Got it going. Boy it was a mutha. anyway i reinstalled windows not a format just a reinstall.I dont know if that was it or the getting rid of dx8 was it.Im using dx7 now but dont whant to install dx8 intill i hear sombody els with the kyro using it. It seems very fast. I notice no diff from the 5500.i can tell you that on my system it is faster than the 32meg radeon.Image quality is excellent one of the best.Im going to try 4x agp now and see whats up.BTW this card is way better than the mx imo.