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MotF Bane

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Kia. The new Forte looks rather interesting, but... it's a Kia. They need a few more years to mature, to prove their cars aren't as disposable as soda cans, and they're already overpriced anyways.

Kia eliminated.
 

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That is one under consideration.

Toyota Highlander. Maybe a Honda Pilot, although those things are ugly.

Subaru Forester, smaller end of the scale, but unbeatable AWD. I'm guessing a CRV and a RAV4 are too small (and rightly so).

Ford has the Edge, GM has the... Acadia from GMC and Terrain from Chevy? Sounds about right. Anyways, the GM offering is a heap of shit. Wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.
 

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I wish my car search was that easy. I just gave you my two best recommendations in a few minutes. Yet I've spent weeks working on choosing my car, to no avail.
 

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Toyota Highlander. Maybe a Honda Pilot, although those things are ugly.

Subaru Forester, smaller end of the scale, but unbeatable AWD. I'm guessing a CRV and a RAV4 are too small (and rightly so).

Ford has the Edge, GM has the... Acadia from GMC and Terrain from Chevy? Sounds about right. Anyways, the GM offering is a heap of shit. Wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.

I actually like the GM SUVs. If gas mileage were no concern, I'd get a Yukon Denali.
 

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I actually like the GM SUVs. If gas mileage were no concern, I'd get a Yukon Denali.

That's another class outside the ones I was listing, it's bigger by far.

I don't know how the interiors are for the new ones, but if it's anything like most of GM's offerings, it'll suck too. As for the rest of the vehicle, it's okay, but the reliability is a little iffy. Yukon XL, 2002, now has 83k miles. We've already had a blown transmission, multiple brake problems, and something else big that sent it back to the dealership (I've forgotten what it was).
 

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I see a Terrain, Acadia, Highlander, and Murano as pseudo-SUV's. You can't really tow much, they aren't all that big inside, they can't do serious ground crawling.

A Yukon is a real SUV. It's cavernous inside; an XL can take full sheets of 4x8 plywood plus two people in the front. It can tow quite a bit, and it laughs at dirt, snow, sand, and mud.
 

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I sat in either the Buick, GMC, or Chevrolet edition of the Terrain/Acadia/Rendezvous? at the car show last fall. The quality of the interior is poor. I wasn't impressed by the fit or finish, the sound (slam the door and listen close, it tells a lot about the car), it all felt gimmicky, cheap plasticky, unrefined and unfinished, too many buttons, controls, and gadgets, et cetera.
 

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I used to be one of those "rrawwrrr fuck foreign cars" people... but holy crap, domestics blow chunks now.
 

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I see a Terrain, Acadia, Highlander, and Murano as pseudo-SUV's. You can't really tow much, they aren't all that big inside, they can't do serious ground crawling.

A Yukon is a real SUV. It's cavernous inside; an XL can take full sheets of 4x8 plywood plus two people in the front. It can tow quite a bit, and it laughs at dirt, snow, sand, and mud.

I love the Yukon, but I can't justify it. The Terrain and Acadia were the ones under consideration. I'd frankly prefer to stick with GM or Ford if at all possible.
 

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I love the Yukon, but I can't justify it. The Terrain and Acadia were the ones under consideration. I'd frankly prefer to stick with GM or Ford if at all possible.

It is my recommendation that you strongly consider looking at foreign cars.

That being said, Ford seems to have the upper hand right now. Give it a drive.

For the Yukon, the mileage really does suck, the XL gets about 16 in mixed city/highway, about 20 pure highway. You, with a wife, no kids, and not prone to doing "projects" yourself, have little need for it, so you're totally right, can't be justified.
 

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Anybody feel like figuring out which one of the eight bonded T1 circuits keep bouncing for this radio station?
 

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Regarding embassies.

Seriously, embassies are small bastions of national sovereignty, but they are also guests of the host country.

1) It falls to the duty of the host country to ensure the outer security of embassies.
2) Anything within the grounds of the embassy walls should be defended with utter lethality.

To the ends of both host and guest, it seems logical to place embassies in easily defensible locations, and to perhaps have them near each other, e.g. place the American and British embassies side by side, eliminating a border to defend during periods of unrest.
 
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