new HD2600 XT benchmarks

[nyker96]

EDIT 1: Just read that this baby is shipping starting today to AMD's partners, so we should probably see it in retail like in couple of weeks so like toward end of this month. Of course all complain aside if they price this 65nm part correctly I'd be happy to consider it over an older generation card.

Here's some benchs on this card I came across, doesn't look too good:

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I wonder what's up with this new generation of DX10 parts, only 8800s seems to be like a generation
ahead of the older stuff, eveything else like 8600s, HD2600s are all like a generation behind can't even
keep up with the older cards and are selling at a premium as well. While 8800s are just edging into
500/600 range. There aren't much compelling reason to choose the new cards anymore. Adding to the
fact that DX10 games are no where to be found. I think they will have to wait until Xmas to push those
DX10 parts, at present, the value segment cards don't got much value in them.

 

[coolpurplefan]

Hahah! I took a gamble when I bought my HIS X1650 XT iSilence II and I guess I probably gained something from not waiting for the HD2600 XT. Or, actually, I should say I probably saved some money.

 

[RussianSensation]

Remember 8600 > 7600/7900 so it must be better! and HD means High Definition gaming !

What do you mean 8600 is slower than 7600? No way! It has new unified shader tech thingy. Not to mention my HD 2900XTX has 1 Gig of ram, so take that GTX.

For instance, a person walks into Futureshop or BestBuy in Canada. They are going to be told:

1) Vista is the future - Vista is DX10
2) This is Geforce 8 and all other Geforce cards don't support DX10
3) Therefore, you must have DX10 card if you want to play "latest" and future games!
4) The customer wont disagree with this statement and wont really care for benchmarks. Think about it a manual 535 bmw with twin-turbo 300hp will be just as fast if not faster than a 550 360hp automatic car. But people will buy it because it says 550 on the badge and it has more horsepower so it must be faster. Similary 48 shader pipes sounds a lot better than 16 pipeline X1950XT card, wouldnt you agree ?

 

[swtethan]

more and more disappointment

 

[swtethan]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
Remember 8600 > 7600/7900 so it must be better! and HD means High Definition gaming !

What do you mean 8600 is slower than 7600? No way! It has new unified shader tech thingy. Not to mention my HD 2900XTX has 1 Gig of ram, so take that GTX.

For instance, a person walks into Futureshop or BestBuy in Canada. They are going to be told:

1) Vista is the future - Vista is DX10
2) This is Geforce 8 and all other Geforce cards don't support DX10
3) Therefore, you must have DX10 card if you want to play "latest" and future games!
4) The customer wont disagree with this statement and wont really care for benchmarks. Think about it a manual 535 bmw with twin-turbo 300hp will be just as fast if not faster than a 550 360hp automatic car. But people will buy it because it says 550 on the badge and it has more horsepower so it must be faster. Similary 48 shader pipes sounds a lot better than 16 pipeline X1950XT card, wouldnt you agree ?

obviously you have not seen the numbers for a 550i

 

[rmed64]

This has to be a joke...... right?!

Wow, ATI, what did you do?

Why do they keep severely bottlenecking their video cards for? What is the matter with them?

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: swtethan

obviously you have not seen the numbers for a 550i

What does BMW's new twin-turbo 3.0-liter inline-6 engine do for the 5 Series? This 2008 BMW 535i test car with an automatic transmission effectively equaled the acceleration of a 2006 BMW 550i equipped with a manual transmission. The 535i's 5.5-second acceleration to 60 mph proves a sedan doesn't need the 550i's V8 engine to be quick.

Source: Edmunds

 

[nyker96]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
Remember 8600 > 7600/7900 so it must be better! and HD means High Definition gaming !

What do you mean 8600 is slower than 7600? No way! It has new unified shader tech thingy. Not to mention my HD 2900XTX has 1 Gig of ram, so take that GTX.

For instance, a person walks into Futureshop or BestBuy in Canada. They are going to be told:

1) Vista is the future - Vista is DX10
2) This is Geforce 8 and all other Geforce cards don't support DX10
3) Therefore, you must have DX10 card if you want to play "latest" and future games!
4) The customer wont disagree with this statement and wont really care for benchmarks. Think about it a manual 535 bmw with twin-turbo 300hp will be just as fast if not faster than a 550 360hp automatic car. But people will buy it because it says 550 on the badge and it has more horsepower so it must be faster. Similary 48 shader pipes sounds a lot better than 16 pipeline X1950XT card, wouldnt you agree ?

I don't understand everything you said here (esp. with cars) but I agree with the message, every ad nowadays is pushing DX10 as the selling point for these mediocre "nextgen" cards. Hey as long as they all make a tidy profit why do they care about how these things really perform.

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: nyker96

I don't understand everything you said here (esp. with cars) but I agree with the message, every ad nowadays is pushing DX10 as the selling point for these mediocre "nextgen" cards. Hey as long as they all make a tidy profit why do they care about how these things really perform.

In my opinion marketing has a significant impact on the average person's purchasing decisions. In other words, a consumer sees a card with a higher # being 8600 and will not even question that 8500GT might be slower than 7600GT. Similarly Geforce 8 is better than Geforce 7 since its newer generation card. The car comparison was there to show you that everyone *knows* 550i is better than 535i but actual real world performance numbers tell us otherwise.

Not everyone out there goes and does their research before making purchasing decisions. I bet a lot of consumers will be more than satisfied with 8600GTS even though X1950Pro is faster at lower prices. Why? Because if the game runs at 120fps vs. 85 fps, they wont know the difference. I also doubt many people even know what AA/AF are or how to use the graphics cards' control panel. But when they buy $1000 desktop, spending $200 on a graphics card seems "normal." That doesn't mean a consumer buying $1000 desktop is any more educated.

 

[f4phantom2500]

so basically...these new cards suck and people are stupid.

 

[coolpurplefan]

lol, ATI is in denial or something. Either that, or they have focus groups that know what the consumer wants and we're the ones who are stupid. lol

I just know they must be gunning for the refresh cards. More sales for them I guess.

 

[Fenixgoon]

i wonder what its pricing will be. and hopefully THG will do another massive video card review when all the DX10 cards are out. i have an x850XT, but some of these new midrange cards STILL aren't that much better

 

[nemesismk2]

It looks like I will be keeping my Radeon x1950 XT and x1950 Pro for a while longer!

 

[Matt2]

I can't say I'm surprised.

Just another reason for people to spend the extra $60 and grab an 8800GTS 320mb.

Both 8600GT/S and HD2600XT are easily the worst buy anyone could make right now. If you're sitting on the fence with a $200 budget, I say avoid these cards like the plague. Either wait for actual DX10 games or just get a X1950Pro or XT and call it a day.

EDIT: I wonder how much these will cost? IMO anything over $150 is highway robbery.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

WTF? :thumbsdown:

This is it? And I thought the 8600 cards were a joke, wow! What a worthless POS

Heres hoping Intel comes up with something impressive next year

 

[TanisHalfElven]

Originally posted by: Matt2
I can't say I'm surprised.

Just another reason for people to spend the extra $60 and grab an 8800GTS 320mb.

Both 8600GT/S and HD2600XT are easily the worst buy anyone could make right now. If you're sitting on the fence with a $200 budget, I say avoid these cards like the plague. Either wait for actual DX10 games or just get a X1950Pro or XT and call it a day.

EDIT: I wonder how much these will cost? IMO anything over $150 is highway robbery.

8800gts 320 isn;t all that great either. hit the memory limit (most new games with high res testures) and a x1950pro 512mb will be faster.

thats what budget cards are.

 

[nemesismk2]

Originally posted by: Matt2
I can't say I'm surprised.

Just another reason for people to spend the extra $60 and grab an 8800GTS 320mb.

Both 8600GT/S and HD2600XT are easily the worst buy anyone could make right now. If you're sitting on the fence with a $200 budget, I say avoid these cards like the plague. Either wait for actual DX10 games or just get a X1950Pro or XT and call it a day.

EDIT: I wonder how much these will cost? IMO anything over $150 is highway robbery.

My thoughts are that NO current DX10 video card even the 8800 Ultra is going to be good enough for DX10.

 

[Killrose]

Good thing they did not turn on AF or AA.

 

[Fenixgoon]

time to wait for the 2650xt and 29xx GT as well as refreshes by nvidia, most likely. i'm pretty stuck because i want DX10 but for a DX10 card, there is a DX9 card at the same price point (barring 8800GTX) that is superior

 

[Cookie Monster]

Well are they going to say that the HD2600XT is targeting the 8600GT or the 8[5]00GT?

Fantastic HTPC material.. horrible gaming material at good IQ/performance, but wouldnt be that bad for lanparty suited PCs or just for casual gamers (which is probably the rest of the world).

Its not like the 6600GT played everything at high res/AA/AF

 

[RussianSensation]

Things are going to get very interesting once 7950GT and X1950GT/Pro/XT dry up in the sale channels.

Before this was never a problem since Geforce 4 4200 > GeForce 3 Ti 500, 6600GT > 9800XT, 7600GT > X850XT.

But if previous high end NV and ATI disappear, the market will have a massive range of garbage from $30-$200 with nothing worthwhile to purchase at all. I wouldn't be surprised if 8800GTS 320 became discontinued and 8800GTS 640 (or its refresh) took up the same price point of $250, still leaving nothing worthwhile in the sub $200 range.

Oh the horror!

About the only thing to get excited about this summer is $266 Core 2 Quad

 

[Munky]

Those benches look fishy to me. It's odd that all the cards fall neatly into the same performance pattern in every game they tested. Usually Ati cards do better in Chaos Theory, maybe the reviewers forgot about that. Anyway, if these numbers are true, then it's bad news for AMD.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven

Originally posted by: Matt2
I can't say I'm surprised.

Just another reason for people to spend the extra $60 and grab an 8800GTS 320mb.

Both 8600GT/S and HD2600XT are easily the worst buy anyone could make right now. If you're sitting on the fence with a $200 budget, I say avoid these cards like the plague. Either wait for actual DX10 games or just get a X1950Pro or XT and call it a day.

EDIT: I wonder how much these will cost? IMO anything over $150 is highway robbery.

8800gts 320 isn;t all that great either. hit the memory limit (most new games with high res testures) and a x1950pro 512mb will be faster.

thats what budget cards are.

That's true, but only on high resolutions. If someone wanted to use 1280x1024, wouldn't they be better off spending a little more money to get the performance of 8800GTS 320mb over what we see in the benchmarks above?

 

[Nightmare225]

Originally posted by: nemesismk2

Originally posted by: Matt2
I can't say I'm surprised.

Just another reason for people to spend the extra $60 and grab an 8800GTS 320mb.

Both 8600GT/S and HD2600XT are easily the worst buy anyone could make right now. If you're sitting on the fence with a $200 budget, I say avoid these cards like the plague. Either wait for actual DX10 games or just get a X1950Pro or XT and call it a day.

EDIT: I wonder how much these will cost? IMO anything over $150 is highway robbery.

My thoughts are that NO current DX10 video card even the 8800 Ultra is going to be good enough for DX10.

Riiiiight. And the reason that Crysis, the DX10 flagship game, runs smoothly on 8800s before optimization is...

Take you transparent anti-Nvidia FUD elsewhere.
All we've been seeing now are DX9 games lazily patched for DX10, I'm surprised performance isn't LOWER...

 

[Summitdrinker]

yep, not very good benchmarking, who would by such a high end card and then run low res, with AA and AF off

the only game I run like that is old UT 1999