New Marching Orders For Obamabots

RY62

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While looking around on the Dailykooks, I came across the new marching orders for Obamabots memo. Most of you have surely recieved the memo but undoubtedly a few have missed it so I thought I'd post it here. I took the liberty of bolding a few of the more important points.

It seems the youth movement can't be trusted to speak for themselves, they must be educated as to how to conduct themselves when supporting the Obama.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/2/101027/8846
Stop waiting for Obama to do the dirty fighting. He is the leader. We are the troops. We are the mean, dirty, nasty, smear-fighting, under the belt counter-punching change that we've been waiting for.

So how do you fight this onslaught?

One thing to remember is that when you are off this board, hanging out with conservatives and moderates on other boards, you are in enemy territory. You need to be on your best behavior. No one approach will succeed with your audience and your style. Find your honest voice and use it. But if your honest voice consists of nothing but insults, swearing, and wild/broad accusation - learn to fake another style.

What works: humor, facts, honesty, personal experience, passion. Some audiences love historical context and comparisons. Not too short; not too long. One liners can raise a question, bring a laugh, or make a point. Very long screeds are rarely read by anyone. Fresh information works - bring some news no one has seen yet.

What does not work: becoming a forum troll. If people perceive you as an unreasoning opponent of their POV you will be blown off and pilloried. Constant swearing. Bitterness. Fear. Desperation. None of these are effective tools.

McCain is not conducting the traditional fear and smear campaign. Frankly, I'm not sure that Obama's campaign realizes that. McCain's negative ads aren't full of minor chords and whispered threats. His is a new line of attack.

Playing Defense: Blunt the attack. One way of doing this is voicing the subtext. Does the McCain ad feature cheering Obama fans? The subtext is that Obama is popular and McCain is not. How do you personify that difference? McCain is Rodney Dangerfield - He gets no respect. Does the McCain ad say that Obama is Moses and takes the Divine seriously? Ask how Huckabee fans feel having their similar faith mocked by a man who left his wife and children to go skirt-chasing. Does the McCain question Obama's leadership? What is the leadership potential of Rodney Dangerfield? And throw your opponents a bone now and then. No one likes a smart-ass that is right all the time.
Playing Offense: I've already given you the key to that. It is the same as playing defense. Take McCain's charges and turn them back on him.

Obama is popular => McCain is not. McCain is Rodney Dangerfield

Obama is not ready to lead => McCain's Rodney Dangerfield persona is not ready to lead. His attacks are infantile, ineffective.

Obama played the race card => McCain would rather talk about The Race Card than the economy, tax-cuts, energy and education - all subjects of Obama's speech in Missouri the other day. Make sure you know what Obama was talking about when the McCain camp decided to talk to the distractions.
http://www.barackobama.com/...

Obama dissed the troops at Landstuhl => Obama moved to protect the troops from political exposure. McCain dragged them to the front line of the political fray to score political points. McCain has no honor.

This is rhetorical judo. It is the ability to take an opponents line of attack and turn it back on himself. It cannot be done through rhetorical brutality (insults, swearing, unreasonable attitude) and it cannot be done by standing directly in the line of fire (getting tied down in the minutiae of Obama's decision to do or say this or that on a particular day).

Not everyone is going to be able to do this. But it seems to be working in my small corner of the blog-o-sphere.

A picture is worth a thousand words: Show Obama at his best: On the flood line in Quincy, in the chopper with Petraeus, speaking to 200000 in Berlin. Show McCain at his worst. Golf-carting in Kennebunkport. Speaking in front of Schmidts Fudge Haus. Don't say much. Just show the image - in compare and contrast mode. Conservatives are going to reply with scorn - its just photo-ops, empty suits, and means nothing. Don't fight to the death against that charge Smile, nod, and wait for the next opportunity to post a comparison photo-op.

The first line in the memo reminds me of another political movement.

"My program for educating youth is hard. Weakness must be hammered away. In my castles of the Teutonic Order a youth will grow up before which the world will tremble. I want a brutal, domineering, fearless, cruel youth. Youth must be all that. It must bear pain. There must be nothing weak and gentle about it. The free, splendid beast of prey must once again flash from its eyes...That is how I will eradicate thousands of years of human domestication...That is how I will create the New Order." -- Adolf Hitler, 1933.

He alone, who owns the youth, gains the Future!
-- Adolf Hitler, speech at the Reichsparteitag, 1935

Remember now, no more insults...be on your best behavior. ;)

 

Vic

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You must have missed it when Hillary's camp released this same memo a few months ago. Looks like DailyKos just copy and pasted it but wisely added in the warning about not being the forum troll.
 

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We all do our part ;)
 

RY62

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Originally posted by: Vic
You must have missed it when Hillary's camp released this same memo a few months ago. Looks like DailyKos just copy and pasted it but wisely added in the warning about not being the forum troll.

Yeah, I guess I did miss that. I'd like to see it though. You got a link?
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Dailykos is a bunch of nutjobs. The Democrat version of the Freepers.

Hey, that's a thought. May I should start copy-and-pasting random posts and blogs from Freepers to here and claim that they were written by McCain...

No wait, some people might think that's dishonest trolling... better not. ;)
 

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Dailykos is a bunch of nutjobs. The Democrat version of the Freepers.

Yes, however with the wide variety of articles posted on the blog there are quite a few good one from time to time.
 

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Originally posted by: RY62
"My program for educating youth is hard.

Weakness must be hammered away.

In my castles of the Teutonic Order a youth will grow up before which the world will tremble.

I want a brutal, domineering, fearless, cruel youth.

Youth must be all that.

It must bear pain.

There must be nothing weak and gentle about it.

The free, splendid beast of prey must once again flash from its eyes...That is how I will eradicate thousands of years of human domestication...That is how I will create the New Order." -- Adolf Hitler, 1933.

domesticated

That describes the American people perfect
 

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Originally posted by: shinerburke
Please see the 2nd line in my sig.

My sig pic is better than yours and unlike yours it is real.

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Too bad nobody gave RY62 "marching orders" about not being a forum troll.

At this point in the race the bender some of the Hillary supporters are still on is just unhealthy.
 

Red Dawn

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LOL Obamabots, I'd have voted for that psycho bitch Hillary before I'd vote for another 4 years of Bush policies as would most voting for Obama. It's the same situation as it has been for years, we aren't voting for somebody as much as we are voting against somebody and after 8 miserable years of Bush and the Republicans we'd be god damned if we'd support that old crank McSame.
 

Jhhnn

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The linked post in the OP is really very good advice for anybody attempting to be persuasive, and is basically a rehash of what reasonable people everywhere know to be true. This part in particular-

What does not work: becoming a forum troll. If people perceive you as an unreasoning opponent of their POV you will be blown off and pilloried. Constant swearing. Bitterness. Fear. Desperation. None of these are effective tools.

Too bad RY62 and cohorts haven't figured that out.

Bobberfett's analysis, if one could call it that, is particularly obnoxious, and Shinerburke's sig is beyond the pale.

Agree with them or not, the Kossacks exhibit a great deal of thought and originality, while the Freepers merely chant slogans and repeat what they've absorbed via osmosis into their thick dittohead skulls... much like the OP.
 

RY62

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Too bad nobody gave RY62 "marching orders" about not being a forum troll.

I admit, I was doing a little, tongue in cheek, trolling with that one.

You gotta admit though, there is some good advice in that memo. I'll be trying to pay more attention to how I post because of it. The "psycho bitch", McSame, Obamaessiah lables and personal attacks really don't do us much good but a little bit of trolling and jabbing keeps it interesting. :)
 

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
LOL Obamabots, I'd have voted for that psycho bitch Hillary before I'd vote for another 4 years of Bush policies as would most voting for Obama. It's the same situation as it has been for years, we aren't voting for somebody as much as we are voting against somebody and after 8 miserable years of Bush and the Republicans we'd be god damned if we'd support that old crank McSame.

Which is the damn craziest thing. The democrats were handed the White House on a silver platter in 2004. What did they do.. they got together the two most liberal voting pair they could find and threw them on a ticket together forcing a lot of people to vote for Bush. Now in 2008 they have got someone who is even more to the left of a Kerry/Edwards ticket. What could have been a sure thing again for the democrats is now a dead heat.
 

RY62

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
The linked post in the OP is really very good advice for anybody attempting to be persuasive, and is basically a rehash of what reasonable people everywhere know to be true. This part in particular-

What does not work: becoming a forum troll. If people perceive you as an unreasoning opponent of their POV you will be blown off and pilloried. Constant swearing. Bitterness. Fear. Desperation. None of these are effective tools.

Too bad RY62 and cohorts haven't figured that out.

Bobberfett's analysis, if one could call it that, is particularly obnoxious, and Shinerburke's sig is beyond the pale.

Agree with them or not, the Kossacks exhibit a great deal of thought and originality, while the Freepers merely chant slogans and repeat what they've absorbed via osmosis into their thick dittohead skulls... much like the OP.

It cuts both ways there friend.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: shinerburke
Please see the 2nd line in my sig.

Godwin's Law just like the OP.

Careful or you'll end up just as much a forum troll as he is.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: rudder
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
LOL Obamabots, I'd have voted for that psycho bitch Hillary before I'd vote for another 4 years of Bush policies as would most voting for Obama. It's the same situation as it has been for years, we aren't voting for somebody as much as we are voting against somebody and after 8 miserable years of Bush and the Republicans we'd be god damned if we'd support that old crank McSame.

Which is the damn craziest thing. The democrats were handed the White House on a silver platter in 2004. What did they do.. they got together the two most liberal voting pair they could find and threw them on a ticket together forcing a lot of people to vote for Bush. Now in 2008 they have got someone who is even more to the left of a Kerry/Edwards ticket. What could have been a sure thing again for the democrats is now a dead heat.

You forgot about the part where the Republicans give us even worse choices, running only the most crooked and corrupt politicians they can find. Why do you overlook that, I wonder?
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Bobberfett's analysis, if one could call it that, is particularly obnoxious, and Shinerburke's sig is beyond the pale.

Agree with them or not, the Kossacks exhibit a great deal of thought and originality, while the Freepers merely chant slogans and repeat what they've absorbed via osmosis into their thick dittohead skulls... much like the OP.

Only because you happen take the side of the freaks at Dailykos. I'm sure hardcore right wingers think FreeRepublic is a bastion of deep thinkers as well. Partisan hacks like you are so myopic it's sad. My side good. Other side bad. You're ridiculous.
 

Vic

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I wonder, if I went to Freeper, found some random post from some random author, and brought it back here claiming it was written by McCain and equated it (with ridiculous logic) to some quote from Hitler, how quickly that thread would be locked?