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New Israeli law

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routan

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-14111925
Despite Israel's aggression towards its neighbors, even I can admit that Israel is a resounding success in the region, especially in the spheres of democracy and freedom of speech.

Laws like this which impinge the country's own citizens is expected from Arab monarchies or other dictatorships. I did not expect this to come from Israel.
 
It isn't an apartheid state. You apparently know nothing about it.

But yeah, this law is an outrage. Hopefully it gets thrown out by the courts there.
 
woolfe9999 said:
It isn't an apartheid state. You apparently know nothing about it.

But yeah, this law is an outrage. Hopefully it gets thrown out by the courts there.
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Either Palestine is part of Israel, in which case it's an Apartheid state, or it's not part of Israel, in which case it's an occupier state. Either way, this idea that Israel is some sort of shining democracy in the Middle East is nothing more than a pipe dream perpetuated by their propaganda machine.
 
senseamp said:
Either Palestine is part of Israel, in which case it's an Apartheid state, or it's not part of Israel, in which case it's an occupier state. Either way, this idea that Israel is some sort of shining democracy in the Middle East is nothing more than a pipe dream perpetuated by their propaganda machine.
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The word "apartheid" is a deliberate comparison with apartheid South Africa. If you are going to make such a comparison, please do so by demonstrating a knowledge of both, then employing logic to do a proper comparison/contrast. Otherwise, your use of the word "apartheid" is just an empty, rhetorical pejorative.

So far as your comments about the state of democracy in Israel, I suspect you have no idea of what you're talking about. Thus far, you have displayed no such knowledge, and I'll continue to assume that to be the case unless or until you demonstrate otherwise.
 
woolfe9999 said:
It isn't an apartheid state. You apparently know nothing about it.

But yeah, this law is an outrage. Hopefully it gets thrown out by the courts there.
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All this shows is that Woolfe is in denial, either Israel is an apartheid State or its not. The overwhelming evidence is that Israel is in fact an apartheid State which woolfe fails to rebut in any factual manner.

Then Woolfe really screws the pooch in asking Israeli courts to throw the law out, when Israeli courts have a total track record of selective enforcement of laws. And can act at the speed of light when dealing with Palestinians, but when dealing with illegal Israeli settlements Israeli courts act even slower than snails. With delays of seven years between court rulings to any enforcement taking longer than seven years typically if ever.

If you Woolfe don't think Israel is a apartheid State, you should assert your case, and logically prove it.
 
Lemon law said:
All this shows is that Woolfe is in denial, either Israel is an apartheid State or its not. The overwhelming evidence is that Israel is in fact an apartheid State which woolfe fails to rebut in any factual manner.

Then Woolfe really screws the pooch in asking Israeli courts to throw the law out, when Israeli courts have a total track record of selective enforcement of laws. And can act at the speed of light when dealing with Palestinians, but when dealing with illegal Israeli settlements Israeli courts act even slower than snails. With delays of seven years between court rulings to any enforcement taking longer than seven years typically if ever.

If you Woolfe don't think Israel is a apartheid State, you should assert your case, and logically prove it.
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As usual you think that by commenting on something you know nothing about that your credibility is going to legitmise senseamps ludicrous position???

Woolfe9999 is correct!!
 
woolfe9999 said:
The word "apartheid" is a deliberate comparison with apartheid South Africa. If you are going to make such a comparison, please do so by demonstrating a knowledge of both, then employing logic to do a proper comparison/contrast. Otherwise, your use of the word "apartheid" is just an empty, rhetorical pejorative.

So far as your comments about the state of democracy in Israel, I suspect you have no idea of what you're talking about. Thus far, you have displayed no such knowledge, and I'll continue to assume that to be the case unless or until you demonstrate otherwise.
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You can continue to assume whatever you want. I am not interested in your assessment of my knowledge.
 
Lemon law said:
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If you Woolfe don't think Israel is a apartheid State, you should assert your case, and logically prove it.
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If you Lemon Law are not a child molester, then you should assert your case, and logically prove it.
 
senseamp said:
If that is your assessment, you can continue to stick to it. No skin off my back.
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Of course, since you have no integrity to protect or defend it doesn't matter when people clearly and accurately call you out. It's assumed that you're wrong. Congratulations on this feat.
 
Let's just agree that those people who hate Israel hate this law, and those who do not hate Israel do not hate this law.

Okay?

Great, now that we have that out of the way, 99% off the comments that would be posted in this thread can be spared.
 
cubby1223 said:
Let's just agree that those people who hate Israel hate this law, and those who do not hate Israel do not hate this law.

Okay?

Great, now that we have that out of the way, 99% off the comments that would be posted in this thread can be spared.
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Except that I don't hate Israel but do hate this law.

You are angling toward a good point here, though. Some of these Israel threads might be more interesting if more people who had opinions that didn't fit an obvious stereotype would step up to the plate.
 
Vic Vega said:
Of course, since you have no integrity to protect or defend it doesn't matter when people clearly and accurately call you out. It's assumed that you're wrong. Congratulations on this feat.
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Opinion, opinion, and another opinion. Again, no skin off my back.
 
woolfe9999 said:
If you Lemon Law are not a child molester, then you should assert your case, and logically prove it.
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What an insulting and illogical thing to say on this thread. After all I have never made any statement pro or con on child molesting, but you Woolfe made a statement you have not even made any effort to defend your allegation that Israel is not an apartheid State.

What you are trying to do is totally dishonest, by bringing up unrelated false issues to deflect your lack of logic.
 
woolfe9999 said:
Except that I don't hate Israel but do hate this law.

You are angling toward a good point here, though. Some of these Israel threads might be more interesting if more people who had opinions that didn't fit an obvious stereotype would step up to the plate.
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+1 :thumbsup:
 
Lemon law said:
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What an insulting and illogical thing to say on this thread. After all I have never made any statement pro or con on child molesting, but you Woolfe made a statement you have not even made any effort to defend your allegation that Israel is not an apartheid State.

What you are trying to do is totally dishonest, by bringing up unrelated false issues to deflect your lack of logic.
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You need to learn something about burden of proof and who owns it. I don't have to prove a negative simply because someone asserts the positive, without proving the positive. You do not meet your burden of proof by mere accusation that Israel is an apartheid state. Hence, I don't need to disprove it because it was never proven to begin with. Similarly, you need not disprove that you are a child molester because no one has presented any evidence that you are.

So no, I have no reason to believe you are a child molester. However, I do have reason to be believe you're a fool. And I submit, respectfully, as evidence of the proposition, the entire archive of your postings on this board.

- wolf
 
OK, woolfe, why don't you tell us, do Jews enjoy same rights as non-Jews under Israeli law? Try to keep a straight face.
 
senseamp said:
OK, woolfe, why don't you tell us, do Jews enjoy same rights as non-Jews under Israeli law? Try to keep a straight face.
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Not playing your game. You made an assertion and I think you should defend it. And your assertion, to be clear, was not "Jews and Arabs do not have 100% equal rights in Israel." It was rather more specific, and more extreme, than that.

Discrimination against some group exists in every society on earth, yet not every society is compared to South Africa under apartheid. If YOU believe that whatever discrimination exists is on that order of magnitude - an extraordinary claim IMO - then you need to justify that comparison. Instead, what you're trying to do is divert attention from the allegation you made, by polarizing the discusison with an implicit straw man - alleging that I claim Israel is 100% free of discrimination and now asking me to justify that. Yet I didn't make that assertion. You have made a positive assertion here. Now defend it.
 
woolfe9999 said:
Not playing your game. You made an assertion and I think you should defend it. And your assertion, to be clear, was not "Jews and Arabs do not have 100% equal rights in Israel." It was rather more specific, and more extreme, than that.

Discrimination against some group exists in every society on earth, yet not every society is compared to South Africa under apartheid. If YOU believe that whatever discrimination exists is on that order of magnitude - an extraordinary claim IMO - then you need to justify that comparison. Instead, what you're trying to do is divert attention from the allegation you made, by polarizing the discusison with an implicit straw man - alleging that I claim Israel is 100% free of discrimination and now asking me to justify that. Yet I didn't make that assertion. You have made a positive assertion here. Now defend it.
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So Israel is not an apartheid state because it's not in South Africa. 😀
 
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