is the largest one in the US and saying "if you're in this group, you won't pay more taxes; i.e. the government won't take more of your money". To then take it in means other than income ignores the spirit of what he said.
Your attitude here is simply unhelpful. Anyway, that $13/week should really be taken as an insult by people of moderate or better intellect. This country is under crushing debt right now, to try and buy off some angst with a paltry $13 is simply insulting. Really, it's puerile.I'd love to see pansies like you dropped into China where you have to sht in a hole for a year, I bet you'd have a whole new perspective on life when you get back.
It's actually $400, did you read the link? It's exactly what Obama promised, a tax cut and your income taxes aren't going up if <250K. If you want to argue about semantics on the internet from your cushy home/job/library then go for it, Obama didn't specifically say INCOME TAXES = I'm outraged! Please spare us the loss of IQ points and acknowledge the fact that if McCain was voted in you wouldn't be getting sht. In addition, if you think $13/week is an insult then don't take it. Put your money where you mouth is and post the pic here, otherwise it's all lip service/whining about things you should be thankful for (RE: my China comment).
The idea that disagreeing with it means I have to give it back is not logical at all. Accepting it doesn't mean I agree with it anymore than my wife taking all our life savings out and saying I can either take half or she's going to take all and blow it on coke. Obviously I take what I can but would still prefer she leaves it all in the bank. Are you going to tell me that if I think the US debt is too high I should not take any of my tax return back and instead send all of my extra cash to the government? So then it can be disbursed among people like you? Come on.
I am not thankful for it because I see beyond my next pay check. It doesn't mean I need to visit China so that I'm thankful for what I have. What a silly notion.
No need to argue about the philosophical semantics of the tax cut, the bottom line is that if you're unhappy with it (for whatever reason) then just return it. The bottom line is that it could be much worse (McCain COULD have won and you wouldn't get a g.dam cent, you COULD broaden your horizons by going to China and discovering what real poverty is), and you should be thankful for what you have and not display American spoiled brat syndrome by bitching about something as insignificant as this topic. The bottom line is that your taxes aren't going up and you're getting $400. Play your xbox/PS3/videogames, eat some filet mignon with a nice imported beer, watch a movie, kiss your pretty wife and enjoy life because there are billions out there who would love to be Skoorb or even me (as abrasive as I can sometimes be).
That's bullshit. They can opt out of paying that tax just by quitting smoking.
We can also opt out of home ownership, quit working, cancel vacations, refrain from buying any toys (boats, RV, motorcycles), and all sorts of stuff. So, by your logic, all taxes are voluntary.That's bullshit. They can opt out of paying that tax just by quitting smoking.
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
That's bullshit. They can opt out of paying that tax just by quitting smoking.
Originally posted by: daniel49
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So does that affect only the smokers that make over $250 k?
President Obama signed a law early in his administration to raise taxes from 39 cents to $1.01 per pack of cigarettes and from 19.5 cents to 50 cents per pound for chewing tobacco.
Not that I care, as I don't smoke. But I am sure there will be a lot more taxes coming our way. One more Obama lie.
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: daniel49
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So does that affect only the smokers that make over $250 k?
President Obama signed a law early in his administration to raise taxes from 39 cents to $1.01 per pack of cigarettes and from 19.5 cents to 50 cents per pound for chewing tobacco.
Not that I care, as I don't smoke. But I am sure there will be a lot more taxes coming our way. One more Obama lie.
Only a complete dumbshit would confuse cigarette taxes for federal income taxes.
Originally posted by: ccbadd
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: daniel49
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So does that affect only the smokers that make over $250 k?
President Obama signed a law early in his administration to raise taxes from 39 cents to $1.01 per pack of cigarettes and from 19.5 cents to 50 cents per pound for chewing tobacco.
Not that I care, as I don't smoke. But I am sure there will be a lot more taxes coming our way. One more Obama lie.
Only a complete dumbshit would confuse cigarette taxes for federal income taxes.
Only a complete dumbshit would make that comment without reading the linked article. Obama clearly stated more than once that "no form of tax" would be increased not just federal income tax.
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: ccbadd
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: daniel49
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So does that affect only the smokers that make over $250 k?
President Obama signed a law early in his administration to raise taxes from 39 cents to $1.01 per pack of cigarettes and from 19.5 cents to 50 cents per pound for chewing tobacco.
Not that I care, as I don't smoke. But I am sure there will be a lot more taxes coming our way. One more Obama lie.
Only a complete dumbshit would confuse cigarette taxes for federal income taxes.
Only a complete dumbshit would make that comment without reading the linked article. Obama clearly stated more than once that "no form of tax" would be increased not just federal income tax.
The linked article said no such thing.
Originally posted by: daniel49
[Well normally I am never as rude as to call someone a complete dumbshit, but if you insist the title is yours.
just for your benefit links to his speeches saying any tax are already in the thread.
regardless of that point, result is the same anyway. whats the difference if I slide around one tax increase and increase 30 others? net result is less money in the wallet. energy taxes coming where I get taxed for turning on my light switch. Im waiting for them to start taxing the air I breath next.
Originally posted by: ccbadd
Obama said: "I can make a firm pledge," he said in Dover, N.H., on Sept. 12. "Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."
Originally posted by: ccbadd
Obama said: "I can make a firm pledge," he said in Dover, N.H., on Sept. 12. "Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."
Correction to your sentiments. Naivete is thinking that taxes won't go up. I don't know that anybody here ever believed their taxes wouldn't go up. It doesn't mean they cannot call to task somebody who says they won't and then raises them.Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Omg, Obama lied from Sept 12th! Allow me to hand out tissues. Obama lied about a complete pullout of troops from Iraq from last April, are you going to cry about that too? Plans change, this guy isn't a green rookie anymore and has been hit by the reality stick. The real question is, what kind of reality are many of you living in to think that NONE of your taxes will go up during any 4 year period? Pure naivete.
Originally posted by: Skoorb
It doesn't mean they cannot call to task somebody who says they won't and then raises them.
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Correction to your sentiments. Naivete is thinking that taxes won't go up. I don't know that anybody here ever believed their taxes wouldn't go up. It doesn't mean they cannot call to task somebody who says they won't and then raises them.Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Omg, Obama lied from Sept 12th! Allow me to hand out tissues. Obama lied about a complete pullout of troops from Iraq from last April, are you going to cry about that too? Plans change, this guy isn't a green rookie anymore and has been hit by the reality stick. The real question is, what kind of reality are many of you living in to think that NONE of your taxes will go up during any 4 year period? Pure naivete.
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Correction to your sentiments. Naivete is thinking that taxes won't go up. I don't know that anybody here ever believed their taxes wouldn't go up. It doesn't mean they cannot call to task somebody who says they won't and then raises them.Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Omg, Obama lied from Sept 12th! Allow me to hand out tissues. Obama lied about a complete pullout of troops from Iraq from last April, are you going to cry about that too? Plans change, this guy isn't a green rookie anymore and has been hit by the reality stick. The real question is, what kind of reality are many of you living in to think that NONE of your taxes will go up during any 4 year period? Pure naivete.
Well, like I said, create a thread for him "lying" about completely pulling out of Iraq. Create a thread and complain about the rise in cellphone taxes he created. Just because a politician says something during a campaign doesn't ever mean you should believe it, especially regarding taxes. All in all the tax he was really talking about (income) isn't going up so I don't give a rat's ass about him "lying" or making a verbal "gaffe" about little taxes like this. If he raised income tax I'm sure you would see a lot of people up in arms.