New higher minimum wage laws includes waiters. Time to lower tips to 10%?

[JEDI]

more and more cities/states are not waiting for the federal govt and are implementing new minimum wage laws that also includes waiters.

now that waiters will be making/exceeding the federal minimum, do you think it's time to eliminate the antiquated custom of tipping?

ie:
lowering tips to 10% would be a start in cities/states that increased the server minimum wage.

 

[superstition]

Sure. It's not like restaurant owners haven't kept inflating food prices. Let them pay their employees.

The local Indian restaurant in my town has the following prices:

vegetarian curry: $15
chicken curry: $16-18
iced tea: $3
paneer pakora: $9 (and very small)
naan bread: $3 to $6

Chicken dinners for four, four iced teas, four breads, and two appetizers: $115

 

[FIVR]

I will have to use this wage increase as an opportunity to pay less for food. Those damn greedy waiters are always flaunting their cash, acting like I owe them something for them serving me food. Sorry, but I already payed your employer and thus have paid for service. Get out of my face and bring me more onion rings. Oh, and you better look attractive while you do it, too.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Ugh what's with this forums obsession over tips?
Just tip what you feel is appropriate even if that's zero.

 

[superstition]

Ugh what's with this forums obsession over tips?
Just tip what you feel is appropriate even if that's zero.

Tipping is a demeaning archaic practice. People should not have to act in a servile manner (i.e. jump through flaming hoops in miniskirts) to make a few bucks.

It's especially bad for pizza delivery people in university towns because young people tend to be cheap just like old people — nor should customers have to be pressed for cash during the time they're paying for.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Tipping is a demeaning archaic practice. People should not have to act in a servile manner (i.e. jump through flaming hoops in miniskirts) to make a few bucks.

It's especially bad for pizza delivery people in university towns because young people tend to be cheap just like old people — nor should customers have to be pressed for cash during the time they're paying for.

But yet people still take the jobs. What are your thoughts on commission based employees.
Take note this isn't saying don't tip, just do what you are comfortable with.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I will have to use this wage increase as an opportunity to pay less for food. Those damn greedy waiters are always flaunting their cash, acting like I owe them something for them serving me food. Sorry, but I already payed your employer and thus have paid for service. Get out of my face and bring me more onion rings. Oh, and you better look attractive while you do it, too.

"I regularly give massive tips because I'm a sucker for feeling good about myself and looking generous in public, but screw all those other guys making minimum wage"

 

[FIVR]

Does it occur to anyone that perhaps the concept of a Tip exists to exert a unique amount of customer/server leverage in the otherwise normal business transaction of buying food? If the waiter is no longer payed at least somewhat in relation to his own job performance (which will likely vary much more than other "non service" jobs, such as merely bussing plates or valet parking) won't his/her performance be allowed to suffer or excel without any change in their wage?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Sure. It's not like restaurant owners haven't kept inflating food prices. Let them pay their employees.

The local Indian restaurant in my town has the following prices:

vegetarian curry: $15
chicken curry: $16-18
iced tea: $3
paneer pakora: $9 (and very small)
naan bread: $3 to $6

Chicken dinners for four, four iced teas, four breads, and two appetizers: $115

wow, where is "local" for you? NYC, LA or Chitown?

 

[superstition]

But yet people still take the jobs.

That's not an adequate ethical standard. I can make a really long list of examples but it boils down to the tyranny of money.

What are your thoughts on commission based employees. Take note this isn't saying don't tip, just do what you are comfortable with.

I don't think people should ever have to grovel for money and I don't think people should be pressured to part with theirs.

I believe in people being treated with respect and dignity. I don't believe in "one nation under net worth". The only objective profit is contributing to the betterment of humanity (which includes protecting the global ecosystem).

 

[superstition]

Does it occur to anyone that perhaps the concept of a Tip exists to exert a unique amount of customer/server leverage in the otherwise normal business transaction of buying food?

Yes, like paying prostitutes. If you don't pay most prostitutes they're not going to put out.

 

[brycejones]

more and more cities/states are not waiting for the federal govt and are implementing new minimum wage laws that also includes waiters.

now that waiters will be making/exceeding the federal minimum, do you think it's time to eliminate the antiquated custom of tipping?

ie:
lowering tips to 10% would be a start in cities/states that increased the server minimum wage.

No

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Does it occur to anyone that perhaps the concept of a Tip exists to exert a unique amount of customer/server leverage in the otherwise normal business transaction of buying food? If the waiter is no longer payed at least somewhat in relation to his own job performance (which will likely vary much more than other "non service" jobs, such as merely bussing plates or valet parking) won't his/her performance be allowed to suffer or excel without any change in their wage?

When the waiter spits into the food knowing he's delivering to a no-tipper, people think "Well duh, serves him right for being a cheapass". When the cook spits into the food because he's simply anti-social, people think "omgwtfbbq I'm never eating there again!" and the CEO has to make a personal PR statement about how disgusted he is and how the actions of that one rogue employee in no way represent his great restaurant. Why should the customer be forced to keep the workers in check and not the employer?

 

[Ns1]

Pay living wages and get rid of tipping entirely.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

That's not an adequate ethical standard. I can make a really long list of examples but it boils down to the tyranny of money.

I don't think people should ever have to grovel for money and I don't think people should be pressured to part with theirs.

I believe in people being treated with respect and dignity. I don't believe in "one nation under net worth". The only objective profit is contributing to the betterment of humanity (which includes protecting the global ecosystem).

I've sold stuff for decades and I don't feel I've ever had to grovel. Someone who has to do that is just a bad fit for the job or product.
I've had bad and tough goals, I've had bad comp plans but I've never been expected to grovel to hit goal. Point is if you have to grovel you're doing it wrong and should reevaluate.

 

[superstition]

I've sold stuff for decades and I don't feel I've ever had to grovel. Someone who has to do that is just a bad fit for the job or product.
I've had bad and tough goals, I've had bad comp plans but I've never been expected to grovel to hit goal.

Some prostitutes are happy with their work, too. I know it's rude to say this to any American but working for money is prostitution. That is working for money, of course, not playing around and getting money in return. Working for money is when you're spending your life doing something you wouldn't choose to do if not for the inducement of payment. You are selling yourself for money.

All working for money is prostitution. Some are just in better positions than others. High-class prostitutes can fly on private jets to exotic locales where they feast on fine wine and caviar in their minks. Low-class prostitutes... well.. I think people know what their lives can be like. The job is the same, though.

The precise "benefit" in terms of service quality from tipping wait staff is the groveling factor. For some people like myself, it's not something I enjoy being part of.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Does it occur to anyone that perhaps the concept of a Tip exists to exert a unique amount of customer/server leverage in the otherwise normal business transaction of buying food? If the waiter is no longer payed at least somewhat in relation to his own job performance (which will likely vary much more than other "non service" jobs, such as merely bussing plates or valet parking) won't his/her performance be allowed to suffer or excel without any change in their wage?

It's supposed to work that way, but these days it doesn't matter if the service is good or bad, everyone expects a 20% tip.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Some prostitutes are happy with their work, too. I know it's rude to say this to any American but working for money is prostitution. That is working for money, of course, not playing around and getting money in return. Working for money is when you're spending your life doing something you wouldn't choose to do if not for the inducement of payment. You are selling yourself for money.

All working for money is prostitution. Some are just in better positions than others. High-class prostitutes can fly on private jets to exotic locales where they feast on fine wine and cavier in their minks. Low-class prostitutes... well.. I think people know what their lives can be like.

The precise "benefit" in terms of service quality from tipping wait staff is the groveling factor. For some people like myself, it's not something I enjoy being part of.

I'd like to eat bacon & eggs every morning, a double cheese burger & fries every lunch and a Pot Roast for dinner followed up with a pint of ice cream. This is not a sustainable plan. I'd like everyone to agree with everything I do or say, this isn't sustainable plan either. We all need to do some stuff we don't want to do.

 

[1sikbITCH]

more and more cities/states are not waiting for the federal govt and are implementing new minimum wage laws that also includes waiters.

now that waiters will be making/exceeding the federal minimum, do you think it's time to eliminate the antiquated custom of tipping?

ie:
lowering tips to 10% would be a start in cities/states that increased the server minimum wage.

Tipping is so they don't spit in your food or wipe it on the floor first. If that is worth saving a couple of bucks, have at it

 

[imported_tajmahal]

I tip between 5% - 50% depending where I am and how good I think the service is. I'm happy to let the servers know how much I appreciate their work and how well they do their job and if they go out of their way to make things nice for my family and I. I worked service industry early in my life as did my parents and grandparents. WTF is wrong with some of you folks treating working people like trash?

 

[Ns1]

I tip between 5% - 50% depending where I am and how good I think the service is. I'm happy to let the servers know how much I appreciate their work and how well they do their job and if they go out of their way to make things nice for my family and I. I worked service industry early in my life as did my parents and grandparents. WTF is wrong with some of you folks treating working people like trash?

Why do you only do this for servers and not for anyone else you meet? I mean that homie at McDonalds would love to earn an extra 18% for every person that he talked to.

And seriously, 5%? What is wrong with you, treating working people like trash?

 

[Sinsear]

WTF is wrong with some of you folks treating working people like trash?

Because they're cheap. Cheap people suck.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I tip 10% at a buffet and 15%-20% at normal restaurants depending on the quality of services recieved.

 

[LevelSea]

Tipping is discriminatory and you'd think the SJWs would be all over it. Tiffany spills your drink and forgot an appetizer, oh well, here's 30% because you've got double Ds. Jamal gets 12% because he's well spoken and you don't want your date to think you dislike black people. Pablo's grinding in the back of a hot kitchen so you can enjoy your overpriced risotto, but fuck him, this is a service industry and he's not a server.

 

[superstition]

I'd like to eat bacon & eggs every morning, a double cheese burger & fries every lunch and a Pot Roast for dinner followed up with a pint of ice cream. This is not a sustainable plan. I'd like everyone to agree with everything I do or say, this isn't sustainable plan either. We all need to do some stuff we don't want to do.

That doesn't have anything specifically to do with selling oneself for money.