New Jersey to host the 2014 Superbowl

[Sinsear]

Snow Bowl!!!

 

[KeithTalent]

Go Minnesota 🙂

This! :awe:

KT

 

[gimmewhitecastles]

Really? Wasn't he unbeaten in the playoffs in Lambeau for a long time? Maybe my memory is just bad. :\

Yes. Your memory serves well. Except the Lambeau mistique is over, Favre is old, and 2007 NFC Championship Game happened.

 

[Deeko]

Yeah, I really wanted to be at the Colts/Bears game in Miami. That was just perfect weather. Not only was the weather perfect, but the game wasn't sloppy at all.

The funny thing is, the team that played all there home games in a perfect dome environment steam rolled the team that played on grass in crappy weather.

All the crying about an advantage is retarded.

From wiki:

For the first time in Super Bowl history, the game was played in the rain, which was continuous throughout the game.

Seems like the traditional sites generally DO prevent rain storms.

Also, that game was also a lot closer than it should have been. The Colts were far, far superior to the Bears that year. Their quarterback was Rex Grossman!

 

[rcpratt]

Yes...a game that's sometimes played in poor weather. Not the championship game, that's supposed to be a neutral contest between the NFC/AFC champs.

Some of those "greatest games ever" also had an inherent advantage to the home team, who earned said advantage. There is supposed to be no such thing in the Superbowl.

Bad weather doesn't immediately make it a better game. Do you remember that game on the soggy field in the rain in London? The one that was almost a 0-0 tie? That was a TERRIBLE game.

So the Super Bowl can sometimes be played in "poor" weather, too. I don't see the issue with that. I'm also not buying in to any "advantage". If anything, warm weather outdoor teams have an equal advantage in hot outdoor games as well.

It's perfectly possible to rain at pretty much any southern stadium as well, so I'm not sure why you'd bring that up.

 

[Deeko]

So the Super Bowl can sometimes be played in "poor" weather, too. I don't see the issue with that. I'm also not buying in to any "advantage".

Its happened once in the history of the game, its not like its a regular occurrence that sometimes happens. You're not buying into any advantage? How? It is a very obvious advantage to a cold weather team to play in the snow.

Also, the fact that they've avoided this situation for so long is obviously evidence that the league agrees that it is less than desirable.

It's perfectly possible to rain at pretty much any southern stadium as well, so I'm not sure why you'd bring that up.

You brought that up, sport. In case you didn't know this, not only is rain not the same thing as snow, that rainy Superbowl was considered unideal by pretty much everyone. So what's your point?

 

[rcpratt]

You brought that up, sport. In case you didn't know this, not only is rain not the same thing as snow, that rainy Superbowl was considered unideal by pretty much everyone. So what's your point?

What? I never mentioned rain until you mentioned the London game. I don't even know what rainy Super Bowl you're talking about.

I think everyone should get a chance to host these sporting events, so good for them. It will still sell out, people will still have plenty of fun, and the same number of people will still watch it.

I think NY/NJ is pretty dumb for building an outdoor stadium, but that's another issue entirely.

 

[gimmewhitecastles]

Home field advantage is usually due to the fans instead of the weather. Unless a New York team makes it to the Superbowl, there isn't much of an advantage.

In this day and age of heated seats and artificial turf, the weather isn't much of an excuse.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

This thread reminded me of one of the worst weather games in NFL history

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_Championship_Game,_1967


Horrible excuse for a game in incredibly unfair conditions, several Dallas players were hospitalized with frostbite after the game.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

while i can see how it could be unfair, i still find the prospect of a messy nasty snowbowl exciting.

why doesn't the better team host the game? too hard to tell which team is better due to not playing a lot of overlapping teams? disparity in skill btw conferences and even divisions? the super bowl is such a huge money maker, kinda unfair for the cities that get to host it frequently. they should just cycle through the franchises...

 

[Deeko]

What? I never mentioned rain until you mentioned the London game. I don't even know what rainy Super Bowl you're talking about.

I think everyone should get a chance to host these sporting events, so good for them. It will still sell out, people will still have plenty of fun, and the same number of people will still watch it.

Egh...someone else brought up the rainy superbowl, but you brought up that Superbowls should be played in less than optimal weather, and you pointed out that some of the best games were played in the snow. Obviously you were making an extension of less than optimal weather. I brought up a counter point of a less than optimal weather game that was terrible, largely due to said weather. In fact, I opened that with "bad weather doesn't necessarily make it a better game".

You can argue my point if you'd like, but attempting to pretend you don't understand is obviously inane. You clearly know why the point was made and how it fits into the discussion.

 

[rcpratt]

Egh...someone else brought up the rainy superbowl, but you brought up that Superbowls should be played in less than optimal weather, and you pointed out that some of the best games were played in the snow. Obviously you were making an extension of less than optimal weather. I brought up a counter point of a less than optimal weather game that was terrible, largely due to said weather. In fact, I opened that with "bad weather doesn't necessarily make it a better game".

You can argue my point if you'd like, but attempting to pretend you don't understand is obviously inane. You clearly know why the point was made and how it fits into the discussion.

I never pretended to not understand. I was just confused by you making an argument about a RAINY game, which could happen at most southern stadiums in the country. It seemed contradictory to your opinion.

I never said that games in less than optimal weather are better, but rather that it is perfectly possible to play a good game in less than optimal weather.

I don't care enough about the NFL to argue, but my opinion is that every team/city should get a chance.

 

[PimpJuice]

Yes...a game that's sometimes played in poor weather. Not the championship game, that's supposed to be a neutral contest between the NFC/AFC champs.

Some of those "greatest games ever" also had an inherent advantage to the home team, who earned said advantage. There is supposed to be no such thing in the Superbowl.

Bad weather doesn't immediately make it a better game. Do you remember that game on the soggy field in the rain in London? The one that was almost a 0-0 tie? That was a TERRIBLE game.

You're obviously a fan of a southern or domed team. Both teams have the same conditions.....sounds neutral to me.

Playing in good weather or a domed stadium can also be an advantage or disadvantage to teams too and I didn't hear anybody complain then. Warm weather/Domes are an advantage to passing teams whereas cold weather is generally good for running teams.

if playoff games can be played in the cold, then the superbowl shouldn't be exempt. Home field is home field.....the superbowl is in a pre-determined neutral site, apples and oranges.

Its about time we went back to some cold weather football. Fucking warm weather princesses.......

 

[Deeko]

I never pretended to not understand. I was just confused by you making an argument about a RAINY game, which could happen at most southern stadiums in the country. It seemed contradictory to your opinion.

The inanity continues then....

You talked about sub-optimal weather conditions and how they're ok. I brought out a recent, clear example of them being a detriment, and said that bad weather doesn't necessarily make a good game. Very simple.

 

[rcpratt]

The inanity continues then....

You talked about sub-optimal weather conditions and how they're ok. I brought out a recent, clear example of them being a detriment, and said that bad weather doesn't necessarily make a good game. Very simple.

So you quote one recent example of a sloppy poor-weathered game and think that defines a rule? Talk about inane. I never said that bad weather "makes a good game".

 

[zinfamous]

I have no problem wiht this. hell, it might even encourage ticket sales to more real fans of the game.

I think fewer VIPs will be as interested in being at the game if it means dressing up in layers and chugging whiskey just to keep warm.

Football is played in the snow for almost half the season. I see no reason for the championship game to be immune from this reality.

 

[PimpJuice]

Really? Wasn't he unbeaten in the playoffs in Lambeau for a long time? Maybe my memory is just bad. :\

He might have been unbeaten for a while there, but not because he necessarily played well. You can look up his cold weather playoff stats.......they're mediocre. He had better stats during the regular season in cold weather I believe but different story in the playoffs.

 

[Deeko]

You're obviously a fan of a southern or domed team. Both teams have the same conditions.....sounds neutral to me.

Playing in good weather or a domed stadium can also be an advantage or disadvantage to teams too and I didn't hear anybody complain then. Warm weather/Domes are an advantage to passing teams whereas cold weather is generally good for running teams.

if playoff games can be played in the cold, then the superbowl shouldn't be exempt. Home field is home field.....the superbowl is in a pre-determined neutral site, apples and oranges.

Its about time we went back to some cold weather football. Fucking warm weather princesses.......

It can snow in Dallas, which is why Jerry Jones put a retractable roof on the stadium for big events like the Superbowl.

Again - home field advantage for northern teams is considered very advantageous for a reason. This stigma didn't just invent itself without a good reason. You can argue that this advantage shouldn't be a factor in picking a site, but to say its not an advantage goes against decades of conventional NFL wisdom.

 

[Krazy4Real]

I think that will be very fun to watch while I'm nice and cozy in my warm house sitting on my couch. 🙂

 

[Deeko]

So you quote one recent example of a sloppy poor-weathered game and think that defines a rule? Talk about inane. I never said that bad weather "makes a good game".

It was a recent example. The Superbowl that someone else brought up was another. You didn't say bad weather makes a good game but you did say that some great games were played in bad weather. I countered that weather has made games bad, too, and cited high profile examples.

I'm done arguing about why I'm arguing with you. You already said you aren't much of an NFL fan anyway.

 

[nageov3t]

my dad must be sooooooooooo pissed off that he quit his part-time job at the medowlands stadium last month.

gotta remember to never ever bring it up.

 

[thepd7]

Yes...a game that's sometimes played in poor weather. Not the championship game, that's supposed to be a neutral contest between the NFC/AFC champs.

Some of those "greatest games ever" also had an inherent advantage to the home team, who earned said advantage. There is supposed to be no such thing in the Superbowl.

Bad weather doesn't immediately make it a better game. Do you remember that game on the soggy field in the rain in London? The one that was almost a 0-0 tie? That was a TERRIBLE game.

That was the worst football game I have ever seen. The conditions were absolutely horrid.

I have no problem wiht this. hell, it might even encourage ticket sales to more real fans of the game.

I think fewer VIPs will be as interested in being at the game if it means dressing up in layers and chugging whiskey just to keep warm.

Football is played in the snow for almost half the season. I see no reason for the championship game to be immune from this reality.

Oh yes all the "real", blue collar fans are going to drop $2k per ticket and fly to New York. yup.


This is an absolutely moronic idea. The Super Bowl should rotate between San Diego, Phoenix, Miami, Dallas, Tampa, New Orleans, Houston, and Jacksonville. I don't even like Indy even though they have a dome cause it's so damn cold there but it's acceptable because they have walkways EVERYWHERE. I've been to the old RCA dome 3 times and you can go from the dome to the hotels to the mall without ever walking outdoors.

 

[PimpJuice]

It can snow in Dallas, which is why Jerry Jones put a retractable roof on the stadium for big events like the Superbowl.

Again - home field advantage for northern teams is considered very advantageous for a reason. This stigma didn't just invent itself without a good reason. You can argue that this advantage shouldn't be a factor in picking a site, but to say its not an advantage goes against decades of conventional NFL wisdom.

The dome/warm weather locations have advantages too yet I never heard you mention that the last few decades that the games were held?

warm weather/domes/artificial grass helps passing teams.....I guess you don't mind that advantage. Its about time they took it back to the old days when cold weather was fair play. This is FOOTBALL isn't it? If they wanted it to be played in great weather all the time then they wouldn't play it in the middle of winter. Maybe now some real fans will show up who are willing to sit through some weather to enjoy some football.

Don't you think its kind of stupid to have teams play the entire playoffs in cold weather then turn around and have the superbowl in the opposite conditions EVERY year? I say its fair game to mix it up......obviously your team is at a disadvantage which is why you are so adamant about this. So which team is it?

 

[PimpJuice]

This is an absolutely moronic idea. The Super Bowl should rotate between San Diego, Phoenix, Miami, Dallas, Tampa, New Orleans, Houston, and Jacksonville. .

so you post an even more moronic idea?

Basically in your opinion, football should not be played in the cold? Or just the important ones? Why not have football during the summer then?

The only reason they hold it in warm weather locations is cause of fair weather fans like you who get butthurt by the cold so maybe they should do what you say.

 

[Deeko]

The dome/warm weather locations have advantages too yet I never heard you mention that the last few decades that the games were held?

warm weather/domes/artificial grass helps passing teams.....I guess you don't mind that advantage.

Sure, all advantages should be minimized. However, I'm sure you can fathom that there is a sliding scale of how big an advantage is. Pittsburgh playing in a dome is nowhere near as big a disadvantage as New Orleans playing in the snow.

Its about time they took it back to the old days when cold weather was fair play. This is FOOTBALL isn't it? If they wanted it to be played in great weather all the time then they wouldn't play it in the middle of winter. Maybe now some real fans will show up who are willing to sit through some weather to enjoy some football.

Eh, if Goodell thought it was financially beneficial to move the season to spring/summer, I'm sure he'd lobby for it. I doubt they want playoff games close to baseball's though. He doesn't care about the integrity of the game. He does what he can to make the most money for the owners - which is very contradictory to your last sentence there. The NFL is getting more and more skewed away from these "real fans"

Don't you think its kind of stupid to have teams play the entire playoffs in cold weather then turn around and have the superbowl in the opposite conditions EVERY year? I say its fair game to mix it up......obviously your team is at a disadvantage which is why you are so adamant about this. So which team is it?

The entire playoffs aren't played in the cold. Its not like every game is played at Gillette until the Superbowl. The game is played at the home team's stadium, at a location where they have an advantage (through crowd noise as well as familiarity with the field/conditions), a right which they earn through the regular season. Miami can earn home field advantage in January too.