New Obama tv ad clarifies "you didn't earn that" remarks

[Matt1970]

Jesus - do you ever stop? The fact that he was speaking to businesses and business owners means NOTHING.

No, it means everything

 

[SpatiallyAware]

So you don't think it's appropriate for the President, the highest government office in America, to say that government does good things? Do you think it's inappropriate when Apple tells you the iPhone is the best phone on the planet?

Sure, it's very appropriate, but to specifically imply that it was not the business owners who sacrificed and risked to build their business is just revolting.

It's one thing to say ok, look at the great environment we've provided for businesses to thrive... But the way he phrased it really was offensive.

 

[Lemon law]

I basically agree with Waggy here, the idea Obama attempt to express is absolutely correct, but the way Obama expressed is almost automatically going to come back and shoot himself it the foot.

Maybe Obama should have said, you could not have built your business without the infra structure put in place before you started. Rather than implying it did not take the subsequent hard work also for the business man to build their business.

After all, we could ask, could Zuckerberg have built facebook up into a sucessful business without the pre-existing internet and the rise of broadband internet that make
facebook possible. As for all those rural Interenet users like me, many still stuck on dial up? Can those dial up users really fully enjoy facebook without broadband internet? And what happened to the Obama campaign promise to support and expand the rural broadband initiative? That went down the tubes the second Obama appointed and telco insider named Greenowski to the FCC!

So maybe I should support Romney or a Fibertarian instead, as they promise me everything and they quite obviously have no idea how to fulfill their promises. After all I quit believing in fairly tales when I become 4 years old. And I resent candidates insulting my intellect by pretending I am stuck at the 2'nd grade level.

 

[Ryan]

Government provided?? With what money? Sourced from who? Built by who?


You act like this all knowing being "the government" waved a wand and gave us all roads and ways to thrive.

We are not pets in a cage, with a caretaker. We built the roads, we paid for them, ("We" as in, everyone in society, not just business owners).

Lol - the point is clearly that without the mechanisms at the governments disposal, this never would have happened.

Let me ask you this - do you think you should pay taxes?

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Lol - the point is clearly that without the mechanisms at the governments disposal, this never would have happened.

Let me ask you this - do you think you should pay taxes?

I understood his point, I'm not saying it's not true; I'm saying that it's highly inappropriate and offensive, and a clearly stupid thing for him to say.

🙄 at your question.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Why he is trying to explain or apologize for saying what he really believes? This has been a constant message from Obama and the left - that only thanks to government is any kind of success possible for they are the ones that "allow" it. He really believes what he said, it's part of who and what he is. You'll even see it in this thread as the liberals scramble to justify what he said, as they honestly believe the same thing. It's the mind of the liberal, it's one of their core beliefs.

All you have to do is pay attention to obama's words, deeds and actions and his constantly offensive statements will come as no surprise any longer, may great fuck be upon him.

We're not all liberals. Some of us just recognize that what he said is true, this country consists of more than just business owners...and even business owners needed a lot of help to become successful. It's just a fact.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

Why he is trying to explain or apologize for saying what he really believes?

Because the country is full of fucking idiots and shameless liars, that's why.

 

[Lemon law]

As a business owner, I found his comments highly offensive even in the context of roads/bridges/infrastructure/whatever.

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I have scant sympathy for you, if you as a businessman miss the Obama point.

How do your customers reach your store without roads and bridges? Where do you get your raw materials to add value to? And this question may blow your mind, would you not be far wealthier if your customers had more money in their pockets?

And to ask another mind blowing question, do you really think GOP policies will help bring back the middle class customer who is always the staple of most peoples business!

 

[Paul98]

I understood his point, I'm not saying it's not true; I'm saying that it's highly inappropriate and offensive, and a clearly stupid thing for him to say.

🙄 at your question.

Why is it inappropriate and offensive? Your business benefits from things that the government and other people built, also from help from others.

 

[Thump553]

This is a great issue for the GOP echo chamber. The ditto heads can fall all over themselves listening to Rush foam at the mouth about our alien socialist president.

But to unaffiliated/undecided voters this is either a nonissue or a very stupid one. The GOP will not gain any votes based on this. Obama did what he had to do to prevent this from becoming a swiftboating.

 

[Ryan]

I understood his point, I'm not saying it's not true; I'm saying that it's highly inappropriate and offensive, and a clearly stupid thing for him to say.

🙄 at your question.

Again - explain why it is offensive? The only explanation I can think of is if you do not think you should be paying taxes, or that you somehow think your tax rate is unfair......

So again - explain why you are offended.

 

[soulcougher73]

Context ...again..she is still a bitch for most uneducated people.

 

[OutHouse]

Unfortunately, we're talking about America here, where most morons are satisfied with watching the race while drinking a beer while holding their dear precious little handgun.

'Murica, fuck yeah!

Did you play too much donkey kong as a kid and now brain damaged?

 

[AstroManLuca]

Why he is trying to explain or apologize for saying what he really believes? This has been a constant message from Obama and the left - that only thanks to government is any kind of success possible for they are the ones that "allow" it. He really believes what he said, it's part of who and what he is. You'll even see it in this thread as the liberals scramble to justify what he said, as they honestly believe the same thing. It's the mind of the liberal, it's one of their core beliefs.

All you have to do is pay attention to obama's words, deeds and actions and his constantly offensive statements will come as no surprise any longer, may great fuck be upon him.

He didn't say anything nearly as extreme as you're implying. To say that government programs helped business owners along is not an insult to businesses, it's just the truth. He never said that government is the sole gatekeeper to success.

And the liberals in this thread are not trying to "justify" what he said, we're just trying to respond to disingenuous attacks based on statements taken out of context. The alternative would be to not say a damn thing, which makes you look like a doormat. You are familiar with the term "swiftboating," are you not? Kerry made the mistake in 2004 of not responding to untrue attacks against him. That's not happening this time.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Why is it inappropriate and offensive? Your business benefits from things that the government and other people built, also from help from others.

The comments weren't that businesses simply benefit from roads built by Americans.

It was specifically worded in an offensive way, if you don't see why then I'm not sure what to say that will change your mind.


It's like telling an olympic athlete who just won a gold medal that they didn't win that due to their hard work, but instead it was won due to the training provided by their instructors. Is it true? Sure. But, it's an inappropriate and offensive thing to say.

 

[Ryan]

The comments weren't that businesses simply benefit from roads built by Americans.

It was specifically worded in an offensive way, if you don't see why then I'm not sure what to say that will change your mind.


It's like telling an olympic athlete who just won a gold medal that they didn't win that due to their hard work, but instead it was won due to the training provided by their instructors. Is it true? Sure. But, it's an inappropriate and offensive thing to say.

So what your saying is that it insults and deflates your ego.

Yeah - real insulting.

 

[sunzt]

I built my own Internet company all by myself.... well except for the Internet part of it.

 

[Paul98]

The comments weren't that businesses simply benefit from roads built by Americans.

It was specifically worded in an offensive way, if you don't see why then I'm not sure what to say that will change your mind.


It's like telling an olympic athlete who just won a gold medal that they didn't win that due to their hard work, but instead it was won due to the training provided by their instructors. Is it true? Sure. But, it's an inappropriate and offensive thing to say.

You totally missed what he actually said, which was that you didn't build the roads, bridges,... Which is why this is taken out of context, if you look at the context, and the entire speech you know exactly what he is talking about.

I think it's funny you try to make this analogy, because it's like telling them that they didn't get there purely due to their hard work. That the coaches, parents,... all helped them get there. Any athlete would totally agree with that, and be happy to say and thank all the people that helped them get where they are.

 

[Matt1970]

He didn't say anything nearly as extreme as you're implying. To say that government programs helped business owners along is not an insult to businesses, it's just the truth. He never said that government is the sole gatekeeper to success.

It's not what he said more so that he only said it to businesses and felt they need to be reminded over workers. If he would have said it to/about cashiers, you would see a bunch of cashiers upset asking why they got singled out?

 

[AstroManLuca]

The comments weren't that businesses simply benefit from roads built by Americans.

It was specifically worded in an offensive way, if you don't see why then I'm not sure what to say that will change your mind.


It's like telling an olympic athlete who just won a gold medal that they didn't win that due to their hard work, but instead it was won due to the training provided by their instructors. Is it true? Sure. But, it's an inappropriate and offensive thing to say.

Heh, referring to this I assume?

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2...-didnt-get-here-solely-on-your-own/?mobile=nc

It just seems like a matter of opinion. I disagree with you that it's offensive to refer back to the help you've gotten to get where you are, whether you're a business owner or an Olympic athlete. But I do see how those things could be construed as offensive depending on how they're worded.

The main thing is basically that the Romney campaign is hypocritical for attacking Obama for an out-of-context statement and then basically saying the exact same thing. You can be insulted by both statements or neither, but it's hypocritical to say one of them is right and the other is wrong.

 

[First]

If Obama said no wrong or it is easily understood what he means without blinders on, then this rebuttal ad wouldn't even exist.

Nah, ads like this exist for the same reason people still believe Iraq had WMD's; because sometimes people are stupid.*

* Reference Matt1970 posts.

It's not what he said

Lol!

 

[AstroManLuca]

It's not what he said more so that he only said it to businesses and felt they need to be reminded over workers. If he would have said it to/about cashiers, you would see a bunch of cashiers upset asking why they got singled out?

I think it's because cashiers rarely talk about how they got to where they are entirely on their own without anyone's help, something many business owners are fond of bringing up.

I'm not saying they need to be smacked down and constantly reminded that they had help too. As Spatially Aware said, Obama's tone was perhaps inappropriate, but that's just a matter of opinion.

 

[a777pilot]

I guess Obama felt the need to provide some more "context" on his own terms. Perhaps a bit embarrassing, but smart as this should allow the topic to go away on (hopefully) favorable terms since before his words were a real drag on his prospects.

http://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/guyb...at_i_really_meant_something_totally_different

ROFLMAO!

Keep giving us more context. The more we hear the worse this Fool sounds. He should shut up but it's beyond this capabilities.

 

[chucky2]

Because the country is full of fucking idiots and shameless liars, that's why.

Look, liberals are already running around playing damage control on this, there's no need to add insult to injury.

 

[emperus]

ROFLMAO!

Keep giving us more context. The more we hear the worse this Fool sounds. He should shut up but it's beyond this capabilities.

This always confuses me about Republicans. Do you beleive Obama is so stupid he can't speak without a teleprompter or soo smart he is always lecturing people? Pls. make up your mind.