Gamingphreek
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blckgrffn
Diamond Member
Give it up Kevin, it is obviously a waste of your time to keep posting here. I would expect that a diamond member like yourself could be helpfully posting elsewhere.
They aren't going to change what they are doing, and it is obvious that you have never really played the RMA game that these guys are getting into. Western Digital and Epox did it to me, and I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't the same scenario here. After you RMA once, you are now the lucky recepient of another RMAed piece of shit. Continue doing this until purple in the face and talking to a manager. Hell, WD called me and apologized and told me to keep the Raptor I had. Which was pretty nice of them considering it was a made in the US engineering sample that, according to anandtech and how fast it performed, had its cache disabled. That was the fourth hard drive, the other two were remanufactured and labled as such, so my 5 year warranty was dropped to 3 months, and they whined over all my other PCs. That can happen. Epox - three socket 939 mobos - the first didn't shut down correctly and had a horrible NIC (well documented problem, by the way) the second had the PREVIOUS OWNERS RMA SLIP IN THE BOX. I was pretty hot, and they shipped me a new board pronto that I just sold to some kid who wanted 939 and didn't care the nic was quirky, but at least that one shut down without hanging....
lol, and for what is worth I am currently typing this on my newest comp, a 400 mhz G4 with OS 10.3 and letting my 3400 socket 754 gaming box, my 3000+ AXP workhorse, and my 2800+ AXP media box rest for a bit. I worked the college IT department rebuilding PCs for two years and earned my A+ in December, with just about 10 hours of studying a good book. RMA'ing is horrible, and I always get a terrible feeling in my stomach when my first part doesn't work and I have to deal with anyone but NewEgg - although I have had at least on bad experience there. On a return, they credited some other random persons VISA card, and that took over a month to fix...
Good luck you two, and in the future, buy from NewEgg and RMA there, at least if you don't want to play the piece of sh*t shuffle....
Later,
Nat
edit to fix stupid mistakes...
They aren't going to change what they are doing, and it is obvious that you have never really played the RMA game that these guys are getting into. Western Digital and Epox did it to me, and I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't the same scenario here. After you RMA once, you are now the lucky recepient of another RMAed piece of shit. Continue doing this until purple in the face and talking to a manager. Hell, WD called me and apologized and told me to keep the Raptor I had. Which was pretty nice of them considering it was a made in the US engineering sample that, according to anandtech and how fast it performed, had its cache disabled. That was the fourth hard drive, the other two were remanufactured and labled as such, so my 5 year warranty was dropped to 3 months, and they whined over all my other PCs. That can happen. Epox - three socket 939 mobos - the first didn't shut down correctly and had a horrible NIC (well documented problem, by the way) the second had the PREVIOUS OWNERS RMA SLIP IN THE BOX. I was pretty hot, and they shipped me a new board pronto that I just sold to some kid who wanted 939 and didn't care the nic was quirky, but at least that one shut down without hanging....
lol, and for what is worth I am currently typing this on my newest comp, a 400 mhz G4 with OS 10.3 and letting my 3400 socket 754 gaming box, my 3000+ AXP workhorse, and my 2800+ AXP media box rest for a bit. I worked the college IT department rebuilding PCs for two years and earned my A+ in December, with just about 10 hours of studying a good book. RMA'ing is horrible, and I always get a terrible feeling in my stomach when my first part doesn't work and I have to deal with anyone but NewEgg - although I have had at least on bad experience there. On a return, they credited some other random persons VISA card, and that took over a month to fix...
Good luck you two, and in the future, buy from NewEgg and RMA there, at least if you don't want to play the piece of sh*t shuffle....
Later,
Nat
edit to fix stupid mistakes...
blckgrffn
Diamond Member
Give it up Kevin, it is obviously a waste of your time to keep posting here. I would expect that a diamond member like yourself could be helpfully posting elsewhere.
They aren't going to change what they are doing, and it is obvious that you have never really played the RMA game that these guys are getting into. Western Digital and Epox did it to me, and I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't the same scenario here. After you RMA once, you are now the lucky recepient of another RMAed piece of shit. Continue doing this until purple in the face and talking to a manager. Hell, WD called me and apologized and told me to keep the Raptor I had. Which was pretty nice of them considering it was a made in the US engineering sample that, according to anandtech and how fast it performed, had its cache disabled. That was the fourth hard drive, the other two were remanufactured and labled as such, so my 5 year warranty was dropped to 3 months, and they whined over all my other PCs. That can happen. Epox - three socket 939 mobos - the first didn't shut down correctly and had a horrible NIC (well documented problem, by the way) the second had the PREVIOUS OWNERS RMA SLIP IN THE BOX. I was pretty hot, and they shipped me a new board pronto that I just sold to some kid who wanted 939 and didn't care the nic was quirky, but at least that one shut down without hanging....
lol, and for what is worth I am currently typing this on my newest comp, a 400 mhz G4 with OS 10.3 and letting my 3400 socket 754 gaming box, my 3000+ AXP workhorse, and my 2800+ AXP rest for a bit. I worked the college IT department rebuilding PCs for two years and earned my A+ in December, with just about 10 hours of studying a good book. RMA'ing is horrible, and I always get a terrible feeling in my stomach when my first part doesn't work and I have to deal with anyone but NewEgg - although I have had at least on bad experience there. On a return, they credited some other random persons VISA card, and that took over a month to fix...
Good luck you too, and in the future, buy from NewEgg and RMA there, at least if you don't want to play the piece of sh*t shuffle....
Later,
Nat
They aren't going to change what they are doing, and it is obvious that you have never really played the RMA game that these guys are getting into. Western Digital and Epox did it to me, and I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't the same scenario here. After you RMA once, you are now the lucky recepient of another RMAed piece of shit. Continue doing this until purple in the face and talking to a manager. Hell, WD called me and apologized and told me to keep the Raptor I had. Which was pretty nice of them considering it was a made in the US engineering sample that, according to anandtech and how fast it performed, had its cache disabled. That was the fourth hard drive, the other two were remanufactured and labled as such, so my 5 year warranty was dropped to 3 months, and they whined over all my other PCs. That can happen. Epox - three socket 939 mobos - the first didn't shut down correctly and had a horrible NIC (well documented problem, by the way) the second had the PREVIOUS OWNERS RMA SLIP IN THE BOX. I was pretty hot, and they shipped me a new board pronto that I just sold to some kid who wanted 939 and didn't care the nic was quirky, but at least that one shut down without hanging....
lol, and for what is worth I am currently typing this on my newest comp, a 400 mhz G4 with OS 10.3 and letting my 3400 socket 754 gaming box, my 3000+ AXP workhorse, and my 2800+ AXP rest for a bit. I worked the college IT department rebuilding PCs for two years and earned my A+ in December, with just about 10 hours of studying a good book. RMA'ing is horrible, and I always get a terrible feeling in my stomach when my first part doesn't work and I have to deal with anyone but NewEgg - although I have had at least on bad experience there. On a return, they credited some other random persons VISA card, and that took over a month to fix...
Good luck you too, and in the future, buy from NewEgg and RMA there, at least if you don't want to play the piece of sh*t shuffle....
Later,
Nat
blckgrffn
Diamond Member
Sorry about the double post, we are having a lot of DNS issues here on campus... I hit refresh and Safari reposted the data. Cool eh? One more reason to live off campus...
AnitaPeterson
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- Apr 24, 2001
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I had the same problem with Maxtor HDs... I had one die on me after four months, then Maxtor sent me FOUR replacements, since the drives kept dying... for the last one, the person I spoke with on the phone explained I should ask for a new drive specifically, since all I was getting as RMA replacements were REFURBISHED drives which were sent out as OEM... and of course, the new drive was good.
You guys give me a little hope. I'm going to try contacting LeadTek in the morning themselves and asking for a new replacement card. I still haven't gotten anything back from buyxg.
VirtualLarry
No Lifer
- Aug 25, 2001
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Oh, that's what the personal pics thing was about, I kind of missed the reason that "Bob" kept going on about that. I couldn't understand why someone was going to post (useless) pics of themselves, instead of the dang card's GPU!
VirtualLarry
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That's actually standard practice in the industry, and MAxtor and WD both describe in their warranty stuff that you will get a refurb/"recertified" HD back from an RMA. What shouldn't (theoretically) happen, is the RMA-return drives continually going bad on you, but I have no doubt that it's possible.
That the other problem with these cards:
1) They are expensive, in many cases too expensive to just junk by the mfg/branded-vendor after an RMA
2) They are in demand, which means that some customers may not mind getting a "used" card. (assuming that it was advertised that way)
3) There are probably a large number of cards that were returned to the seller, purely because they didn't overclock as well as some other joe's card did. This is dangerous, because it means that:
3a) vendors will be more likely to just POST-test the card, and send them back out again to (different) customers. This may cause:
3b) re-circulation of previously-owned bad cards. Eventually:
4) All "bad" cards end up on eBay... which is where tony bought his, knowingly or un-knowingly about its past and/or future troubles. The Wheel O Karma goes round and round...
But as far as defending tony, I wasn't specifically, I just wanted the "accused" to get a "fair trial". Of course, after recent revelations, it seems that the "verdict" would have been the same regardless.
Maybe their local UPS depot is especially vicious with their packages. I'm being serious.
(Actually, two people just bought Leadtek 6800s at Ars, and both were defective. I think another Arsian received a defective 6600GT, too. It's a conspiracy!)
gsellis
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I, for one, have had to get three LAN cards in as the first two were defective. Similar experience with a test drive. All direct from the mfgr. Of course, they were new products just out of pre-production.
I loved the time we got about 50 Token-Ring cards with the same MAC address (no really! the provisioning processor got stuck in the mfrging line and wrote the same MAC on a whole line of cards). After we figured that one out, we sent them back. About two years later, same problem shows up. The NEW warehouse manager found this pallet of LAN cards with our name on them... and sent them for one of orders.
I loved the time we got about 50 Token-Ring cards with the same MAC address (no really! the provisioning processor got stuck in the mfrging line and wrote the same MAC on a whole line of cards). After we figured that one out, we sent them back. About two years later, same problem shows up. The NEW warehouse manager found this pallet of LAN cards with our name on them... and sent them for one of orders.
newParadigm
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Didn't Nvidia release some of the 6800 series using NV41 chips? I am not sure about which ones used the NV41, but that is what I heard.
Could you have gotten NV40's and NV41's ? Would this explain your differences?
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I work in the warranty business. Not in warranty service, but in the warranty underwriting business. I understand how warranty works and also understand how the normal consumer interprets a manufacturer's warranty.
1) A warranty, unless documented otherwise, is valid only for the original purchaser. Second hand products purchased from end-users (*unless the warranty is transferrable) generally do not have warranty of any kind through the manufacturer.
2) A warranty is only valid when the product is purchased through an authorized reseller of the product. If the product is purchased from a "gray-market" reseller, warranty through the manufacturer is generally invalid.
3) Physically modifying a product in any way (*unless the manufacturer instructs you to do so and provides documentation authorizing you to do so) will invalidate a warranty.
4) Operating a product out of specification (*unless a manufacturer instructs you to do so and provides documentation authorizing you to do so) will invalidate a warranty.
Gentle
Could you have gotten NV40's and NV41's ? Would this explain your differences?
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I work in the warranty business. Not in warranty service, but in the warranty underwriting business. I understand how warranty works and also understand how the normal consumer interprets a manufacturer's warranty.
1) A warranty, unless documented otherwise, is valid only for the original purchaser. Second hand products purchased from end-users (*unless the warranty is transferrable) generally do not have warranty of any kind through the manufacturer.
2) A warranty is only valid when the product is purchased through an authorized reseller of the product. If the product is purchased from a "gray-market" reseller, warranty through the manufacturer is generally invalid.
3) Physically modifying a product in any way (*unless the manufacturer instructs you to do so and provides documentation authorizing you to do so) will invalidate a warranty.
4) Operating a product out of specification (*unless a manufacturer instructs you to do so and provides documentation authorizing you to do so) will invalidate a warranty.
Gentle
No, its not an NV41, as I used RivaTuner, SiSoft Sandra 2005, and Everest Home, and they all said that I have an NV40, not an NV41 (Everest actually says that it is an NV40GT). Also, I believe (though I am not certain) that NV41 was the PCI-E version of the NV40 anyway.
Unfortunately, as I said, the other card that I had was already sent back to XFX, so I can't do any testing with that. However, I do want to try this testing with BobDaMenkey's Leadtek card when he gets it back\working. However, the way this thread has been going, I don't think any of you people will give a damn because:
1.) We have different setups. His is an Athlon XP 3000+\nForce2 Ultra 400, and mine is an Athlon 64 3200+\nForce3 Ultra.
2.) They are entirely different brands of cards, which in my opinion, doesn't matter, but you guys seem to like to b*tch about everything, so I'm sure you will about that too.
I ran the Terminator 2 1080p, the Step into Liquid 1080p, and the Dolphins 1080p trailers, and they all reported pretty much the same CPU usage, between 60-65%. The GPU itself warmed up 51c idle to 62c after running through 3 loops of each demo.
A+ @ 17?! Good job! However I recommend that you review your A+ book about ESD precautions. YOU are frying your boards. There is no way in he|| that you have gotten 4+ different faulty/dead video cards unless you purchased them all from the same place around the same time. You have got to be killing your cards during the installs. Are you bothering to unplug your PS from the mobo before seating the cards? I REALLY think you have been introducing some static into their boards and that is causing them to become flakey after a little use.... Maybe you should have "Bob" install the next card for you...or maybe even a monkey...they would have to have better luck with it than you.
Wish I had some news about gpu revisions but I haven't heard anything about them changing the chip. So sad to see all this flaming...but frommany of the comments made it certainly seems warranted.
NO, I AM NOT FRYING MY VIDEO CARDS!!! I did unplug the power supply and let the computer sit for 15 seconds (as recommended in my A+ book) to let any excess electricity out. Also, you are supposed to push the power button with the computer unplugged, so as to ensure that there is no electricity still in the power supply. I shall, below, go over proper grounding technique:
1.) turn off the computer
2.) with the power cable still plugged into the power supply, touch the power supply casing
3.) you are now grounded.
4.) OPTIONAL: use a grounding bracelet if working on a computer for extended periods of time.
Next, I will go over the proper place to work on computers:
1.) NEVER, EVER EVER work on computers in a carpeted room, as it can introduce static electricity.
2.) don't wear socks unless you are using rubber soled shoes
See, it is really that simple.
Don't insult my intelligence, especially since you weren't actually there when I was installing these cards in the first place. As others have said, sometimes when RMAing cards, the company simply circulates the cards between owners, and this is what I fear has happened to me.
And myself as I am in possesion of my second dead card. I cannot get www.buyxg.com to respond to any attempts I make to contact them (phone or email) so I'm going to be speaking to Leadtek this afternoon(my job has prevented it otherwise the past few days).
I'm not opposed to any sort of tests, so long as they don't involve overclocking. Tony, want to buy me lunch?
I'm not opposed to any sort of tests, so long as they don't involve overclocking. Tony, want to buy me lunch?
VirtualLarry
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- Aug 25, 2001
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Just happened to read this closer, and all I have to say is:
WELL NO SH*T SHERLOCK!!! Of course I am getting the cards from the same place, they're from the same company! All of the cards had similar warranty dates (which, from what I can gather, is the date at which the warranty takes effect; i.e. the manufacturing date) Personally, I think that was a pointless statement, but hey...
I dont know, cant be bothered to read through the thread again, but i think it was mentioned in another forum.
When you send your card back to have an rma. The return policy is usually that you get a repaired or another returned card back, but not a *new* card.
Maybe thats why you had 3 or 4 dead cards...
Check your return policy and see what is says.
When you send your card back to have an rma. The return policy is usually that you get a repaired or another returned card back, but not a *new* card.
Maybe thats why you had 3 or 4 dead cards...
Check your return policy and see what is says.
Yeah, I know that's what it says, and this last time that I got an RMA, I did request a new card, because I was so fed up, and I got it. All of the previous cards were noticably used, and this is likely the reason that I kept getting bunk cards. Needless to say, if I do another RMA with any company about anything, I am going to request a new product. Also, the card I have now works beautifully at the "stock" speeds of 374 (or 375, however you want to look at it)\535.
Well, I finally found the reason for the weird OC. It turns out that my nForce3 Ultra based K8N Neo2 Platinum mobo is the sole culprit. There is a setting in the "Cell Menu" that says " Aggressive Timing". The manual states that this improves the timing for the memory, to improve system performance. This was automatically enabled when I put everything together, and maybe its Monarch Computer's fault for doing it since they "optimized" my my mobo when I ordered it (they test, install and configure the mobo and CPU when you order a combo with a heatsink from them). Now that I know this, I will definitely leave this setting turned off, and therefore have my 6800GT run at default 350\500. I would really like to know how NVIDIA manages to pull this one off...
Here's to all you A$$HOLES that flamed me (AHEM... Rollo) about overclocking my card and then trying to pull one over on XFX... SUCK ON A MONKEY'S NUT B*TCHES. I deserve an apology from you guys, and although I highly doubt that I will get one, I deserve one nonetheless. Now that I know, and I let it be known, for sure that I was not the culprit trying to "get the perfect 3DMark" I am at ease, and now maybe I will start another thread to try and get to the bottom of the different looking GPU cores that was the original purpose of this thread, and maybe no flaming...
Here's to all you A$$HOLES that flamed me (AHEM... Rollo) about overclocking my card and then trying to pull one over on XFX... SUCK ON A MONKEY'S NUT B*TCHES. I deserve an apology from you guys, and although I highly doubt that I will get one, I deserve one nonetheless. Now that I know, and I let it be known, for sure that I was not the culprit trying to "get the perfect 3DMark" I am at ease, and now maybe I will start another thread to try and get to the bottom of the different looking GPU cores that was the original purpose of this thread, and maybe no flaming...
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