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[xBiffx]

Do you actually need a truck?

Yes.

 

[xBiffx]

Ummmm... NO..... 4 out of 5 eco-boost owners I know have experience the "moisture in the the inter cooler" problem at least once. I wanted to get an ecoboost and just about bought one but went for a ride with the neighbor to check out his ecoboost and experienced the issue first hand. Hooked up to a 6000# trailer we proceeded to pull out of his driveway and got on it pretty hard and it fell flat on its face chugging like crazy. NOT cool when when a Semi truck is approaching fast from behind on a skinny 2 lane road and you can't crack 20mph. After looking at the issue it was pretty predictable and he had driven the night before for about an hour in foggy conditions and the first time he got on the throttle hard the next morning it sucked the water up! Needless to say I changed my mind and bought the 5.0L and saved 1800$ to boot with the big 5.0 XLT rebate. That said the Issue IS predictable and if driven in conditions with high humidity/fog you need to be careful jumping to full throttle after 1/2 an hour or so of cruising.

Issue doesn't happen past 2012 models.

 

[xBiffx]

3. Flat out wrong. I owned the 5.at one time and frequented f150 forums. The ecoboost owners were getting piss poor towing mpg and they'll even admit its a huge downfall.

4. Yes I'm aware of what year it is. Physics hasn't changed in billions of years and will never. More moving parts is always going to have a higher chance of failure regardless of the year.

Those are owners who are idiots who don't check the recall notices. The MPG issue is fixed. This truck owns any V8 in MPG, towing or otherwise. Tell me another truck that can tow and still get double digit MPG.

 

[xBiffx]

I have the small block in my F-150. Gets awesome fuel economy (better than ecoboost engines). And the thing is, Horsepower wise and tourque wise, this tiny engine puts trucks with big blocks from 10 years ago to shame. Unless towing/hauling is frequent it makes no sense to get anything other than the small block. And I have towed thousands of pounds with my truck over long distances. It handles it like a champ. I just disable 6th gear and it's no problem.

Coming from the "do you actually need a truck" guy.

Get a life. You have no idea what you are talking about and any truck worth using for a truck needs more than a small block engine.

 

[LTC8K6]

IIRC, the stumbling problems were still there after the fix, for some owners.

The investigation apparently includes 2013 models.

Of course we all know the 5.0 is hobbled in the F-150 to make the 3.5L look good. :biggrin:

 

[Pulsar]

Those are owners who are idiots who don't check the recall notices. The MPG issue is fixed. This truck owns any V8 in MPG, towing or otherwise. Tell me another truck that can tow and still get double digit MPG.

To be fair, the surburban I used to tow my 6800 pound boat with regularly got 10-12 mpg on 1500 mile trips to and from Florida.

Likewise, my current 5.4L v8 in my 2008 F-150 regularly gets similar mileage.

I'm not saying the ecoboost isn't a big improvement, but let's try to stay factual.

 

[xBiffx]

To be fair, the surburban I used to tow my 6800 pound boat with regularly got 10-12 mpg on 1500 mile trips to and from Florida.

Likewise, my current 5.4L v8 in my 2008 F-150 regularly gets similar mileage.

I'm not saying the ecoboost isn't a big improvement, but let's try to stay factual.

I am, this thing can consistently get double digits MPG towing. Not sure what's not factual about that. It will also get better than the V8, again factual.

Also, it doesn't suffer at altitude either, like the V8 will.

 

[LTC8K6]

Looking around the net, most people are saying the 3.5L EB pulls trailers better than the 5.0, but the mileage between the two is about the same.

 

[xBiffx]

Looking around the net, most people are saying the 3.5L EB pulls trailers better than the 5.0, but the mileage between the two is about the same.

"About the same", perhaps. But since you are getting their faster with the EB I think you might use less fuel. 😀

And again, its worlds of difference at altitude, in the mountains, especially with MPG.

 

[LTC8K6]

I don't think a lot of truck people want to risk buying a turbocharged gasoline V6 yet. They are probably still worried about longevity.

Turbo diesels do well at altitude also, and they seem to have a good reputation for longevity.

The Silverado with the DI 5.3L is going to sell very well, I think. It looks like a good challenger. With 300 pound feet of torque at 2K revs, it's going to be nice.

Soon we will have the new smaller V8 diesel challengers as well.

Plus, V8's sound wonderful. :biggrin:

I have a feeling that the Ecoboost V6 will not be offered much longer in the F-150.

 

[LTC8K6]

2013 F-150 EB's are also stumbling...

http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f2201bc/246#MSG246

#247 of 250 ecoboost problems by gmray
Aug 28, 2013 (11:42 am)
purchased new 2013 F 150 ecoboost about three weeks ago. had waited for some of the "bugs" to be ironed out of this powertrain. after driving in the rain for about two hours with all systems apparently fine and clocking 19.6 MPG on the trip computer I moved off the expressway onto secondary roads and needed to pass a slower vehicle. as I punched the throttle the engine went to idle, the transmission shook and the check engine light started flashing. could continue at about 50MPH till it was safe to pull off, did so, and switched engine off for a second then restarted. no warning light, and I continued the final 20 miles home. noticed MPG was falling right out of bed though I was only running about 55. decided to try punching it again and the same happened, except this time i got a steady check engine light. took it to the dealership and i was the fourth complaint that day. truck was assembled in July and supposedly had all the fixes already applied. with only 900 miles on the odo i am considering going to war with Ford if a fix does not arrive soon. have had 4 previous turbos, 3 Volvos and one VW and never a hint of a problem. cannot be too difficult to fix. wonder if Ford is paying attention. this is my 6th Ford and 3rd 150.

 

[xBiffx]

2013 F-150 EB's are also stumbling...

http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f2201bc/246#MSG246

#247 of 250 ecoboost problems by gmray
Aug 28, 2013 (11:42 am)
purchased new 2013 F 150 ecoboost about three weeks ago. had waited for some of the "bugs" to be ironed out of this powertrain. after driving in the rain for about two hours with all systems apparently fine and clocking 19.6 MPG on the trip computer I moved off the expressway onto secondary roads and needed to pass a slower vehicle. as I punched the throttle the engine went to idle, the transmission shook and the check engine light started flashing. could continue at about 50MPH till it was safe to pull off, did so, and switched engine off for a second then restarted. no warning light, and I continued the final 20 miles home. noticed MPG was falling right out of bed though I was only running about 55. decided to try punching it again and the same happened, except this time i got a steady check engine light. took it to the dealership and i was the fourth complaint that day. truck was assembled in July and supposedly had all the fixes already applied. with only 900 miles on the odo i am considering going to war with Ford if a fix does not arrive soon. have had 4 previous turbos, 3 Volvos and one VW and never a hint of a problem. cannot be too difficult to fix. wonder if Ford is paying attention. this is my 6th Ford and 3rd 150.

So that covers all 2013's? Really? 4th complaint that day my ass.

Mine was assembled in May. The only problem I've had in the rain is the damn traction control 😛 when I romp on it. Symptoms are similar to that guy except its not a check engine light, its the TCS light. $20 says that was his problem too and he's just an idiot.

 

[JACKIE]

Not as new..or shiny but my every day driver taken at lunch today. The older 5.4L

 

[LTC8K6]

So that covers all 2013's? Really? 4th complaint that day my ass.

Mine was assembled in May. The only problem I've had in the rain is the damn traction control 😛 when I romp on it. Symptoms are similar to that guy except its not a check engine light, its the TCS light. $20 says that was his problem too and he's just an idiot.

You posted that the issue "does not happen past 2012 models". Now you get in a huff about reports of it happening in 2013 models? NHTSA has apparently included 2013 models in the preliminary investigation.

It's not my fault that you apparently made a claim that is not true.

It seems pretty specific to certain scenarios. If you drive for a while in conditions where water could build up in the intercooler, you get water built up in the intercooler.

It apparently builds up in the intercooler because of long periods of little or no boost. Then when you ask for boost, the increased air flow flushes the accumulated water out.

Maybe Ford should tell owners to goose the throttle every 10 minutes. :biggrin:

 

[Zargon]

but water injection is a good thing...... 🙂

 

[LTC8K6]

but water injection is a good thing...... 🙂

Yeah! 😀

 

[xBiffx]

Not as new..or shiny but my every day driver taken at lunch today. The older 5.4L

I likey dem shoes!

 

[xBiffx]

You posted that the issue "does not happen past 2012 models". Now you get in a huff about reports of it happening in 2013 models? NHTSA has apparently included 2013 models in the preliminary investigation.

It's not my fault that you apparently made a claim that is not true.

It seems pretty specific to certain scenarios. If you drive for a while in conditions where water could build up in the intercooler, you get water built up in the intercooler.

It apparently builds up in the intercooler because of long periods of little or no boost. Then when you ask for boost, the increased air flow flushes the accumulated water out.

Maybe Ford should tell owners to goose the throttle every 10 minutes. :biggrin:

But we are supposed to believe that guys story when he claims 5 incidents in one day when there are only less than 100 overall with about 400,000 engines out there.

Sure thing, bro.

 

[Greenman]

The smaller EB engines seem to be suffering from the fact that you have to thrash them to get the performance, and when you do, their fuel economy is bad, or no better than the engines they replaced.

That's not at all inline with what I've read nor the listed spec's on the engine. What makes it such a good towing engine is that the torque comes on at low RPM's. Everything I've seen indicates that the EB hits it's maximum torque at about half the RPM's as the V8's.

Assuming equal fuel economy at a given load, the EB engine is still the better choice.

 

[Zargon]

But we are supposed to believe that guys story when he claims 5 incidents in one day when there are only less than 100 overall with about 400,000 engines out there.

Sure thing, bro.

hahahhahaha

 

[LTC8K6]

But we are supposed to believe that guys story when he claims 5 incidents in one day when there are only less than 100 overall with about 400,000 engines out there.

Sure thing, bro.

If his were the only story, I wouldn't have posted it or mentioned it.

 

[LTC8K6]

That's not at all inline with what I've read nor the listed spec's on the engine. What makes it such a good towing engine is that the torque comes on at low RPM's. Everything I've seen indicates that the EB hits it's maximum torque at about half the RPM's as the V8's.

Assuming equal fuel economy at a given load, the EB engine is still the better choice.

The 3.5L is not one of the smaller EB engines.

It would be the large EB engine. :biggrin:

 

[Pulsar]

I am, this thing can consistently get double digits MPG towing. Not sure what's not factual about that. It will also get better than the V8, again factual.

Also, it doesn't suffer at altitude either, like the V8 will.

This was your statement.
>> Tell me another truck that can tow and still get double digit MPG. <<

I replied that essentially, many trucks can tow and get double digit MPG. (Double digit being >9 mpg, i.e. 10 mpg).

 

[LTC8K6]

This is a 2012, but this is apparently after the updated intercooler was installed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHaYHhyUiX0

EDIT: original videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1mSLUmprRg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHo5DtJjqE0

 

[Pulsar]

If his were the only story, I wouldn't have posted it or mentioned it.

The issue with all online-complaints are that they are exacerbated by a couple effects. The first is the 'me too' effect. A bunch of people jump on the band wagon because it's so easy.

The second is that you may find a thread containing 30 complaints. Reading them all together seems to be a big red flag. It's hard for people to put that into perspective. Of the hundreds of thousands of F-150 ecoboosts that have been sold, a very tiny percentage have complaints.

One could compare it to the Samsung S4 cracked glass/oled problem currently going around. A thread with 200 complaints sound bad, until you consider that they've sold well over 20 million units.

Don't think I'm discounting it. Clearly there is an issue Ford needs to fix. Logic would dictate, though, that this problem isn't nearly as big as it looks from online forums. After all, the NHTSA has been looking since May 28 and not said boo about it.