New Chicago Handgun Law was approved

[nick1985]

Really? But wouldn't you support something like, oh, say, waterboarding of terrorists to extract vital information they might have about where bombs might be planted or where some terrorist attack is planned regardless of whether the terrorists are American citizens?

no

 

[Moonbeam]

no

You mean to tell me you wouldn't torture somebody for the location of a nuclear weapon set to go off in a major American city if it was the only way to get the information to prevent it's detonation? Maybe you have principles after all.

 

[Moonbeam]

Drebo was the one who said the above quote, not me.


There was no message for me to attack, only you, you dolt.

I know who said what, my dear man. I applied what he said to you and the message was plain, that while you pile on when he says that to me, you do exactly what he said yourself in doing so.

 

[shortylickens]

I have no problem making people go to training first.
In fact I think every American should have it in high school. If they choose to not carry thats their business.

 

[Amused]

I have no problem making people go to training first.
In fact I think every American should have it in high school. If they choose to not carry thats their business.

It seems, though, that the last thing the public education system in the US likes to teach is personal responsibility.

 

[K1052]

This is of course going to end up in court AGAIN and some if not all of the new ordinance will get shut down. It will just take another year or two and more taxpayer $ spent to protect them from their own legal rights.

There are tons of "illegal" guns held by people here for self defense in their homes and they are rarely prosecuted if they use them in the defense if their person or property since the PR fallout would be horrific for the city.

 

[Adrenaline]

This is of course going to end up in court AGAIN and some if not all of the new ordinance will get shut down. It will just take another year or two and more taxpayer $ spent to protect them from their own legal rights.

There are tons of "illegal" guns held by people here for self defense in their homes and they are rarely prosecuted if they use them in the defense if their person or property since the PR fallout would be horrific for the city.

The DC case that got their ban overturned, that same guy is already in a suit against DC again for harsh restrictions on owning handguns. I believe I read it is slated to hit the SCOTUS their next term.

Criminals do not follow gun ownership rules whatsoever, the common law abiding citizen is at a disadvantage. Nobody ever knows when the need for a gun to save a life may come into play. Restricting people to not having the ability to carry a gun on them is just about as bad as not allowing guns in the first place. A gun only in the house does nothing for you once you leave home.

 

[gingermeggs]

You mean to tell me you wouldn't torture somebody for the location of a nuclear weapon set to go off in a major American city if it was the only way to get the information to prevent it's detonation? Maybe you have principles after all.

Hell Moonie!
I'd buy em a drink!
It would be sensational, like another 24/7 news story again!
This is what you get for having slaves, it's god wrath!
Tornadoes, floods and diseases! no no no!- better still Nuke a big city!
Your a genius!

 

[gingermeggs]

I know who said what, my dear man. I applied what he said to you and the message was plain, that while you pile on when he says that to me, you do exactly what he said yourself in doing so.

Use ure Colt on the dolt!

 

[mizzou]

*pats pocket with gun in it*

Thank you Missouri

 

[Supersonic64]

If you ban guns, the only people left carrying them will be criminals which will leave innocent citizens defenseless.

Why is it so FUCKING hard for these people to get this through their heads. Honestly, this is ALL the reasoning everyone needs.

 

[cubby1223]

If you ban guns, the only people left carrying them will be criminals which will leave innocent citizens defenseless.

Why is it so FUCKING hard for these people to get this through their heads. Honestly, this is ALL the reasoning everyone needs.

Illinois politicians work outside the realm of reality.

Intentions are of the utmost importance, and poor results means government didn't Hope hard enough.

 

[Murloc]

If you ban guns, the only people left carrying them will be criminals which will leave innocent citizens defenseless.

Why is it so FUCKING hard for these people to get this through their heads. Honestly, this is ALL the reasoning everyone needs.

nope.
In europe most of the people don't have a weapon, and we have less kills caused by guns than the US.
If weapons are not around it's more difficult to get one for criminals too, and anyway statistics prove that this system is better.

 

[Amused]

nope.
In europe most of the people don't have a weapon, and we have less kills caused by guns than the US.
If weapons are not around it's more difficult to get one for criminals too, and anyway statistics prove that this system is better.

Faulty logic. Much of Europe has less murders by ALL means, not just guns. This points to a difference in culture, not hardware.

Yeah, banning drugs made them harder for criminals to get... oh wait...

But, but... banning alcohol made it harder for criminals to get... oh... wait...

Your point is moot. The problem is not hardware, but culture.

The only thing your "statistics" prove is that you have a more homogeneous and less violent culture.

Meanwhile, countries like Switzerland and Israel only prove you wrong. Both have MORE households with firearms in them than the US, and both have some of the lowest homicide rates.

As for gun laws, the ONLY thing they do in the US is prevent law abiding citizens from protecting themselves. It does no more to stop criminals from getting tham than banning drugs stopped them from getting drugs.

 

[Pocatello]

nope.
In europe most of the people don't have a weapon, and we have less kills caused by guns than the US.
If weapons are not around it's more difficult to get one for criminals too, and anyway statistics prove that this system is better.

The difference is that criminals can get gun easily in America. Banning guns is almost like banning illegal drugs. Dealers will continue to sell illegal drugs and protect their turfs with guns, even if it's illegal for them to do both.

 

[Moonbeam]

Faulty logic. Much of Europe has less murders by ALL means, not just guns. This points to a difference in culture, not hardware.

Yeah, banning drugs made them harder for criminals to get... oh wait...

But, but... banning alcohol made it harder for criminals to get... oh... wait...

Your point is moot. The problem is not hardware, but culture.

Except if the culture is the hardware. And what you are saying, then, is that because Americans kill each other far far more often than other people, they have more of a need to have guns to kill the killers. A smart person might what to do something about the culture and get rid of the guns, eh?

At any rate, why would any sane person listen to Americans when it comes to guns. It is obvious that America is a sick culture. Wisdom isn't found in the sick.

 

[Amused]

Except if the culture is the hardware. And what you are saying, then, is that because Americans kill each other far far more often than other people, they have more of a need to have guns to kill the killers. A smart person might what to do something about the culture and get rid of the guns, eh?

At any rate, why would any sane person listen to Americans when it comes to guns. It is obvious that America is a sick culture. Wisdom isn't found in the sick.

Culture is not hardware, nor vice versa.

And as I pointed out, there are countries with far higher rates of legal gun ownership and very low homicide rates.

 

[Pocatello]

Except if the culture is the hardware. And what you are saying, then, is that because Americans kill each other far far more often than other people, they have more of a need to have guns to kill the killers. A smart person might what to do something about the culture and get rid of the guns, eh?

At any rate, why would any sane person listen to Americans when it comes to guns. It is obvious that America is a sick culture. Wisdom isn't found in the sick.

Don't you wish that you could tell the crack dealers that, and they would stop selling cracks and turn in their guns?

 

[Double Trouble]

The stupidity continues. This will certainly be challenged (if it hasn't been already) and shot down in court, just like the stupid DC restrictions. After about 30 years of strict gun control laws, they still have war zones, daily tallies of shootings etc etc. Anyone with half a brain would stop to think "hmmmm, perhaps that's not the best approach". Not the Chicago city council though.....

 

[spidey07]

The current line of thinking is the more stupid restrictions put in place the better because they will eventually lead to almost no restrictions because of more sc smack downs. The attorney filing these suits is strategically targeting the low hanging fruit like a NC ban during times of emergency.

 

[nick1985]

nope.
In europe most of the people don't have a weapon, and we have less kills caused by guns than the US.
If weapons are not around it's more difficult to get one for criminals too, and anyway statistics prove that this system is better.

/facepalm


Myth: The availability of guns causes crime

Fact: Though the number of firearms owned by private citizens has been increasing steadily since 1970, the overall rate of homicides and suicides has not risen.132 As the chart shows, there is nocorrelation between the availability of firearms and the rates of homicide and suicide in America.

Fact: Internationally speaking “There’s no clear relationship between more guns and higher levels of violence.”133

Fact: “... a detailed study of the major surveys completed in the past 20 years or more provides no evidence of any relationship between the total number of legally held firearms in society and the rate of armed crime. Nor is there a relationship between the severity of controls imposed in various countries or the mass of bureaucracy involved with many control systems with the apparent ease of access to firearms by criminals and terrorists.”134





Fact: Switzerland has relatively lenient gun control for Europe35, and has the third lowest
homicide rate of the top nine major European countries, and the same per capita
rate as England and Wales.36

Fact: Brazil has mandatory licensing, registration, and maximum personal ownership quotas. It now bans any new sales to private citizens. Their homicide rate is almost three (3) times higher than the U.S.39

Fact: In 2003, Canada had a violent crime rate more than double that of
the U.S. (963 vs. 475 per 100,000).

Fact: Many of the countries with the strictest gun control have the highest rates of violent crime. Australia and England, which have virtually banned gun ownership, have the highest rates of robbery, sexual assault, and assault with force of the top 17 industrialized countries.42

Fact: The crime rate is 66% higher in four Canadian Prairie Provinces than in the
northern US states across the border.43

Fact: Strict controls over existing arms failed in Finland. Despite needs-based licensing,
storage laws, transportation restrictions,44 Finland experienced a multiple killing school
shooting in 2007.45



How did the gun ban in England work out?

Myth: Britain has strict gun control and a low crime rate

Fact: Since gun banning has escalated in the UK, the rate of crime – especially violent
crime – has risen.

Fact: Ironically, firearm use in crimes has doubled in the decade since handguns were
banned.46

Fact: Street robberies soared 28% in 2001. Violent crime was up 11%, murders up 4%,
and rapes are up 14%.48

Fact: Handgun homicides in England and Wales reached an all-time high in 2000, years
after a virtual ban on private handgun ownership. More than 3,000 crimes involving
handguns were recorded in 1999-2000, including the 42 homicides, 310 cases of
attempted murder, 2,561 robberies and 204 burglaries.54

Fact: Handguns were used in 3,685 offenses in 2000 compared with 2,648 in 1997, an
increase of 40%.55

Fact: Between 1997 and 1999, there were 429 murders in London, the highest two-year
figure for more than 10 years – nearly two-thirds of those involved firearms – in a
country that has virtually banned private firearm ownership.56

Fact: Over the last century, the British crime rate was largely unchanged. In the late
nineteenth century, the per capita homicide rate in Britain was between 1.0 and 1.5 per
100,000.57 In the late twentieth century, after a near ban on gun ownership, the homicide rate is around 1.4.58 This shows that the homicide rate does not vary with either the level of gun control or gun availability.



How did the gun ban in Australia work out?


Myth: Gun control in Australia is curbing crime

Fact: Crime has been rising since a sweeping ban on private gun ownership. In the first
two years after gun-owners were forced to surrender 640,381 personal firearms,
government statistics show a dramatic increase in criminal activity.61 In 2001-2002,
homicides were up another 20%.62

From the inception of firearm confiscation to March 27, 2000, the numbers are:
• Gun murders up 19%
• Armed robbery up 69%
• Home invasions up 21%
The sad part is that in the 15 years before national gun confiscation:
• Firearm-related homicides dropped nearly 66%
• Firearm-related deaths fell 50%

Fact: Gun crimes are rising throughout Australia after guns were banned. In Sydney
alone, robbery rates with guns rose 160% in 2001, more in the previous year.63

Fact: A ten year study that concluded Australian firearm confiscation had no effect on
crime rates.64 A separate study concluded Australia’s 1996 gun control laws “found [no]
evidence for an impact of the laws on the pre-existing decline in firearm homicides.”65


http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/5.1/gun-facts-5.1-screen.pdf

Gee, look at that! When you ban guns, violent crime rises. Awesome!

Again, you say statistics prove your claim. Lets see your facts. Because we all know the facts say you are full of shit. Although I dont expect you to even post in this thread again, your argument is substantiated by your own personal thoughts and beliefs and unsubstantiated by hard evidence and facts.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Noooooooo nick1985 !!!! Stop it with the facts !! please you are killing the anti-gun nuts agenda

How else are they (liberals) going to gain votes and brush under the rug the true cause of crime (that being a culture of stupidity, lack of accountability and irresponsibility which abhors education, lawful behavior, hard work, personal responsibility) in the inner city??

 

[Moonbeam]

Noooooooo nick1985 !!!! Stop it with the facts !! please you are killing the anti-gun nuts agenda

How else are they (liberals) going to gain votes and brush under the rug the true cause of crime (that being a culture of stupidity, lack of accountability and irresponsibility which abhors education, lawful behavior, hard work, personal responsibility) in the inner city??

How brain dead can you be? Everything you just said is true. And you, fucktard that you are, want to arm them. How stupid do you have to be to not see the people that live in areas where people are like this, do not want them to have guns. Why? Because they lack accountability and are irresponsible. They are ignorant and uneducated. They are unlawful and don't have jobs or any personal responsibility. And fucking nut cases like you want to arm them. It takes a real Mensa case to throw gasoline on a fire. We should arm the mental patients too, so that nobody breaks in and steels their boogieman from under their beds.

 

[Amused]

How brain dead can you be? Everything you just said is true. And you, fucktard that you are, want to arm them. How stupid do you have to be to not see the people that live in areas where people are like this, do not want them to have guns. Why? Because they lack accountability and are irresponsible. They are ignorant and uneducated. They are unlawful and don't have jobs or any personal responsibility. And fucking nut cases like you want to arm them. It takes a real Mensa case to throw gasoline on a fire. We should arm the mental patients too, so that nobody breaks in and steels their boogieman from under their beds.

You don't get the masses to be responsible by taking away their responsibilities. You let them keep their inalienable rights, and take them away only when they infringe on the rights of another.

Adults are not children, moonie. You don't punish the whole class because one kid chews his gum loudly.

 

[mrjminer]

You don't punish the whole class because one kid chews his gum loudly.

You just make sure to pick the kids who greatly value the perception of their peers and will submit when the threat is made.