New COVID-19 strain loose in Denmark

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biostud

biostud

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NostaSeronx said:
Can we call or should it be called covid-20?
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It is the same, but with a mutated spike protein, that alters it reactions to antibodies. With this loose you could catch covid 19 twice and tender vaccines useless.
 
cytg111

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The really fucked up part of this, to my mind, is that if that fucker can mutate like that in mink and readily jump back to humans again, in a itsy bitsy little neck of the woods Denmark in such a short period of time..... then its gonna happen everywhere else too. *eeeeeeeverywhere*. Maybe already has. How many billions was poured into those vaccines again?
Im sure we are gonna contain it this time ... but
 
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It turns out at people who have had COVID-19 retain some immunity to at least 6 months out and that resistance is proportional to the severity of the illness. The sicker you were the less likely you are to reinfection.

Also a flu vaccine provides about 40% resistance and the thought is that the vaccine puts the immune system on a high alert and attacks the virus before it gets a firm foothold. All that to say that while mutations are certain to occur there will be some cross-resistance.
 
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biostud said:
It is the same, but with a mutated spike protein, that alters it reactions to antibodies. With this loose you could catch covid 19 twice and tender vaccines useless.
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Your link doesn't say it has a mutated spike protein...
 
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brycejones said:
Maybe we should kill all the farmed mink and stop with the fur trade?
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I think the article basically said they are "culling" the whole herd of mink. This is real bad news. Maybe vaccine containment won't work out.
 
Jaskalas

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Oh, doesn't the spike protein determine how easily it penetrates cells?
Sounds like new strains are not necessarily as deadly.
 
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brycejones said:
Maybe we should kill all the farmed mink and stop with the fur trade?
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That, and stricter controls on wet markets, and reducing reliance on bushmeat, and better health and hygiene practices in abattoirs, and stop encroaching on natural habitats... Maybe then we can reduce the risk of further zoonotic disease outbreaks.
 
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Muse said:
I think the article basically said they are "culling" the whole herd of mink. This is real bad news. Maybe vaccine containment won't work out.
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I'm not sure why people haven't accepted that this coronavirus will probably end up like previous coronaviruses...as a seasonal "cold". Hopefully it will just lose its virulence/morbidity as it works its way through the population.

The time to have shut this thing down was long ago. It's going to keep recirculating and mutating.
 
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Jaskalas said:
If COVID becomes this century's flu....

RIP Movie Theaters, and RIP Disney.
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I don't think I've been to a movie theater 5 times this century, maybe no more than twice. I remember once in L.A., once around Long Beach, both times with extended family. I do the home theater thing now.
 
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brycejones said:
Maybe we should kill all the farmed mink and stop with the fur trade?
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From the linked article in OP:

“What we really need to do is end mink farming entirely and retrain the farmers,” said Birgitte Damm, policy adviser and vet with NGO Animal Protection Denmark.
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Hayabusa Rider said:
It turns out at people who have had COVID-19 retain some immunity to at least 6 months out and that resistance is proportional to the severity of the illness. The sicker you were the less likely you are to reinfection.

Also a flu vaccine provides about 40% resistance and the thought is that the vaccine puts the immune system on a high alert and attacks the virus before it gets a firm foothold. All that to say that while mutations are certain to occur there will be some cross-resistance.
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Not sure why you posted that, as that's true for the strains the flu vaccine works well on. If it mutates it loses effectiveness. This thread is about COVID mutating. Which the vaccines should still be done and a good thing as it will limit that strain's effectiveness, which can then limit its ability to mutate as well. But your post has very little relevant to what's being discussed.
 
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Jaskalas said:
If COVID becomes this century's flu....

RIP Disney.
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Yeah, right. Absolutely no chance (assuming something extreme doesn't happen like the entire board disappears without a trace and by bizarre coincidence the entire pension fund for all companies that Disney owns disappears).
 
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darkswordsman17 said:
Not sure why you posted that, as that's true for the strains the flu vaccine works well on. If it mutates it loses effectiveness. This thread is about COVID mutating. Which the vaccines should still be done and a good thing as it will limit that strain's effectiveness, which can then limit its ability to mutate as well. But your post has very little relevant to what's being discussed.
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I did it because some people might believe that a mutation means we're back to square one. I posted about the flu vaccine because we could use some good news and encourage people to get their vaccination.
 
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^^ right, we know the flu mutates, and the vaccine gets created accordingly. We need a coronavirus virus blueprint that we can adjust to new mutations, just line we do with the flu. H1N1 is a good example of how quickly a functional vaccine was generated. Consider what would be if SARS1 caused humans to take coronavirus seriously. SARS2 wouldn't be like this.
 
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