New ipad hits 116 degrees F

[destrekor]

Fanboy much?

Of?

Apple? Ha. I own zero Apple devices, absolutely loathe the company behind them (business-wise), and hardly have had anything but passing interest in their devices.

I give credit where credit is due - they put together good hardware [usually] and make an excellent-looking product to surround that hardware.

 

[kubani1]

i haven't noticed the high temps on mine, but i think i'm probably a light user.

and do people really want to sit and play a game on the ipad for over 30min? i don't get it, then again, i haven't played video games in years.

 

[Brian Stirling]

i haven't noticed the high temps on mine, but i think i'm probably a light user.

and do people really want to sit and play a game on the ipad for over 30min? i don't get it, then again, i haven't played video games in years.

I haven't seen the iPad3 yet let alone play games on it but as I'm not much of a gamer I don't think the heat issue would be that big for me. But, I haven't playe with one so I can't say for sure.

Apple may have been a little early with this iPad and if they'd waited for one more generation of die shrink they might not have needed to push the uP and GPU so hard. Still, the power required for the display is quite a bit higher than the previous version so it would still get a bit warmer than iPad2.


Brian

 

[MrX8503]

Coworker actually returned his because of this. I'm assuming if you use it on your lap it would be quite Annoying. Especially in shorts.

Apple tends to do this though. They like thin with no fans. Macbooks have had heat problems and so did several iMac models.

Style over function I guess wins and they know it does because people just keep buying anyway

Apple does use fans on their desktops and laptops. No one wants a fan on a tablet, lol. "Style over function" is a pretty lame complaint, I think everyone can agree that for the most part Macbooks, iPads, and iMacs have been fine heat wise. Every manufacturer has had their fair share of heat problems too.

 

[Oyeve]

Of?

Apple? Ha. I own zero Apple devices, absolutely loathe the company behind them (business-wise), and hardly have had anything but passing interest in their devices.

I give credit where credit is due - they put together good hardware [usually] and make an excellent-looking product to surround that hardware.

Twas a joke, but they do make a decent product, most of the time. Still have bad bad memories of the cube, mirror drive mac, the lamp, 1st gen ipod, ibook.

 

[Brian Stirling]

You need the back light to be more powerful to get the same effective brightness. Remember that the sub-pixels don't generate any light in this screen, they either block it or let it through. If the "hole" for the light takes up a smaller proportion of the screen then the light needs to be brighter.

OK, for an IPS display that's no doubt true -- was thinking it was AMOLED/SMAOLED...

I wonder why it was done this way. Did Samsung knowingly build it this way to force greater drain from an Apple product? Hey, Apple fans what do you think? :biggrin:

Brian

 

[MrX8503]

OK, for an IPS display that's no doubt true -- was thinking it was AMOLED/SMAOLED...

I wonder why it was done this way. Did Samsung knowingly build it this way to force greater drain from an Apple product? Hey, Apple fans what do you think? :biggrin:

Brian

As I understand it, OLED pixels emit light directly, so there isn't backlighting. Since the iPad3 pixels are so small, Apple had to increase the backlighting for it to show through. This of course created an extremely power hungry display.

I don't think Samsung built it this way, its just the nature of LCD. Had there been a high pixel density AMOLED, Apple would have gone that route.

 

[Brian Stirling]

As I understand it, OLED pixels emit light directly, so there isn't backlighting. Since the iPad3 pixels are so small, Apple had to increase the backlighting for it to show through. This of course created an extremely power hungry display.

I don't think Samsung built it this way, its just the nature of LCD. Had there been a high pixel density AMOLED, Apple would have gone that route.

I think the fact that the black/blank area is relatively greater and it's an IPS display causes an increase in power for the back light, but not by the amount this display is eating. If the values refered to by Senseamp are accurate the new display isn't eating 20% more but more than 150% more and that can't be explained by the size of the pixels or the ratio of pixel area to display area. But, in the same review it points out that the new display has a much better (larger) gamut and that might well require more power for a better back light (spectral better).


Brian

 

[runawayprisoner]

Apparently, Consumer Reports is about the only one who is getting that kind of temperature:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=confirmed-new-ipads-heat-a-non-issu-2012-03

 

[Mopetar]

Unless anyone tests multiple units its hard to say how much it varies from iPad to iPad. We know that some use different components from different manufacturers and there are probably a few units that do get quite hot due to some combination of different components or other problems during assembly.

 

[runawayprisoner]

While that may be the case, the fact is that Consumer Reports falsely implied a problem that doesn't exist. Like I have mentioned twice, even in their own test, the iPad 2 is only 12F less warm.

 

[kaerflog]

Apple does use fans on their desktops and laptops. No one wants a fan on a tablet, lol. "Style over function" is a pretty lame complaint, I think everyone can agree that for the most part Macbooks, iPads, and iMacs have been fine heat wise. Every manufacturer has had their fair share of heat problems too.

YUP. I have an 11" MBA and it never got close to the heat I'm getting from my IPad3.
Of course I don't play games on my MBA either.

 

[kaerflog]

i haven't noticed the high temps on mine, but i think i'm probably a light user.

and do people really want to sit and play a game on the ipad for over 30min? i don't get it, then again, i haven't played video games in years.

Surprisingly, an iPad is a pretty damm good gaming machine.
I can see getting a bluetooth controller and play some great games on here.
I think phones and tablet will overtake gaming consoles as the prefered gaming system in the near future. It has already begun.

 

[dagamer34]

Surprisingly, an iPad is a pretty damm good gaming machine.
I can see getting a bluetooth controller and play some great games on here.
I think phones and tablet will overtake gaming consoles as the prefered gaming system in the near future. It has already begun.

Casual gaming, maybe, but i think you're theory is clouded by the fact that this generations hardware is 7 years old and still shows no signs of bring updated this year. I don't think you can compare Angry Birds with the graphics you can get from the Unreal Engine Samaritain demo.

 

[Rottie]

no plan for recall?

 

[Brian Stirling]

no plan for recall?

There will be no recall!

It is functioning the way Apple expects it to. Before long this will become a "feature".

Welcome to the iHeatingPad -- good for all your aches and pains... :biggrin:


Brian

 

[T_Yamamoto]

^LOL

Well apple does do recalls if it is a big problem, they are recalling first gen nanos because of their batteries.

 

[cheezy321]

Lol a recall. Its a feature guys!

 

[Red Storm]

Casual gaming, maybe, but i think you're theory is clouded by the fact that this generations hardware is 7 years old and still shows no signs of bring updated this year. I don't think you can compare Angry Birds with the graphics you can get from the Unreal Engine Samaritain demo.

Graphics don't make games, game play does. However, most mobile games are pretty light when it comes to actual game play, so there would need to be improvement on that front as well. I think we need to see Apple or Google or somebody release an official controller for their mobile OS, and that will help pave the way for devs to jump on bandwagon and start offering games with a bit more depth to them.

 

[Super56K]

I've used the ipad 3rd gen a lot over the last week, and have not noticed any excessive heat. A few days ago at work I was handed a Toshiba (i think) netbook that wasn't connecting to wifi. I grasped the front edge and had my hand underneath for support, and that thing was HOT to the touch. It was actually borderline uncomfortable.

That said though I don't have much comparison with older iPads. I sold my 1st gen a few months ago, and kept it in a thick hard rubber case so I never felt any warmth from it through the case. I never owned the 2nd gen model.

 

[dagamer34]

Graphics don't make games, game play does. However, most mobile games are pretty light when it comes to actual game play, so there would need to be improvement on that front as well. I think we need to see Apple or Google or somebody release an official controller for their mobile OS, and that will help pave the way for devs to jump on bandwagon and start offering games with a bit more depth to them.

The GPU in the iPhone 4S is probably PS2 quality, but I have yet to see any games that even come close to matching the breadth/depth offered in the PS2's game library. Why? It's not that the power isn't there, but spending $10+ million on a game that costs 99 cents means you need to sell 14 million copies just to break even. And then when you take a look at games like Angry Birds or Draw Something where time put it != money coming out, it would be foolish to invest that kind of money in ONE game.

The problem isn't controls, it's the fact that just about every popular game sells for 99 cents, and spending a ton of money on a game does not guarantee more revenue in a volume driven "social" market.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Wow people are calling for a recall over this?

 

[SP33Demon]

Apparently, Consumer Reports is about the only one who is getting that kind of temperature:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=confirmed-new-ipads-heat-a-non-issu-2012-03

They tested it for 45 minutes, that's not a long period of time. If they tested for the normal length of a movie (2X that time) then it'd be "scientific". Testing for 15 and 45 minutes isn't thorough.

 

[cheezy321]

Wow people are calling for a recall over this?

I think the only people really saying that are the hardcore apple haters. Everyone else is laughing this off.

 

[senseamp]

They won't and shouldn't recall unless it's a safety issue. That said, a 7 watt display in a mobile device is pushing it.