It will be fine as long as they have a ship, and live on it. Ds9 was beyond lame, trek show stuck on a space station.. ick. only figured o ut they needed to %#@ explore space and have a ship at the end.
All the Star Trek series have been good on their own merits. eg: TNG was good for the kiddies.
The original ST was ground-breaking -- a space-age mix of Horatio Hornblower and Wagon Train. Few here are able to appreciate its true context in the scheme of teleVision land.
TNG played to a younger, not so classically literate demographic easily parted from their allowances.
DS9 was fine by me. It was not popular with the TNG crowd. Big plus.
Voyager is more limited in its horizons, not because it makes too little use of a whole quadrant all its own, but because its writers grew up on TNG and cannot even spell science fiction.
Still, the ST genre is worthy.
The original ST was ground-breaking -- a space-age mix of Horatio Hornblower and Wagon Train. Few here are able to appreciate its true context in the scheme of teleVision land.
TNG played to a younger, not so classically literate demographic easily parted from their allowances.
DS9 was fine by me. It was not popular with the TNG crowd. Big plus.
Voyager is more limited in its horizons, not because it makes too little use of a whole quadrant all its own, but because its writers grew up on TNG and cannot even spell science fiction.
Still, the ST genre is worthy.
TNG was by far the best, only series i was glued to my TV for, DS9 had like 2 good episodes, ever.
The original was just too damn old, and Voyager was just, i dunno, didnt really do it for me.
The TNG episodes will start to be released this June on DVD, im not sure how many episodes per disk, they could probably fit six or more, but are more likely to do 3/DVD to sell more, and if SONY(I think its sony thats going to publish it?) gets really greedy, it will be 2 episodes per disk.
Either way, the first season will be digitally remastered, and the rest are already Dolby quality on proffesional Digital video, so it will be nice collection to have. My dad has the entire TNG series on VHS, but the quality is severely degrading, it will be nice to see them in fresh Digital on DVD, and know that the quality wont fade over time.
The original was just too damn old, and Voyager was just, i dunno, didnt really do it for me.
The TNG episodes will start to be released this June on DVD, im not sure how many episodes per disk, they could probably fit six or more, but are more likely to do 3/DVD to sell more, and if SONY(I think its sony thats going to publish it?) gets really greedy, it will be 2 episodes per disk.
Either way, the first season will be digitally remastered, and the rest are already Dolby quality on proffesional Digital video, so it will be nice collection to have. My dad has the entire TNG series on VHS, but the quality is severely degrading, it will be nice to see them in fresh Digital on DVD, and know that the quality wont fade over time.
Triumph
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how dare you insult TNG that way, UG! TNG rivaled the original series for interesting characters that truly had depth and charisma, but it had a modern hitch to it that attracted many people. The graphics, while not the greatest, did not seem "cheesy" or outdated, even today. i was young when TNG came on, maybe 11 or 12 i forget, but i watched it the whole way through, and I didn't own any toys. I watched it for the plot, the well written storylines that spanned over many episodes, and again, the characters who all had depth and were played by great actors. the later series do not have these, IMO. i still can't get past the "lets take a vulcan and make him black so it's a new character" thing. ugh.
<...The original was just too damn old,..>
Hahahahaha. No Mozart in your library, eh? Or Homer. Or Plato. Or (insert any pre-80's creative personality here).
Yep. The orignal was too old to be good.
Case rested.
Hahahahaha. No Mozart in your library, eh? Or Homer. Or Plato. Or (insert any pre-80's creative personality here).
Yep. The orignal was too old to be good.
Case rested.
Moi? Insulting TNG. Nope. Just the TNG kiddies.
Pop(ular) is pedestrian, the lowest common denominator having been sold on the idea.
To reach the masses, rocket science must be converted into cartoons.
Pop(ular) is pedestrian, the lowest common denominator having been sold on the idea.
To reach the masses, rocket science must be converted into cartoons.
I didn't really care for DS9, and I don't like Voyager at all. TNG had the problem that the problem was always solved in the last five minutes by pulling some technical process out of nowhere (defined as treknology):
...intro with some inane conversation...
Picard: "What's going on? Why are people dying?"
...10 minutes of investigating...
Geordi: "Oh! it's due to a rip in the fabric of space!"
Riker: "What do we do?"
...10 minutes of people getting bent out of shape...
Deanna: "People are starting to get depressed at the thought of dying"
...10 minutes of people coming to terms with the end...
Worf: "It looks like there's no solution! We need to die with honor"
...10 minutes of more investigation...
Picard: "Data, what do you think?"
Data: "I think if we flood the area with whatsitron particles we can close the rip.
Picard: "Do it!"
Data: "That worked, we are now all safe."
The End.
...intro with some inane conversation...
Picard: "What's going on? Why are people dying?"
...10 minutes of investigating...
Geordi: "Oh! it's due to a rip in the fabric of space!"
Riker: "What do we do?"
...10 minutes of people getting bent out of shape...
Deanna: "People are starting to get depressed at the thought of dying"
...10 minutes of people coming to terms with the end...
Worf: "It looks like there's no solution! We need to die with honor"
...10 minutes of more investigation...
Picard: "Data, what do you think?"
Data: "I think if we flood the area with whatsitron particles we can close the rip.
Picard: "Do it!"
Data: "That worked, we are now all safe."
The End.
I myself would be proud to be associated with the "lowest common denominator" group that appreciated and enjoyed TNG, UG. As opposed to arrogant pseudo-intellectuals.
<< Study some historical naval battles. The big ones featured tons of ships being sunk. The Star Trek ships move and fight at warp speeds. It probably would look like a dog fight. >>
Michelle, there's no doubt when large fleet battles occurred the losses were immense. But in that dominion war sequence, heavy cruisers and dreads were "sunk" in seconds. There's simply no way it could go down like that. Too many ships having too good of shielding and armor. That entire special effects battle was believable only by teenagers...how old are you?
But anyway what shattered it for me was the manueverability of the heavies. These gigantic ships were moving like fighters. That stupid trend began when they introduced the Defiant. Are we watching Star Trek here or Star Wars???
Michelle, there's no doubt when large fleet battles occurred the losses were immense. But in that dominion war sequence, heavy cruisers and dreads were "sunk" in seconds. There's simply no way it could go down like that. Too many ships having too good of shielding and armor. That entire special effects battle was believable only by teenagers...how old are you?
But anyway what shattered it for me was the manueverability of the heavies. These gigantic ships were moving like fighters. That stupid trend began when they introduced the Defiant. Are we watching Star Trek here or Star Wars???
But anyway what shattered it for me was the manueverability of the heavies. These gigantic ships were moving like fighters. That stupid trend began when they introduced the Defiant. Are we watching Star Trek here or Star Wars???
eh? The defiant is basically the only small fighter No wasting space on family quarters etc.. supposedly has engines as strong as much larger ships I don't remember seeing the larger ships dog fighting, the things never turn on a dime.. and no they can't fight at warp for some reason
eh? The defiant is basically the only small fighter
No wasting space on family quarters etc.. supposedly has engines as strong as much larger ships I don't remember seeing the larger ships dog fighting, the things never turn on a dime.. and no they can't fight at warp for some reason
nullshark
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I grew up with TOS and I absolutely loved it (I still do). The characters seemed like they'd been out in space a long time. They had believable chemistry. There was a lot of humour in the episodes. They had action, suspense, melodrama, good stories, mini-skirts, flying double-kicks and amazing special effects for the time.
TNG, I didn't like till the second season because the actors seemed to take a long time to get the fit of their characters down. It could have used more action but I had started to really enjoy even the secondary characters, so kept watching it. My favorite episode was the one where Picard gets hit with an alien probe's beam and in 15 minutes' unconsiousness, hallucinates a full lifetime on the probe's planet of origin (long since destroyed). Inside the probe was a flute that he had been learing to play in his "other life." Also, that flute made reappearances in other episodes, which was very cool.
I haven't seen DS9 in two years, but when I did watch, I'd only enjoy it if the story had my favorite people in it (Worf, Garrick, Gul Ducat, Quark, Miles or Julian). I had no interest in the other chars whatsoever.
Voyager makes me sick. The only people I like on that show are the Doctor and 7of9 - probably because neither of them are human and can show themselves in situations that the other crew members wouldn't ever go through. (Of course, I've only seen about 15 episodes, ever).
I just hope the new series has a lot of fully developed personalities with good acting and stories that delve into those personalities. I do agree that they should be able to go somewhere, though. If the first season is about Zephram Cochrane and his team before they even get into space, I'd probably tune out.
TNG, I didn't like till the second season because the actors seemed to take a long time to get the fit of their characters down. It could have used more action but I had started to really enjoy even the secondary characters, so kept watching it. My favorite episode was the one where Picard gets hit with an alien probe's beam and in 15 minutes' unconsiousness, hallucinates a full lifetime on the probe's planet of origin (long since destroyed). Inside the probe was a flute that he had been learing to play in his "other life." Also, that flute made reappearances in other episodes, which was very cool.
I haven't seen DS9 in two years, but when I did watch, I'd only enjoy it if the story had my favorite people in it (Worf, Garrick, Gul Ducat, Quark, Miles or Julian). I had no interest in the other chars whatsoever.
Voyager makes me sick. The only people I like on that show are the Doctor and 7of9 - probably because neither of them are human and can show themselves in situations that the other crew members wouldn't ever go through. (Of course, I've only seen about 15 episodes, ever).
I just hope the new series has a lot of fully developed personalities with good acting and stories that delve into those personalities. I do agree that they should be able to go somewhere, though. If the first season is about Zephram Cochrane and his team before they even get into space, I'd probably tune out.
I haven't watched Voyager in 2 years. It was pathetic save for a few episodes. DS9 was painful. TNG was good. A pre TOS would be interesting. The feds had a long campaign against the Romulans without ever seeing what they looked like. Then had years of abiding by the agreed neutral zone until the Balance of Terror episode. Sort of like the short lived Space Above and Beyond which I also liked. The Borg was a great idea but I don't see how they could have gotten passed races like the Metrones, ah well.
Xede,
Ouch. Oh, my. What will become of me now that you've terminally lanced my warp core with your nuetrino warhead, adjective torpedos?
Ouch. Oh, my. What will become of me now that you've terminally lanced my warp core with your nuetrino warhead, adjective torpedos?
I still rewatch original series and TNG episodes. Two of the best television series ever IMHO.
But DS9 and Voyager are cases of once was enough. They were decent, just not that great.
But DS9 and Voyager are cases of once was enough. They were decent, just not that great.
Michael
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JellyBaby - I'm 35. At Pearl harbour, huge battlecruisers went down fast. Same thing with some of the big WW1 naval battles. There actually are tons of real world examples of one shell or torpedo sinking a heavy cruiser almost instantly.
I can't believe you tossed in "believability" as a comment. For a science fiction series that routinely violates natural laws as we know them?
The fights even were consistent with earlier fights against the Borg plus the Romulans had a one shot/one kill weapon with their plasma torpedoes. The long, drawn out battles were one ship against another. In a huge fleet action, each commander will tend to concentrate all fire on one ship at at time to overwhelm and destroy it ASAP.
I played tons of Star Fleet Battles (paper and dice) fleet actions when I was in high school and it was common for one ship to go quickly - concentration of firepower.
I'm actually not that into Star Trek. I like the old series (in reruns) when i was a kid and have watched all the newer series at least for a couple of episodes, but I don't make any effort to see them.
Michael
I can't believe you tossed in "believability" as a comment. For a science fiction series that routinely violates natural laws as we know them?
The fights even were consistent with earlier fights against the Borg plus the Romulans had a one shot/one kill weapon with their plasma torpedoes. The long, drawn out battles were one ship against another. In a huge fleet action, each commander will tend to concentrate all fire on one ship at at time to overwhelm and destroy it ASAP.
I played tons of Star Fleet Battles (paper and dice) fleet actions when I was in high school and it was common for one ship to go quickly - concentration of firepower.
I'm actually not that into Star Trek. I like the old series (in reruns) when i was a kid and have watched all the newer series at least for a couple of episodes, but I don't make any effort to see them.
Michael
Personally, I get so sick of people saying "Voyager sux, the old series is the only good one, or DS9 sux...or TNG sux.."
Each series was written for a different audience. They are all equally good and each demonstrates a different view of the federation. I personally have enjoyed each and every series although I dont watch much ds9 any more... I can't wait to see what they come up with next..
And personally, bablyone 5 blew star trek away..
And actually, if I "HAD" to say something bad about one of the shows, I would say that TNG was probably the worst of the bunch. At least with voayager and DS9 there were plots that followed through season to season and kept coming back.. TNG was just episode to episode.. very few instances of a continual plot...
Juts my thoughts tho..
Each series was written for a different audience. They are all equally good and each demonstrates a different view of the federation. I personally have enjoyed each and every series although I dont watch much ds9 any more... I can't wait to see what they come up with next..
And personally, bablyone 5 blew star trek away..
And actually, if I "HAD" to say something bad about one of the shows, I would say that TNG was probably the worst of the bunch. At least with voayager and DS9 there were plots that followed through season to season and kept coming back.. TNG was just episode to episode.. very few instances of a continual plot...
Juts my thoughts tho..
thebestMAX
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I want a series about the "Ferrengi"
Could be the comedy hit of the season.
Imagine:
The Millionaire - 233 rd rule of aquisition
Will and Grace - 69th rule of aquisition.
Survivior - 1st rule
and so on.
Could be the comedy hit of the season.
Imagine:
The Millionaire - 233 rd rule of aquisition
Will and Grace - 69th rule of aquisition.
Survivior - 1st rule
and so on.
a Trekkie freak i know says he learned from conventions that they have been toying around with this idea for quite some time:
A series about a bunch of college age kids, all in Star Fleet Academy, in thier 3rd year of school, past the boring lectures and on into some real training, a lot of writers freedom here, IMO, then after the first season they all apply for thier senior "Internships" or Apprenticeship, whatever you want to call it, and it just goes from there, the series is supposed to be called "Star Fleet Academy" sounds good to me, id definetly give it a shot.
A series about a bunch of college age kids, all in Star Fleet Academy, in thier 3rd year of school, past the boring lectures and on into some real training, a lot of writers freedom here, IMO, then after the first season they all apply for thier senior "Internships" or Apprenticeship, whatever you want to call it, and it just goes from there, the series is supposed to be called "Star Fleet Academy" sounds good to me, id definetly give it a shot.
Michael,
If you've played SFB then you realize boths sides were deploying reinforcement to their forward shielding, probably using ECM to its fullest extent and perhaps using erratic maneuvering in an effort to aborb damage. If two fleets of heavy battlecruisers engaged simultaneously under these conditions you would not see 50% of each side drop within seconds. Minutes perhaps but not seconds.
Concentrated fire was probably not a factor because there were far too many ships all having limited firing arcs.
You don't like me bringing up "believability"? Then why do you bring up WW 2? This ain't WW 2. Besides, "believability" differs from "authenticity" -- I'm not at all saying that fight was authentic, just not very believable (ie. not true to the Trek universe).
Anyway, point is that battle was bogus and things blew up quick just to appease the teens with special fx.
OK now that I've proven I'm a total nerd can I go home now??
If you've played SFB then you realize boths sides were deploying reinforcement to their forward shielding, probably using ECM to its fullest extent and perhaps using erratic maneuvering in an effort to aborb damage. If two fleets of heavy battlecruisers engaged simultaneously under these conditions you would not see 50% of each side drop within seconds. Minutes perhaps but not seconds.
Concentrated fire was probably not a factor because there were far too many ships all having limited firing arcs.
You don't like me bringing up "believability"? Then why do you bring up WW 2? This ain't WW 2.
Besides, "believability" differs from "authenticity" -- I'm not at all saying that fight was authentic, just not very believable (ie. not true to the Trek universe).Anyway, point is that battle was bogus and things blew up quick just to appease the teens with special fx.
OK now that I've proven I'm a total nerd can I go home now??
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