New Chicago Handgun Law was approved

[Kirby]

I don't really care about the arguments concerning crime, self-defense, accidents, etc.

A natural right is a natural right. If you don't like me exercising my rights, kindly fuck off.

 

[xj0hnx]

Everything you just said is true.

Yes, it is true that facts give the loony left a headache.

Stupid liberals, never have they answered the question of how more gun laws are going to stop criminals that don't obey the law in the first place, instead they rant and rave on about complete and utter BS and attack, attack, attack. The loony left wants an unarmed, subservient to the state populace.

Here's a note of reality for the loony left ...guns exist in America, millions, and millions of them, you can not wish, or legislate them into non-existence. Cry all you want about them, it isn't going to change anything.

Gun violence continues to drop in Canada who have much stricter gun laws.

And yet more and more of your wannabe gangsta's are putting up videos on youtube of all their guns, probably airsoft, watch your culture change before your eyes.

 

[xj0hnx]

OK, that's just scary right there. It presupposes there is no other viable option to solving a crime problem other than a police state, let alone the misguided belief that people actually WANT one. Let's not be so quick to jump on that bandwagon, because if that's the answer then the Land of the Free no longer exists.

I can believe that the politicians of Chicago would be content with a police state, as it would cement their grip on power. I find it ludicrous to suppose that the citizenry wants it. On the other hand, the same citizenry keeps electing the same people, so maybe they really do like things the way they are.

The moony left wants absolute control of the populace via the state, they crave it, cradle to grave.

 

[nick1985]

Its not a scare tactic. Its a fact. God, how can you even argue that.

Suicides. Suicides happen regardless if there are firearms accessible or not. Using them to further your agenda is silly.

Gun violence continues to drop in Canada who have much stricter gun laws.

You sure about that?

Fact: In Canada around 1920, before there was any form of gun control, their homicide rate was 7% of the U.S rate. By 1986, and after significant gun control legislation, Canada’s homicide rate was 35% of the U.S. rate – a significant increase. 40 In 2003, Canada had a violent crime rate more than double that of the U.S. (963 vs. 475 per 100,000).41

Source -- Juristat: Crime Statistics in Canada, 2004 and FBI Uniform Crime Statistics online.

Fact: The crime rate is 66% higher in four Canadian Prairie Provinces than in the northern US states across the border.43

Source -- A Comparison of Violent and Firearm Crime Rates in the Canadian Prairie Provinces and Four U.S. Border States, 1961-2003, Parliamentary Research Branch of the Library of Parliament, March 7, 2005.



Owned again classy. Nice try though

As for violent crime, if you think that less guns are the reason for more violent crime you are clearly clueless. Society is way more violent in general. We live, watch, and listen to violence all day on tv, movies, and music.

Then how come Switzerland has such little crime and they have assualt rifles in nearly every home? It would seem to me that firearms have nothing to do with it. You hit the nail on the head with your last sentence. Its society, not firearms.

 

[palehorse]

Here is why, if they have this many murders with a gun ban, how many will they have without a gun ban?

If history and precedent are any indication, they'll probably have fewer... that's the fact in this whole debate that you can't seem to grasp.

 

[nobodyknows]

Thank You

You just made my point that I have been saying for years. People like you will all day talk about loading up an arsenal in your home to protect against criminals. I have said all along and the numbers prove it, that a law abiding person owning a gun for protection is a lousy idea. Why? Because that gun 7-8 times more than likely will be used to injure a family member in some way and not a criminal. Most robberies don't occur when someone is home. Its rare for a home invasion to occur and people are in the house. But dumb, stupid, and ignorant people like you will forever say get a gun when in reality that gun better than a 70% clip will kill a loved one or family friend. Most criminals kill other criminals, its just a fact of life. Argue legality and you win all day. Argue effectiveness and you look like a fool all day.

I have an arsenal in my home to protect me from people who would try to take away my arsenal.

If there's something strange
in your neighborhood

Who you gonna call?
Ghostbusters!

If there's something weird
and it don't look good

Who you gonna call?
Ghostbusters!

I ain't afraid of no ghost
I ain't afraid of no ghost

If you're seeing things
running through your head

Who can you call?
Ghostbusters!

An invisible man
sleeping in your bed

Oh, who you gonna call?
Ghostbusters!

I ain't afraid of no ghost
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Who you gonna call?
Ghostbusters!

If you're all alone
pick up the phone

And call:
Ghostbusters!

I ain't afraid of no ghost
I hear it likes the girls

I ain't afraid of no ghost

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

Who you gonna call?
Ghostbusters!

Well, if you've had a dose of
a freaky ghost baby
You'd better call:
Ghostbusters! Ow!

Let me tell you something
Bustin' makes me feel good

I ain't afraid of no ghost
I ain't afraid of no ghost

Don't get caught alone, oh no

Ghostbusters!

When it comes through your door
Unless you just want some more
I think you better call

Ghostbusters!

Ow!

Who you gonna call?
Ghostbusters!

Who you gonna call?
Ghostbusters!

 

[Triumph]

Quote:
Originally Posted by nick1985 View Post
You guys notice how not one of these anti-gun posters ever posts facts? All personal opinion, gut feelings, and hunches that are unsubstantiated by evidence. Its so funny
Here is a quick little article from About.com on Gun safety where they quote numbers from the CDC.

Quote:
Having a gun in your home, especially if it is not stored properly, can be a significant risk factor for injury and death in children. In fact, firearm related injuries are a leading cause of death in children, and include deaths from unintentional injuries, homicide and suicide.

Between 1994 and 1998, 6,287 children committed suicide with a firearm and an additional 1,896 children were killed by unintentional gun injuries in the United States. All together, 18,297 children under age 19 died from a gun-related injury during these years, according to CDC National Injury Mortality Statistics.

Quote:
It is estimated that guns are in half of all homes in the United States. Although most of these guns are purchased for safety reasons, it is important to keep in mind that a firearm in the home is much more likely (up to 43 times more likely in some reports) to kill or injure a family member or friend than an intruder.
http://pediatrics.about.com/cs/safet...gun_safety.htm

When you go to the FBI and CDC and search the data, the numbers clearly show owning a gun more than likely be the cause of injury or death to a person in the home and not a criminal. Its just a fact. Its legal, but it it is far from being smart. A dog is significantly a better home defense than any gun made in the history of mankind. Noise is the number 1 deterrent against a home intruder. A mean dashund will chase off an intruder faster than any handgun, rifle, submachine gun, bow and arrow, or grenade launcher. Guns are a lousy home defense.

Funny, when I go to the CDC website and search their data for myself, I draw different conclusions than what some article comes to, where you don't know what estimations or assumptions they are making to come to their conclusions.

Year: 2007
Age: 0-18
Unintentional Firearms Deaths: 122
Homicide/Legal Intervention Firearm Deaths: 1,587
Suicide: 493

Now let's refine the results for "children" ages 15-18
Unintentional Firearms Deaths: 57
Homicide/Legal Intervention Firearm Deaths: 1,322
Suicide: 440

You can draw many conclusions from looking at the data directly. One is that a majority of the "gun deaths" that articles like this use to calculate a number such as "43 times more likely" are actually homicide or legal intervention firearms deaths perpetrated by someone 15 to 18. Most of the suicides are "children" ages 15-18. The problem i have with all of this is that articles like the one you quoted try to appeal to people's "save the children!!!" mentality and, I believe, when people read these numbers they get the impression that it is all little Jimmy finding daddy's gun and shooting poor little Susan by mistake. When in reality, there are 8 times as many drowning deaths (122 versus 975) in the ages 0-18, than unintentional gun deaths. It's all a distortion of the facts, so go to the CDC website and search the database for yourself.

http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_sy.html

 

[Zargon]

And another thing too. People are bashing this new strict law. Now here is my question that I put towards glenn. Why do people believe that adding more guns into the hands of citizens will make gun violence go down? If they have so many murders with strict gun laws, how many will they have with loose gun laws? Why do people such as your yourself believe throwing more gas on a fire will somehow cause the already out of control fire to somehow come under control? Guns equal gas, if you didn't get my point, I know you are a little slow.

I'm bashing it because its unconstitutional.

all those who voted for it should be tossed in jail, the POS mayor being first.

You are probably right, our forefathers might not have envisioned this, of course, more than a few of them spent time marching around the rural east coast patroling against indian raids. But protection from an overbaring government was also a priority. the first things a 'good' dictator does is take weapons from the people. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, all pro-gun removal.

Even JFK the liberal hero was pro-home-gun-ownership. he called us to be a 'nation of minutemen'

gun accidents are the fault of the owner, my glock has never accidentally fired a round. it sits in my nightstand innocently and has yet to shoot me in the middle of the night

 

[palehorse]

Please supporters and detractors can post stories all day to back up their claim. I read everything you post mostly and everyone else. This issue is clean cut and dry. Its legal to own a gun. Now on that note I don't think the founding fathers could have possibly envisioned the situation as it is today. I think they may have written the law differently if they did. Your argument is the same old tired thing. No different. This is the plain truth and reality, a gun in the home 70% of the time or better will injure or kill a non criminal. Thats a fact. So if thats the case, arguing for a gun as home protection sucks.

What sane person buys something that works only 70% of the time as its first choice? The disparity is so great I can't believe people still argue buying a gun for home protection. Nothing wrong with it at all but a noisy dog would be so much better. Sorry dude the argument you make is dumb, stupid, and ignorant. The gun you own will more than likely be used on someone in your house or worse they will use it on themselves.

70 to 30, which is greater?

Please provide a link and all of the math that supports your 70% theory.

 

[xj0hnx]

Please provide a link that supports your 70% statistic.

Any statistic the loony left produces about gun-control will be out of context, and devoid of comparative data.

 

[palehorse]

Any statistic the loony left produces about gun-control will be out of context, and devoid of comparative data.

I know... but Classy is known for pulling things out of his arse, and I plan to use his own stats against him.

He knows that none of the real statistics support his argument, which is why I highly doubt he'll produce any links...

 

[classy]

Suicides. Suicides happen regardless if there are firearms accessible or not. Using them to further your agenda is silly.




You sure about that?

Fact: In Canada around 1920, before there was any form of gun control, their homicide rate was 7% of the U.S rate. By 1986, and after significant gun control legislation, Canada’s homicide rate was 35% of the U.S. rate – a significant increase. 40 In 2003, Canada had a violent crime rate more than double that of the U.S. (963 vs. 475 per 100,000).41

Source -- Juristat: Crime Statistics in Canada, 2004 and FBI Uniform Crime Statistics online.

Fact: The crime rate is 66% higher in four Canadian Prairie Provinces than in the northern US states across the border.43

Source -- A Comparison of Violent and Firearm Crime Rates in the Canadian Prairie Provinces and Four U.S. Border States, 1961-2003, Parliamentary Research Branch of the Library of Parliament, March 7, 2005.



Owned again classy. Nice try though




Then how come Switzerland has such little crime and they have assualt rifles in nearly every home? It would seem to me that firearms have nothing to do with it. You hit the nail on the head with your last sentence. Its society, not firearms.

You and everyone else keeps arguing the same thing. When you find an argument that tops 70 to 30, let me know. Your gun will be used 7-8 times more likely to injure or kill a family member or friend before its used against a criminal. Every argument is the same of every gun pundit in the last 20 years. I keep reading over and over to protect my home and my dirty laundry. But your kids have a better chance of blowing their brains out with that legally owned gun, than any of you using that same gun to fight off an intruder. Nothing else left to argue.

 

[nick1985]

You and everyone else keeps arguing the same thing. When you find an argument that tops 70 to 30, let me know. Your gun will be used 7-8 times more likely to injure or kill a family member or friend before its used against a criminal. Every argument is the same of every gun pundit in the last 20 years. I keep reading over and over to protect my home and my dirty laundry. But your kids have a better chance of blowing their brains out with that legally owned gun, than any of you using that same gun to fight off an intruder. Nothing else left to argue.

You have proven to be full of it over and over again, no need to repeat myself.

Also, why did you not respond to my information about Canada? Admitting defeat on that one?


Fact: Every year, people in the United States use guns to defend themselves against criminals an estimated 2,500,000 times – more than 6,500 people a day, or once every 13 seconds.151 Of these instances, 15.6% of the people using firearms defensively stated that they "almost certainly" saved their lives by doing so.



So, firearms are used 2.5 million times a year by people to defend themselves. You claim that guns are 8 times more likely to kill a family member than for a gun to be used defensively. That must mean 20 million innocent family members are killed each year, right? Got the stastitic showing 20 million innocent family members killed each year?



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[JockoJohnson]

When in reality, there are 8 times as many drowning deaths (122 versus 975) in the ages 0-18, than unintentional gun deaths.

BAN SWIMMING and all forms of water activities!!!!

 

[nick1985]

BAN SWIMMING and all forms of water activities!!!!

There are lots of things to ban

 

[Kirby]

There are lots of things to ban

Unspecified killed my father!

 

[palehorse]

Classy, please provide a link and all of the math that supports your 70% theory.

/crickets

 

[nick1985]

Unspecified killed my father!

other transport killed mine

 

[xj0hnx]

You and everyone else keeps arguing the same thing. When you find an argument that tops 70 to 30, let me know. Your gun will be used 7-8 times more likely to injure or kill a family member or friend before its used against a criminal. Every argument is the same of every gun pundit in the last 20 years. I keep reading over and over to protect my home and my dirty laundry. But your kids have a better chance of blowing their brains out with that legally owned gun, than any of you using that same gun to fight off an intruder. Nothing else left to argue.

Even if Nick hadn't obliterated you subjective "statistic", the fact is that of all the guns owned more are in close proximity to family members for years and years with nothing happening, than they are used on criminals trying to break into the same house. Your statistic is mindless.

 

[nick1985]

/crickets

Yep. Pretty much.

 

[ShawnD1]

Also, these situations happen EVERY DAY. What should she have done?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/12/09/earlyshow/main5949873.shtml

Obviously she should have had consensual sex with the intruder. You can't get raped if you agree to it :awe:

 

[JohnnyGage]

Obviously she should have had consensual sex with the intruder. You can't get raped if you agree to it :awe:

And as proven time and time again; when seconds count, cops are minutes away.

 

[Zargon]

police are reactionary unless we live in a police state.

 

[MotF Bane]

police are reactionary unless we live in a police state.

Something classy is fine with.

 

[OutHouse]

Registering firearms is bullshit as well. I do not need their permission to own a gun nor is it any of their business that i even have one.