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New rifles give Army snipers in Afghanistan needed range

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The Army is shipping powerful new rifles to its snipers in Afghanistan to kill insurgents who are firing from greater distances and shooting at troops more frequently than in the early years of the war.
The XM2010 sniper rifle can hit a target 3,937 feet away, which is a quarter-mile farther than the current Army sniper rifle shoots.
The added distance is important because insurgents have been shooting down from ridges and mountaintops where gravity helps their bullets travel farther and beyond the range of Army snipers.


"They're not outgunning us, but they are putting our soldiers in a predicament where 800 meters (2,625 feet) may not be enough," said Col. Douglas Tamilio, referring to the maximum range of the current M24 sniper rifle.
"Because of the expanse, you can see so far and you can engage so far," Tamilio said. "You want to give guys the capability to do those things they need to do at those ranges."
Afghan insurgents appear more willing to shoot at U.S. troops than in the past, according to Pentagon data. Gunfire attacks on U.S. troops in Afghanistan have spiked over the past year and in July 2009 topped 1,000 for the first time in the war. That mark has been topped several times since.
Afghanistan is full of craggy mountains, broad valleys and desert where insurgents can hide and shoot from long distances.
"There's an enormous amount of terrain there that favors snipers," said John Pike, a military analyst and director of Globalsecurity.org, a website dealing with defense matters.
The Army's 2,500 snipers are to start receiving the XM2010 early next year, said Tamilio, who manages weapons programs for the Army. The M24 has been in service since 1988.


http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2010-12-09-sniper09_ST_N.htm?csp=hf
 
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gravity helps their bullets travel farther??? wtf... ELEVATION, not gravity.


nice looking rifle.
 
Interesting... looks like their round will put a 220 gr bullet out at a little bit higher velocity than the 174 gr bullet in the 7.62 rounds. I wonder if they'll redesignate the .300 Win Mag a "7.62x65" or whatever
 
gravity helps their bullets travel farther??? wtf... ELEVATION, not gravity.


nice looking rifle.

Well, wouldn't gravity also assist in speeding up the bullet if it was fired at a downward trajectory? Even after accounting for the altitude drop, the additional speed would help them stay accurate for longer distances. Or am I way off base here?
 
gravity helps their bullets travel farther??? wtf... ELEVATION, not gravity.


nice looking rifle.

Read it as gravity helps their bullets travel further than ours since it works against us. But yes, it should have just said they're higher and so it lets them expand the range of their weapons.
 
Well, wouldn't gravity also assist in speeding up the bullet if it was fired at a downward trajectory? Even after accounting for the altitude drop, the additional speed would help them stay accurate for longer distances. Or am I way off base here?

If you neglected air resistance, then the speed of the bullet relative to a bystander would increase due to the acceleration due to gravity (Potential Energy changing into Kinetic Energy), but the horizontal component of that speed would always remain the same, so it wouldn't travel any farther. Gravity only causes a change in the vertical component of the velocity.
 
Hmmm - I wondered why the decided to go with the 300 WM over the .338 Lapua Magnum round.

I think they've been using the 300 in matches and such for a while and were supposed to switch to it a while ago, but never did. I think I'd rather go ahead and move up the 338 too, though. That's an awesome round. But they didn't ask me. 😛
 
Well, wouldn't gravity also assist in speeding up the bullet if it was fired at a downward trajectory? Even after accounting for the altitude drop, the additional speed would help them stay accurate for longer distances. Or am I way off base here?

you failed physics didn't you.
 
I think they've been using the 300 in matches and such for a while and were supposed to switch to it a while ago, but never did. I think I'd rather go ahead and move up the 338 too, though. That's an awesome round. But they didn't ask me. 😛

$$$. Although that was my first though too. I think the 50 BMG kind of makes the .338 Lapua redundant though, since that fulfills the hyper long range category. The .300 Win Mag is a pretty easy cartridge to handle, whereas the .338 Lapua is quite a beast.

Magazine capacity and storage would be easier with the .300 Win mag too. I really think it must have to do with cost...

It seems like they are planning to upgrade a lot of the existing rifles with a total conversion kit, and I don't think they would've been able to do that with .338

Also I was looking through the wiki page on this rifle and they mention muzzle flash and noise suppression pretty heavily. It seems like it was important to them to keep that as similar as possible to the 7.62, and those aren't exactly great characteristics of the 338 IIRC
 
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hmm i am pretty sure my .416 has a range of 4000 feet. I dont know why they wouldnt have them. I would have bought a .50 but they are illegal here.. turns out the 416 has better range.
 
dont you have to take it to graduate from HS?

No, in the US I don't think there's many courses that are absolutely required to graduate, my school had no physics class, hell we didn't even have anything above pre Algebra for math.
 
The size of the bullet also affects the resitance and amount of powder required to propell the round. From firing army rifles in the first 50 yards the rounds rise in elevation due to the speed of the round. A 300 winmag is a really large round. The .50 Cal rounds use to be Teflon Coated for penetration. The .50 cal is considered an offensive weapon. Often they make a .50 calliber illegal so they just go to something like a .499 caliber.
 
The existing M24 rifles are based on long action Remington 700 actions but barreled and chambered for 7.62x51 NATO cartridges. The military had planned to at some point rechamber them in .300 win mag, hence the long action originally chosen.

This sniper system looks to literally just be a stock and barrel swap on existing actions to switch over to the .300 win mag. They're not going to drop a bunch of new money into entirely new actions for .338/.408/.416/etc.
 
The XM2010 sniper rifle can hit a target 3,937 feet away, which is a quarter-mile farther than the current Army sniper rifle shoots.
The added distance is important because insurgents have been shooting down from ridges and mountaintops where gravity helps their bullets travel farther and beyond the range of Army snipers.

i'm not saying the .300 winchester magnum won't shoot further than a .308, but... what kind of ridiculousness is this statement?

a .308 can shoot 1300 yards no problem. a .300 win mag can shoot further.
 
Large rounds like the .50 BMG can get pushed by the wind quite a bit when it approaches its Max range.
The 300 is a compelling round since its cartridge can hold a lot of kick without the bullet itself being abnormally large.
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The existing M24 rifles are based on long action Remington 700 actions but barreled and chambered for 7.62x51 NATO cartridges. The military had planned to at some point rechamber them in .300 win mag, hence the long action originally chosen.

This sniper system looks to literally just be a stock and barrel swap on existing actions to switch over to the .300 win mag. They're not going to drop a bunch of new money into entirely new actions for .338/.408/.416/etc.

Wow, I didn't realize the .308 was that far behind the others in power.
 
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