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New Kerry Ad...Calls latest Bush ad "Juvenile"
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Spencer278
Diamond Member
the ads say bush ran a Juvenile ad.
JHoNNy1OoO
Golden Member
Actually he's calling the new Bush ads "juvenile" so the title is a little misleading. If you recall that new RNC ad that shows Kerry windsurfing to the left and to the right. Him calling the ads juvenile are not personal attacks by any means.
CycloWizard
Lifer
If an appeal to emotion is a good ad, then yes, this is. John Kerry's plan is to get allies involved, yet I haven't heard how he plans to do that, nor do I believe that any 'allies' will make significant troop contributions to Iraq.
Todd33
Diamond Member
Do you have anything to add to the topic? No, you are just trolling with personal attacks. What I said was plain and simple, not an attack. Iraq is Bush's war, he got us in and he will go down in history with Iraq attached to his name. Now you don't think it's a legitimate topic for reelection? :thumbsdown:
Don Vito Corleone
Elite
Weren't you already banned once for personal attacks?
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
That seems to be a pretty lame ad IMO.
He starts by showing how "weak" and "hurt" he thinks America is(appealing to illogical emotion), then tries to claim the other guy is running "juvenile" ads(like whining about it isn't?) then he claims he has some "direction" or whatever for Iraq. Don't mind we are already training Iraqis, helping set up elections which are set for next year, and don't mind the fact that the "allies" involved were willing to join when the others turned a blind eye. Kerry isn't going to suddenly change the situation with the allies in Iraq - to think that is asinine. He isn't going to "speed" up anything over there either - he's just trying to play the "we are losing" card and hoping people buy his BS.
D+ for the ad because it didn't mention Vietnam.
CsG
He starts by showing how "weak" and "hurt" he thinks America is(appealing to illogical emotion), then tries to claim the other guy is running "juvenile" ads(like whining about it isn't?) then he claims he has some "direction" or whatever for Iraq. Don't mind we are already training Iraqis, helping set up elections which are set for next year, and don't mind the fact that the "allies" involved were willing to join when the others turned a blind eye. Kerry isn't going to suddenly change the situation with the allies in Iraq - to think that is asinine. He isn't going to "speed" up anything over there either - he's just trying to play the "we are losing" card and hoping people buy his BS.
D+ for the ad because it didn't mention Vietnam.
CsG
Don Vito Corleone
Elite
This is a nice means for skirting the rules on personal attacks, at least in a weak, cowardly, passive-aggressive kind of way. Too bad there isn't a similar battery of snide jokes for anonymous, unimaginative keypunchers.
0marTheZealot
Golden Member
^^^^^^^ source?
CycloWizard
Lifer
And how would Kerry fix this? By 'speeding up the training program'? Yeah, cut the number of weeks of the training to 6 to 4 and of course the numbers will go up. Of course, I believe the number was really 24, but the example still holds.
Don Vito Corleone
Elite
I actually agree with you.
The larger problem is that the country is presently so lacking in security that police and soldiers in training are easy pickings for all the terrorists who have flocked to Iraq (as witnessed by the hundreds of trainees who have already died this year). The present environment over there is simply not conducive to building a viable defense force, much less any kind of infrastructure.
Todd33
Diamond Member
Iraq Reconstruction: How Not To Do It
The Reconstruction's Bottom Line
It's not always what you say that's important, it's who you assign to the job and how hold them accountable.
The Reconstruction's Bottom Line
It's not always what you say that's important, it's who you assign to the job and how hold them accountable.
Don Vito Corleone
Elite
It's not really my job to solve this - that will happen at a far higher pay grade than mine, and be informed by intel much more comprehensive than any to which I have access.
That said, it seems to me we can't really effect regime change in Iraq without providing enough troops to truly secure the country. Our current approach is neither fish nor fowl, and leaves Iraq in limbo, because terrorists and insurgents keep killing their trainees and destroying pipelines, electrical lines, and other fundamental infrastructure. If we can't protect aid workers or police trainees, we haven't won the war yet. It seems to me the war simply isn't over, and we're trying to act as though it is.
It seems to me we either need to truly commit to this conflict with an eye toward victory (which will almost certainly require a draft), or cut our losses and run. Our current approach is like a death by a thousand cuts, and will lead, slowly and inevitably, toward a much costlier loss.
These problems were perfectly predictable to anyone previewing OIF without rose-colored, PNAC-issued glasses. This war is the biggest failure of the US military and foreign policy in history IMO.
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