New iMac G5 on Apple.com

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: mooojojojo

Russian - you're comapring the iMac to a 30 pound computer with a separate monitor.. that's just not right. Also - how is the new LCD better than the old one? I would guess they use the exact same panel.

Oh yeah you are right i was thinking of the old iMac (you guys call it the cube?) my friend had (CRT with all the components inside) from like 3 years ago. Now I know what the old imac looks like (i was just thinking too far back). In that case, I think the old one looked cooler and it had that pivoting "arm" of sorts so you can easily adjust the LCD screen whichever way you liked right? In that case I liked that one better.

Alright alright i see what you guys mean, I was just thinking better investment for your money type of deal. I understand that versatility and size are an issue with the computer setup I posted. You can always put it in a Shuttle box or some other SFF...and hide that beneath your desk. Still for that much $$$, you can get a 1.6 centrino laptop I bet. That will be compact, and you'll be able to carry it around, and it will be wireless hehe..

 

[Eug]

Originally posted by: mooojojojo
Eug - yes.. that's just what I was wondering, whether they did it in the cube. So does that mean that the new iMac is a fanless design as well? I haven't read through all the texts yet..

They say there are three "ultra-quiet" fans. The Apple site has pix of the internals too. Very clean design inside. No wires anywhere. BTW, the hard drive is SATA.

 

[mooojojojo]

Russian - well no. We don't call the old iMac the Cube. The Cube was a separate computer (kinda like SFF) and a fanless design.
The oldest iMac was kinda like the current eMac. And the previous 'new' iMac (i.e. the flower or lamp iMac) was the one with the arm. Yes, I kinda liked that one better too.

Now the laptop comparison is more inline with the discussion than the A64 desktop.

 

[newParadigm]

iMac G5 Upgrade Options

You can up the Memopry and the Processor.

 

[mooojojojo]

Paradime - the Processor? And sure you can up the memory. Imagine if you couldn't.

 

[Eug]

You can also upgrade the hard drive. 250 GB max. Also, there's a Bluetooth and 802.11g option, along with Bluetooth keyboard and mouse. And of course, there is wall mountability.

Does anyone know where to get VESA wall mounts in Toronto?

 

[mooojojojo]

Eug, where's the wallmountable bit? I'm having trouble finding it. Wouldn't that get in the way of the hot-air-slit on the back, or perhaps there are some kind of standoffs to allow a bit of room between the iMac and the wall?

Edit - oh - and most important of all - all the ports are located on the back, so there must be some kind of standoffs.

 

[Aganack1]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
i don't use macs much, how does osx run on 256? the specs do say its upgradable to 2gb though. btw where does it say its not upgradable though? says agp 8x.

it uses an agp bus, but the video card is more like a laptop card in that i connects directly to the monitor. no dvi cable. If you buy one your stuck.

Originally posted by: dullard
If you think that is uninspired and lacks character, look at what Dell has been selling for a few months. Going by looks alone, the new iMac is far better even though the design concept was similar. Of course put a mouse, keyboard, and printer attached to either computer and the whole design concept is ruined.

If you got the Bluetooth card and the bluetooth keyboard mouse and printer you never have to see them unless you are using them. I think the design concept is sound... i just wish they had ditched the cheesy white plastic... the aluminum looks much better.

Its not fanless if you go to the imac design webpage it shows the computer witht he back pannel off. I looks like maybe 1 or 2 fans... at 25db it should have one fan...

They should have placed the inputs on the bottom of the panel not on the back... it would be such a pain to plug anything into it. could you imagine pluging in your headphones everytime you wanted to hear sound(because you couldn't leave them pluged in... you spent the extra $600 for the clean lines)

 

[BullsOnParade]

OMG the designs of this guy are too cool for shoes http://www.applele.com/home/picture_f_hipod_r01a.html

flip through that series unF'ing believable, even if they are only concepts.

As for the new iMac G5, its clever, but i really dont like the squared off ultra minimal look, the bottom bezel portion is what
kills it for me. I was a little iffy about the new lcd panels, they just seem a bit too harsh with the straight edges and boxy look.
but the brushed aluminium softened it a bit made it more industrial. the same squared off look on plastic looks silly. anyway at least
they're moving forward.

 

[Coherence]

As far as the lack of upgradable graphics, when looking at the (very small) internal image, I thought I saw something that looked similar to Alienware's upgradable graphics cards for their laptop gaming systems.

That probably wishful thinking, though. Maybe on the next iMac. Shame that Apple didn't have more foresight.

 

[RichieZ]

imo this thing is horrendously ugly, teh blank space at the bottom makes it look like a55, it totally negates the widescreen look. The only good thing is hopefully they are now closer to jamming a g5 into a powerbook, here's hoping we'll see it at MWSF

 

[Aganack1]

Coherence-- that would be very cool if it had something simular to the Alienware graphic cards. I acctually have never heard of it before.

I love the look of the apple laptops... i hope they come out with a g5 version soon.

 

[Eug]

Originally posted by: mooojojojo
Eug, where's the wallmountable bit? I'm having trouble finding it. Wouldn't that get in the way of the hot-air-slit on the back, or perhaps there are some kind of standoffs to allow a bit of room between the iMac and the wall?

Here:

Modern Art Installation

The iMac offers the smallest footprint ever, but you can make that zero with an optional VESA mount. Hang it from the wall or swing it around on your desk.

Edit - oh - and most important of all - all the ports are located on the back, so there must be some kind of standoffs.

Many VESA mounts are not flush against the wall. I'm looking at this one for CAD$110 (US$85). It can hold 30 lbs, which is fine for the 18.5 lb iMac 17". (We need a computer for our conference room at work.)

 

[0roo0roo]

but just look at the screen specs.

Display
17-inch (viewable) widescreen TFT active-matrix LCD, 1440 x 900 pixels, millions of colors

20-inch (viewable) widescreen TFT active-matrix LCD, 1680 x 1050 pixels, millions of colors

just how much do those cost separately?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I think it's gorgeous, though I agree the specs are a little thin, especially on the high-end model. Much cleaner and more handsome than the old one (which also looked great) IMO.

 

[0roo0roo]

ok i looked on froogle a bit. apparently u can't buy a 1440 x 900 17" lcd for a pc at any cost lol

 

[Hugenstein]

Originally posted by: Eug

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
The look of it is not so bad. I think it certainly is better than the old one since it takes up less room and has a much better LCD display.

But...Apple is still THE biggest ripoff there is.

For $1899, you can get Dell 2001 LCd screen - Roughly $800
Then for $1000 you can get A64 3200+, a nice Thermaltake Tsunami case, 6800GT and 1 gig of ram.

So why do people buy apple again? I just dont get it.

So you're trying to compare a 2" think wall-mountable iMac G5 with a machine that uses the monster Thermaltake Tsunami case?

Originally posted by: mooojojojo
Eug - yeah, the cooling is pretty slick. You did not mention the intake on the bottom though. Seems pretty straight forward but I'm not sure anyone else uses the bottom>top cooling approach?

Apple did, with their original Cube.

I took some heat over at Neowin.net for comparing the iMac to a laptop(Compaq R3000z) to be exact. Their is no winning when trying to argue a point with a zealot. By the way, the laptop smacks the iMac on everything except screen size and hard drive size and speed, and at the same cost.

 

[Eug]

The standalone 20" widescreen LCDs cost an arm and a leg actually. If you want a 20" and you're OK with the crappy video card (ie. non-gamer), then the G5 iMac is a reasonable option.

Anyways, check my sig for more comments on this iMac G5 release.

 

[mooojojojo]

Hugenstein, well what is there to a computer other than screen size, hard drive size and SPEED. I mean come on, if it wasn't for those things, everyone would be using a laptop right now. Hell - some people are doing it right now - with external LCDs, Firewire storage plugged-in when not on the move etc.

BTW - looking at http://www.applele.com/home/picture_b_himac_r14a.html I can't help it but think that this Isamu guy did know something about the iMac in advance. Cooling, cable management on the back, the basic front layout (dominated by the large logo)m optical drive location.

 

[Hugenstein]

Originally posted by: mooojojojo
Hugenstein, well what is there to a computer other than screen size, hard drive size and SPEED. I mean come on, if it wasn't for those things, everyone would be using a laptop right now. Hell - some people are doing it right now - with external LCDs, Firewire storage plugged-in when not on the move etc.

BTW - looking at http://www.applele.com/home/picture_b_himac_r14a.html I can't help it but think that this Isamu guy did know something about the iMac in advance. Cooling, cable management on the back, the basic front layout (dominated by the large logo)m optical drive location.

that was hard drive size and hard drive speed(4200rpm in the laptop vs. 7200 RPM in the iMac), not overall speed. I think the AMD 64 3400+ would give a fairly nice sized spanking to a 1.6ghz G5.

 

[0roo0roo]

not really, the g5's are closer to opterons then u'd think

 

[mooojojojo]

Hugen - you mean an AMD64 3400+ Mobile? If yes - how much does a laptop with that chip cost?

 

[Eug]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
not really, the g5's are closer to opterons then u'd think

Actually an A64 3400+ would spank the G5 1.6.

That said, I have yet to see ANY all-in-one A64 3400+ system as well thought out as the G5 iMac.

 

[magomago]

I do the older design better~ but this may end up being a very good option for people who are extremely cramped...

 

[Hugenstein]

Originally posted by: mooojojojo
Hugen - you mean an AMD64 3400+ Mobile? If yes - how much does a laptop with that chip cost?

Compaq Presario R3000Z

Microsoft(R) Windows(R) XP Home Edition
AMD Athlon(TM) 64 3400+ 2.20 GHz
15.4" WVA WUXGA (1920x1200)
64MB NVIDIA(R) GeForce(TM) 4 440 Go +1394 & 5-in-1
256MB DDR SDRAM (1x256MB)
60GB 4200 RPM Hard Drive
8X DVD Drive
54g(TM) Broadcom 802.11b/g WLAN !!
Microsoft(R) Works/Money
12 Cell Lithium Ion Battery

$1254 - $100 rebate (I think there is a $25 off coupon for hpshopping.com too)
that leaves $150 to upgrade to an internal dvd burner if you really wanted it.


My basic point why buy an inferior desktop computer, when you could get a laptop for the same price and be able to use it everywhere.