new MS OS?????
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spanky
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- Jun 19, 2001
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Microsoft plans to implement Palladium DRM (digital rights management) in a hardware chip, initially implanted on the mobo, but later on embedded in the CPU, and employing hardwired encryption throughout. The purpose of this is to flag every file on the computer with a digital signature telling a remote server what it is. If it's an unauthorised file, the remote server will tell your computer not to let you execute it.
so MS is gonna muscle the hardware manufacturers into implementing this extra hardware... thus driving up cost for end users? thats a no go. also, what about alternative OS's? is that DRM chip gonna screw up other OS's?
so MS is gonna muscle the hardware manufacturers into implementing this extra hardware... thus driving up cost for end users? thats a no go. also, what about alternative OS's? is that DRM chip gonna screw up other OS's?
Originally posted by: NightFlyerGTI
It's after hours and I'm in lazy mode. Is there a lazy mode summary?
sorry...i didn't even read it all myself
-=bmacd=-
Not until Longhorn in 2005 I think. Plenty of time for the Linux distros to get their act together.
Well the authenticate on server wont fly. There are many people who dont have the internet on their computer, what about those. And even if so firewalls can block what is being sent to ms servers anyways.
So they say. People that think Linux is ready for real use keep on arguing about things like how its easier to install than Windows. Ok so maybe the modern distros are, but who gives damn when its still impossible to use once you get going. For example, lets say I wanna upgrade my web browser. I go to the Mozilla site, and grab the RPM. Double click, installs, WTF where did it go? How do you start it? Half an hour later when you figure that out, why do the fonts look like ass? Not to mention the default Linux download is a archive that has to be unpcked rather then installed! The only distro that is even moving in the right direction is the impressive new RedHat beta, IMHO.
Theres already been a ton of discussion on this.
Go here for the most complete view of it that I've run across.
Summary:
A new OS by MS will have DRM code in it. That code will require a piece of hardware to work. That hardware will either be on the mobo or in the CPU. So the code paired with the hardware will provide unbreakable DRM amongst other things.
The obvious one is that media won't play without it. One other thing is that unsigned programs (programs being MS Word, Mozilla, Winamp, Warcraft 3, etc...) won't run. Not only will these programs not work inside MS's OS, but OS's without the code won't run on that CPU/mobo. So goodbye *nix, *BSD, etc...
Of course this is years off, but that doesn't mean we should ignore it now.
So it ever become a standard, you will see people stop upgrading their hardware/software. A black market, probably from Asia if standards over there are not implemented, will emerge with new hardware that doesn't have this.
Why would Intel or the rest of hardware world go along? It forces people to upgrade. Upgrading means more money for them. And if they can turn off your hardware, they can force you to upgrade again.
Of course, I'm a believer that MS very rarely has good ethics/morals when it comes to things like this. So I usually expect the worst from them.
Go here for the most complete view of it that I've run across.
Summary:
A new OS by MS will have DRM code in it. That code will require a piece of hardware to work. That hardware will either be on the mobo or in the CPU. So the code paired with the hardware will provide unbreakable DRM amongst other things.
The obvious one is that media won't play without it. One other thing is that unsigned programs (programs being MS Word, Mozilla, Winamp, Warcraft 3, etc...) won't run. Not only will these programs not work inside MS's OS, but OS's without the code won't run on that CPU/mobo. So goodbye *nix, *BSD, etc...
Of course this is years off, but that doesn't mean we should ignore it now.
So it ever become a standard, you will see people stop upgrading their hardware/software. A black market, probably from Asia if standards over there are not implemented, will emerge with new hardware that doesn't have this.
Why would Intel or the rest of hardware world go along? It forces people to upgrade. Upgrading means more money for them. And if they can turn off your hardware, they can force you to upgrade again.
Of course, I'm a believer that MS very rarely has good ethics/morals when it comes to things like this. So I usually expect the worst from them.
tar -zvxf mozilla-i686-pc-linux-gnu-1.1.sea.tar.gz
cd mozilla-installer
./mozilla-installer
Just cause you don't know how to use it doesn't mean it's hard.
"It doesn't work like windows, it's too hard!"
Had you been using linux this whole time, and someone showed you windows, you'd be going "how the hell do I extract a tar.gz file?! What you have to downlaod a seperate program? Windows in too much of a pain in the ass!"
BrunoPuntzJones
Lifer
- Feb 24, 2001
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On XP with the registration, what happens when they drop the support after 3 years? Will it still be usable, or will they close the registration stuff to?
Except you never have to extract a tar.gz in Windows. Simple use of an operating system shouldn't be so complex, it should be for power users that want to learn.
ultimatebob
Lifer
- Jul 1, 2001
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Another summary: It's a post about the Microsoft pipe dream of a "secure PC", with integrated digital rights management hardware and software. They would use use this system to lock out pirated software and media, along with making more difficult for Linux to gain a foothold as a Microsoft competitor.
Even shorter summary: It's bunch of BS. I'll bet that this whole post was crafted from the headlines of a bunch of articles from Slashdot and The Register. Neither news source has ANY credability when it comes to Microsoft, as they're run by a bunch of Microsoft bashers and Linux fanboys.
Of course, even if Microsoft could get this crap past the inevitable anti-trust lawsuits that both hardware and software manufacturers would launch against them, most consumers wouldn't be stupid enough to buy a system that wouldn't play their MP3's and Divx movies that they pirated off of Kazaa. Microsoft isn't God, and there are still plenty of alternatives to their software out there.
Even shorter summary: It's bunch of BS. I'll bet that this whole post was crafted from the headlines of a bunch of articles from Slashdot and The Register. Neither news source has ANY credability when it comes to Microsoft, as they're run by a bunch of Microsoft bashers and Linux fanboys.
Of course, even if Microsoft could get this crap past the inevitable anti-trust lawsuits that both hardware and software manufacturers would launch against them, most consumers wouldn't be stupid enough to buy a system that wouldn't play their MP3's and Divx movies that they pirated off of Kazaa. Microsoft isn't God, and there are still plenty of alternatives to their software out there.
You have a point, but lots of popular Linux software is packaged in RPM format. It's not often that you need to deal with tar.gz.
Also, .exe files for Windows are easy for users to deal with, but it also creates nightmare because of viruses and trojans.
The Stigenator
Lifer
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If it comes to it, we will get a taiwaniese mobo maker to make a special line withot the drm chip... screw MS.
I am slowly shifing my stuff to Linux anyway.. and by 2005 I will have everything in Linux.. if MS comes after me.. they will only find themselves in a spot.
By the way I heard rumors that people are getting so PO'ed that they are planning to do something to the HQ's of companies that are showing greed and other non-business like activities..
what do you think.. what if MS HQ gets egged or something worse.. knowing these groups.. its probably will be worse... but the point is the rumor is out there.
I am slowly shifing my stuff to Linux anyway.. and by 2005 I will have everything in Linux.. if MS comes after me.. they will only find themselves in a spot.
By the way I heard rumors that people are getting so PO'ed that they are planning to do something to the HQ's of companies that are showing greed and other non-business like activities..
what do you think.. what if MS HQ gets egged or something worse.. knowing these groups.. its probably will be worse... but the point is the rumor is out there.
I doubt this will get through the DOJ, hope it wont at least and this will NEVER go through the EU thingamagic.
As are RPM dependencies. Think of it this way, Windows has a proven GUI model. True, it will be foreign to someone completely new to computers, but it has been the established way to do things for a decade. MacOS uses the same model, someone on a Windows machine can easy start using MacOS. But the Linux way of doing things is different. Is it better? I think the answer is definately no. Linux shouldn't be breaking OS usability rules unless it has something clearly superior. I like the RedHat beta, because the way the configuration is set up is like it is on Windows.
Define "better". If by "better" you mean "easier" then, no linux does not have a better interface. If by "better" you mena "more powerful" then, yes linux is better.
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