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New Poll Shows Americans Are Still Ignorant About Iraq

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Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: Gaard
"I just do."

That's the answer I got when I asked someone at work why they think SH was involved in 9/11.

I still wonder why this administration doesn't straighten people out on this subject. Afterall, surely they don't want people believing in this misperception, do they?
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reminds me of the dumb animals in animal farm.
GEORGE BUSH IS ALWAYS RIGHT!
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Or "BUSH IS ALWAYS WRONG AND HE BRAINWASHED THE MASSES!"

The dumb animals can take either extreme.
 
TastesLikeChicken,
do you think its ok that so many people in your country are not concerned with the facts of this matter?
 
Originally posted by: ntdz
Is there any proof that Saddam WASN'T involved in 9/11? If not, I think it's reasonable to assume one of our bitter enemies might've been involved.
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Is there any proof that George W Bush isn't a sh!t*eating cockroach from outerspace? DO YOU GET THAT?

(didn't we go thru this before?)

 
47 percent believe that Saddam Hussein helped plan and support the
hijackers who attacked the U.S. on September 11, 2001 (up six
percentage points from November).
-- 44 percent actually believe that several of the hijackers who attacked
the U.S. on September 11 were Iraqis (up significantly from 37% in
November).
-- 36 percent believe that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction when the
U.S. invaded (down slightly from 38% in November).
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this is so sad
 
Originally posted by: Czar
TastesLikeChicken,
do you think its ok that so many people in your country are not concerned with the facts of this matter?
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Those who are not concerned with the facts of the matter are counter-balanced by those who seem to be overly-concerned with nothing else but those facts and have adopted the broken record routine.

As to the question, they always seem to ask it the same idiotic way - "Do you believe..."

They are not asking - "Do you know..."

People are saying what they believe, not what they know, and that's why the percentage is so high. If they'd phrase the question differently they might well get a completely different response.
 
People are saying what they believe, not what they know, and that's why the percentage is so high. If they'd phrase the question differently they might well get a completely different response.
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agreed......
 
Originally posted by: ntdz
Is there any proof that Saddam WASN'T involved in 9/11? If not, I think it's reasonable to assume one of our bitter enemies might've been involved.
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congratulations on making an ass of yourself.
 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Czar
TastesLikeChicken,
do you think its ok that so many people in your country are not concerned with the facts of this matter?
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Those who are not concerned with the facts of the matter are counter-balanced by those who seem to be overly-concerned with nothing else but those facts and have adopted the broken record routine.

As to the question, they always seem to ask it the same idiotic way - "Do you believe..."

They are not asking - "Do you know..."

People are saying what they believe, not what they know, and that's why the percentage is so high. If they'd phrase the question differently they might well get a completely different response.
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the point is that more people believe factually false or unsubstanciated claims than before.
 
not arguing with the OP, but a swing of one to three percent means nothing in poll. margin of errors are often listed as 4 to 5%.

that being said yeah i think it's dumb to have believed Saddam had anything to do with 9/11. if that's the case then why not say that Stalin had something to do with Pearl Harbor?
 
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Czar
TastesLikeChicken,
do you think its ok that so many people in your country are not concerned with the facts of this matter?
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Those who are not concerned with the facts of the matter are counter-balanced by those who seem to be overly-concerned with nothing else but those facts and have adopted the broken record routine.

As to the question, they always seem to ask it the same idiotic way - "Do you believe..."

They are not asking - "Do you know..."

People are saying what they believe, not what they know, and that's why the percentage is so high. If they'd phrase the question differently they might well get a completely different response.
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the point is that more people believe factually false or unsubstanciated claims than before.
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Not really. All it proves is how consistently inconsistent representative sampling can be. Were the same people polled every time or was it differening random representative samples? I would have to think it would be the latter.

 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Czar
TastesLikeChicken,
do you think its ok that so many people in your country are not concerned with the facts of this matter?
Click to expand...
Those who are not concerned with the facts of the matter are counter-balanced by those who seem to be overly-concerned with nothing else but those facts and have adopted the broken record routine.

As to the question, they always seem to ask it the same idiotic way - "Do you believe..."

They are not asking - "Do you know..."

People are saying what they believe, not what they know, and that's why the percentage is so high. If they'd phrase the question differently they might well get a completely different response.
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the point is that more people believe factually false or unsubstanciated claims than before.
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Not really. All it proves is how consistently inconsistent representative sampling can be. Were the same people polled every time or was it differening random representative samples? I would have to think it would be the latter.
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Don't be ridiculous. If the sampling is representative it doesn't matter if the same people were polled or not. Americans still believe Saddam was behind 9/11 and had ties to al Qaeda when neither conclusion is supported by the facts.

 
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Czar
TastesLikeChicken,
do you think its ok that so many people in your country are not concerned with the facts of this matter?
Click to expand...
Those who are not concerned with the facts of the matter are counter-balanced by those who seem to be overly-concerned with nothing else but those facts and have adopted the broken record routine.

As to the question, they always seem to ask it the same idiotic way - "Do you believe..."

They are not asking - "Do you know..."

People are saying what they believe, not what they know, and that's why the percentage is so high. If they'd phrase the question differently they might well get a completely different response.
Click to expand...
the point is that more people believe factually false or unsubstanciated claims than before.
Click to expand...
Not really. All it proves is how consistently inconsistent representative sampling can be. Were the same people polled every time or was it differening random representative samples? I would have to think it would be the latter.
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Don't be ridiculous. If the sampling is representative it doesn't matter if the same people were polled or not. Americans still believe Saddam was behind 9/11 and had ties to al Qaeda when neither conclusion is supported by the facts.
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Please pay attention. We've already been over that. The question was not asked as to what these people knew as a fact. What was asked was what they believe. That form of questioning goes to instinct and gut feelings, not facts.


 
of course americans are ignorant, how else did they end up the number target of every terrorist in the world?
 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Czar
TastesLikeChicken,
do you think its ok that so many people in your country are not concerned with the facts of this matter?
Click to expand...
Those who are not concerned with the facts of the matter are counter-balanced by those who seem to be overly-concerned with nothing else but those facts and have adopted the broken record routine.

As to the question, they always seem to ask it the same idiotic way - "Do you believe..."

They are not asking - "Do you know..."

People are saying what they believe, not what they know, and that's why the percentage is so high. If they'd phrase the question differently they might well get a completely different response.
Click to expand...
the point is that more people believe factually false or unsubstanciated claims than before.
Click to expand...
Not really. All it proves is how consistently inconsistent representative sampling can be. Were the same people polled every time or was it differening random representative samples? I would have to think it would be the latter.
Click to expand...

Don't be ridiculous. If the sampling is representative it doesn't matter if the same people were polled or not. Americans still believe Saddam was behind 9/11 and had ties to al Qaeda when neither conclusion is supported by the facts.
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Please pay attention. We've already been over that. The question was not asked as to what these people knew as a fact. What was asked was what they believe. That form of questioning goes to instinct and gut feelings, not facts.
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What a weasel.

 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Czar
TastesLikeChicken,
do you think its ok that so many people in your country are not concerned with the facts of this matter?
Click to expand...
Those who are not concerned with the facts of the matter are counter-balanced by those who seem to be overly-concerned with nothing else but those facts and have adopted the broken record routine.

As to the question, they always seem to ask it the same idiotic way - "Do you believe..."

They are not asking - "Do you know..."

People are saying what they believe, not what they know, and that's why the percentage is so high. If they'd phrase the question differently they might well get a completely different response.
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so, reality to those so many people is controled by believe it to be and not what it really is, information that is available everywhere, is that worrying to you?
 
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: ntdz
Is there any proof that Saddam WASN'T involved in 9/11? If not, I think it's reasonable to assume one of our bitter enemies might've been involved.
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congratulations on making an ass of yourself.
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I don't hold that opinion, but I could see how someone else would...I should've clarified that in the original post.
 
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Czar
TastesLikeChicken,
do you think its ok that so many people in your country are not concerned with the facts of this matter?
Click to expand...
Those who are not concerned with the facts of the matter are counter-balanced by those who seem to be overly-concerned with nothing else but those facts and have adopted the broken record routine.

As to the question, they always seem to ask it the same idiotic way - "Do you believe..."

They are not asking - "Do you know..."

People are saying what they believe, not what they know, and that's why the percentage is so high. If they'd phrase the question differently they might well get a completely different response.
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so, reality to those so many people is controled by believe it to be and not what it really is, information that is available everywhere, is that worrying to you?
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Is this really such a difficult concept to grasp for people?

Is everything you believe a fact?

A lot of people in this forum seem to believe Bush is a chimp. Pssst. It's a fact he is not. Does that keep them from their belief? Obviously not.

Belief is about faith, not knowledge.

And BBond, there is no weasel involved. The only weasels are those who would refuse to acknowledge the truth of what I'm stating so they can keep a firm grip on their PIPA study. More likely they have a firm grip on something else instead and are pumping it furiously, it seems.

At least, that's what I believe.

:laugh:
 
Originally posted by: Czar
would you find it ok if 40-50% of americans belived the earth was flat?
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What's this "Would you believe it's OK" crap? I'm not condoning it. I'm explaining the simple concept of belief to those that are seemingly clueless on the matter of differnece between belief and factual knowledge.

People do still believe the Earth is flat besides all the facts. People still don;t believe we landed on the moon. People have fvcked up beliefs that don't rely on facts. Learn to deal with that fact because it IS a fact and is NOT just something I believe.

 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Czar
would you find it ok if 40-50% of americans belived the earth was flat?
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What's this "Would you believe it's OK" crap? I'm not condoning it. I'm explaining the simple concept of belief to those that are seemingly clueless on the matter of differnece between belief and factual knowledge.

People do still believe the Earth is flat besides all the facts. People still don;t believe we landed on the moon. People have fvcked up beliefs that don't rely on facts. Learn to deal with that fact because it IS a fact and is NOT just something I believe.
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but 40-50% belive something that has no facts to support it, dont you think that something in the education process failed?
 
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Czar
would you find it ok if 40-50% of americans belived the earth was flat?
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What's this "Would you believe it's OK" crap? I'm not condoning it. I'm explaining the simple concept of belief to those that are seemingly clueless on the matter of differnece between belief and factual knowledge.

People do still believe the Earth is flat besides all the facts. People still don;t believe we landed on the moon. People have fvcked up beliefs that don't rely on facts. Learn to deal with that fact because it IS a fact and is NOT just something I believe.
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but 40-50% belive something that has no facts to support it, dont you think that something in the education process failed?
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You've asked enough questions. Time to answer one.

To you, is belief the same as factual knowledge?
 
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