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New MoveOn PAC Ad: Quagmire

Is this ad offensive to the troops?
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No, why would it be?

I can see how it would be offensive to the chest-thumping mouth-breathers who think that we actually CAN go it alone and succeed (even in the face of the NIE report that plainly states that we cannot win in Iraq).
 
Well it's true. It's less offensive than the ad Bush ran with the jets, tanks, etc. disappearing. Anyone with half a brain can read about the current status of Iraq and figure out things were il planned. Even Bush said "miscalculated" post-war Iraq. You break it, you own it.
 
No, I didn't think that it was offensive.

For a split-second I thought the soldier was going to be portrayed as weak or stupid, but that might have been a trick of my imagination.
 
I vote with bdude.

MoveOn and the DNC need the ad equivalent of Shakespeare to get Kerry out of this fight alive.

-Robert
 
I dont get sound at work but I can only imagine the whining they are doing.

But as usual they offer little answers to what they would do.
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
I dont get sound at work but I can only imagine the whining they are doing.

But as usual they offer little answers to what they would do.
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The answer is deceivingly simple. We have two choices.

1. Pull out
2. Send more troops

A choice that both candidates will have to face during the next 4 year tenure.
 
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I guess Drudge is claiming that the ad portrays the troops as "surrendering" or "defeated."

Which is why I'm wondering.
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well...drudge is drudge. i dont see it that way. although, i admit i had no idea what the hell that dude was doing for a while.
and, although you may have guessed, im not part of the united states military. so: by my standards, no i would not think that is offensive. however, i can not speak for the troops.
i can speak for my mother, though, who just watched it (and who is part of the united states military) and she is not offended by it.

everyone else i know in the military, i didnt happen to be on the phone with when i saw this ad. ill try to remember to pass it their way.
 
I don't see it as offensive at all.

I don't care for the ending where they say "it will take a new president to get us out". It should say something like "it will take a differnt approach to get the world support we need to get us out without our troops sacrifices being in vain".

Or something along those lines.
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
I dont get sound at work but I can only imagine the whining they are doing.

But as usual they offer little answers to what they would do.
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That would take much longer than a 30-second ad. LOL
 
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: Genx87
I dont get sound at work but I can only imagine the whining they are doing.

But as usual they offer little answers to what they would do.
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That would take much longer than a 30-second ad. LOL
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Ya, but also perhaps the RNC should provide something other than "Kerry this", "Kerry that", or "I know where I want to lead this country" as well. Seems some want Kerry and Co to provide details yet don't expect anything near the same for Bush and Co.
 
Originally posted by: bdude
Originally posted by: Genx87
I dont get sound at work but I can only imagine the whining they are doing.

But as usual they offer little answers to what they would do.
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The answer is deceivingly simple. We have two choices.

1. Pull out
2. Send more troops

A choice that both candidates will have to face during the next 4 year tenure.
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You forgot bushes plan. Staaaay Thee course Staaay the courses.
 
No doubt Bush continues to repeat that phrase over and over. However, the real reason for that lies within his political motivation for reelection. Shouldn't switch horses during midstream, and he certainly wouldn't want to mention the deployment of more troops until Nov. 3, lest the Dems take advantage of such a statement.

If he is to be reelected, I am absolutely 100% certain he will call for more troops to be deployed, but whether Congress complies remains to be seen, as well as public opinion on the war supporting such a call. The biggest problem I see with further deployment is that the situation may have spiraled beyond even the US militaries control, seeing as we have so many limitations as it is. The US Army was meant to destroy other armies, and unfortunately the Bush Admin is unlearning this lesson the hard way.

 
Originally posted by: bdude
No doubt Bush continues to repeat that phrase over and over. However, the real reason for that lies within his political motivation for reelection. Shouldn't switch horses during midstream, and he certainly wouldn't want to mention the deployment of more troops until Nov. 3, lest the Dems take advantage of such a statement.

If he is to be reelected, I am absolutely 100% certain he will call for more troops to be deployed, but whether Congress complies remains to be seen, as well as public opinion on the war supporting such a call. The biggest problem I see with further deployment is that the situation may have spiraled beyond even the US militaries control, seeing as we have so many limitations as it is. The US Army was meant to destroy other armies, and unfortunately the Bush Admin is unlearning this lesson the hard way.
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I think they will need to send more troops before we can get out of there. Of course, Bush can't say that because he wants everyone to think it's all under control. Hah!
 
Not offensive, but considering their budget its not all that creative.

They should be nailing him on his near complete failure of his "5 point plan":

1) Hand over authority to a sovereign Iraqi government (partial success, but if you're not in control, you have no authority)
2) Help establish security (complete failure)
3) Continue rebuilding Iraq's infrastructure (with incessant bombing and using water money for security purposes)
4) Encourage more international support (this is working well, for the rebels)
5) Move toward a national election that will bring forward new leaders empowered by the Iraqi people. (to be determined but plan is obviously deteriorating rapidly)
 
Poor way to illustrate the message.

AGain, libs grasping at straws.

gallop poll shows bush with a FOURTEEN POINT LEAD!!!!!
 
Originally posted by: Gravity
Poor way to illustrate the message.

AGain, libs grasping at straws.

gallop poll shows bush with a FOURTEEN POINT LEAD!!!!!
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Straws? More like a treetrunk.
 
well it shows a soldier surrendering .....

I guess Moveon.org really wants the USA to lose this war so Kerry gets elected
 
Originally posted by: raildogg
well it shows a soldier surrendering .....

I guess Moveon.org really wants the USA to lose this war so Kerry gets elected
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Umm, no. It's a soldier stuck in quicksand.
 
Win this war, Raildogg? Of course we can win, provided we're willing to engage in mass murder on a scale that would make Saddam Hussein look like a milquetoast...

Which is always the problem with unjustified war and occupation. We lack the moral imperative to win at any cost to the other side... We're not prepared to bomb their cities flat, kill as many of the enemy as required, whether they're in uniform or not.

The policy zealots who brought us Vietnam were thoroughly discredited among the Dems, 30 years ago, rightfully so. They just switched parties, modified their message slightly, and we have the modern neocons of today. Same whore, different dress.
 
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Win this war, Raildogg? Of course we can win, provided we're willing to engage in mass murder on a scale that would make Saddam Hussein look like a milquetoast...

Which is always the problem with unjustified war and occupation. We lack the moral imperative to win at any cost to the other side... We're not prepared to bomb their cities flat, kill as many of the enemy as required, whether they're in uniform or not.

The policy zealots who brought us Vietnam were thoroughly discredited among the Dems, 30 years ago, rightfully so. They just switched parties, modified their message slightly, and we have the modern neocons of today. Same whore, different dress.
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Same stain!

 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Win this war, Raildogg? Of course we can win, provided we're willing to engage in mass murder on a scale that would make Saddam Hussein look like a milquetoast...

Which is always the problem with unjustified war and occupation. We lack the moral imperative to win at any cost to the other side... We're not prepared to bomb their cities flat, kill as many of the enemy as required, whether they're in uniform or not.

The policy zealots who brought us Vietnam were thoroughly discredited among the Dems, 30 years ago, rightfully so. They just switched parties, modified their message slightly, and we have the modern neocons of today. Same whore, different dress.
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Same stain!
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I suppose some might say that if you have a problem with the way things are run in this country - you should feel free to go elsewhere. I hear Canada is a choice destination - maybe France too.

I'm not sure I'd take that stance but I hear it stated alot.

CsG
 
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Win this war, Raildogg? Of course we can win, provided we're willing to engage in mass murder on a scale that would make Saddam Hussein look like a milquetoast...

Which is always the problem with unjustified war and occupation. We lack the moral imperative to win at any cost to the other side... We're not prepared to bomb their cities flat, kill as many of the enemy as required, whether they're in uniform or not.

The policy zealots who brought us Vietnam were thoroughly discredited among the Dems, 30 years ago, rightfully so. They just switched parties, modified their message slightly, and we have the modern neocons of today. Same whore, different dress.
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Same stain!
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I suppose some might say that if you have a problem with the way things are run in this country - you should feel free to go elsewhere. I hear Canada is a choice destination - maybe France too.

I'm not sure I'd take that stance but I hear it stated alot.

CsG
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Usually by those on the Far Right!
 
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