new car getting 29 MPG+ that is fast

[AdamK47]

Yaris S. The S stands for Sport.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Well your description is kinda vague, as 'cool' and 'fast' mean different things to different people. And how much leeway on the 29MPG thing? Honestly there is little difference between 27MPG and 30MPG cost saving wise.

Whats 'cool' and 'fast' to me(0-60 in 7.6sec according to CnD.com) is a new 2012 Focus SEL with a DCT in hatchback form with MyFordTouch for about 22K. MPG would be 28city/38highway

But since you didn't like the idea of a GTI not sure if you'll like the idea of the Focus

With the amount of driving I do, it is about $25/month difference. If people would realize where gas prices are going in the next 5 years, they'd also be worried about such seemingly small differences.

I want a muscle car really. The Dodge Challenger is the car I relaly want but it sucks down gas.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Get the challenger and mod it for better MPG.

MORE! And how much would such mods cost.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

0-60 is irrelevant. I can think of only a single red light in my city that goes straight onto a freeway. Picking a mustang over a challenger just because of this pointless stat is... pointless. Challenger is a better looking car, and that matters more.

I'm iun agreement with this. I like the old school styling of the thing. If the bigger engine got better fuel economy, I'd get that package.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Don't know why everyone insists on a new car all the time $30,000 isn't going to get you much new but can get you 3 times the car used. You can get a 2005 M3 for example that is better in every way than anything you can get new right now for under $30,000.

What do you guys have relatives or friends that are going to give you shit that their car is a 2011 and yours is only a 2006 when you roll up in a 2006 Ferrari? I mean seriously, I don't get it.

Sorry to be in a pissy mood, just tired of all the impossible dreams "I need something that has 400 HP, 0-60 in 3 seconds runs 10s in the 1/4 gets 90 mpg, isn't something everyone else has, and is a 2012, but it can only be $20,000" posts. Not going to happen, ever. Most of the cars people come here asking for don't exist, and the closest 3 matches that do exist the OP has already stated a dislike for in the original post. Take off one constraint and a while world of possibilities opens.

In general, people that lease cars beat the crap out of them because it is not their car. I buy ne, pay twice as much and have a car that is mine for twice as long.

 

[sonicdrummer20]

True. However, compare the suggested Sonata Turbo/Optima Turbo. Both have about 100hp more and are rated 33mpg highway for similar money.

its a completely different beast though, 300 hp from a V6 w/Turbo, vs, 180 hp from straight 4 no turbo. there is no comparing the two, one is a sport sedan the other a hatchback coupe.

 

[Vetterin]

2007/2008 Corvette!

 

[JulesMaximus]

LOL @ tC being fast.

No kidding, my 8 year old Maxima will kill the tC.

 

[jhu]

Or get 2 cars: the one you want, and a used 1st gen Prius for commuting (which are really cheap now).

 

[jlee]

(Almost) All cars are fast, by any reasonable standard.

In 1980, maybe.

 

[3chordcharlie]

In 1980, maybe.

Except for some really budget, weak entries, everything out there will trap at 90mph+. By public road standards that's fast.

0-60 in 7.5 or less, 1/4 mile in ~15 is plenty fast for any purpose other than racing. There's hardly a car on the road that can't complete a dicey on-ramp merge, or an effective pass at highway speeds.

I remember trying to merge in a ~80hp ford 2.3L (and it at least had a 4spd!). That was a slow car.

We're just spoiled now!

 

[Dirigible]

In 1980, maybe.

As someone who learned to drive in 1980 on a Jeep from the '40s, and followed that up a few years later by driving a ~60hp VW microbus, everything today sure seems fast to me. Makes it easy for me to get a car that's powerful enough to make me happy.

 

[jlee]

Except for some really budget, weak entries, everything out there will trap at 90mph+. By public road standards that's fast.

0-60 in 7.5 or less, 1/4 mile in ~15 is plenty fast for any purpose other than racing. There's hardly a car on the road that can't complete a dicey on-ramp merge, or an effective pass at highway speeds.

I remember trying to merge in a ~80hp ford 2.3L (and it at least had a 4spd!). That was a slow car.

We're just spoiled now!

There is a difference between 'adequate' or 'good enough' and 'fast'.

I guess I just have a different perspective.

 

[Elfear]

V6 Mustang w/Track Pack blows the balls off the Camaro V6 and even trades blows with the V8 Camaros pretty evenly. Who cares if they're common, when they're better?

The V6 Mustang is pretty sweet for what it is but I'm calling shens on it being "pretty even" with a Camaro SS.

According to Car & Driver:

........................Mustang V6...........Mustang GT.........Camaro SS
Lightning Lap..... 3:12.5................. 3:08.6................ 3:09.5
1/4 Mile.............14.0@104mph....... 13.2@109mph.......13.0@111mph
0-60.................5.4s.................... 4.6s................... 4.6s

 

[Arkaign]

The V6 Mustang is pretty sweet for what it is but I'm calling shens on it being "pretty even" with a Camaro SS.

According to Car & Driver:

........................Mustang V6...........Mustang GT.........Camaro SS
Lightning Lap..... 3:12.5................. 3:08.6................ 3:09.5
1/4 Mile.............14.0@104mph....... 13.2@109mph.......13.0@111mph
0-60.................5.4s.................... 4.6s................... 4.6s

As many in ATG have learned over the years, C&D is barely a step above Consumer Reports. I'm not saying the Mustang V6 is anywhere near as powerful as the Camaro SS, but the weight and usable performance at sub-100 speeds seems fairly even, a race would be irritatingly close for the SS owner considering the price difference. The launch control helps the SS driver though, if he forgets that then it's pretty much neck and neck on the 6spd until 70+ (which honestly we'd all want, lol).

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_1003_2011_ford_mustang_v_6_test/index.html

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0903_2010_chevrolet_camaro_test/specs_test_data.html

Mustang V6

0-30 1.9 sec
0-40 2.8
0-50 3.9
0-60 5.1
0-70 6.7
0-80 8.5
0-90 10.5
0-100 13.1
Passing, 45-65 mph 2.7
Quarter mile 13.7 sec @ 102.0 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph 104 ft
Lateral acceleration 0.96 g (avg)
MT figure eight 25.8 sec @ 0.71 g (avg)

Camaro SS *= Launch Control not activated

0-30 2.0/2.3 sec*
0-40 2.7/3.0*
0-50 3.6/3.9*
0-60 4.7/5.1*
0-70 5.8/6.2*
0-80 7.3/7.9*
0-90 8.8/9.4*
0-100 10.5/11.1*
Passing 2.1/2.1*
Quarter Mile 13.0 sec @ 111.0 mph/13.4 sec @ 110.6 mph*
Lateral G 0.90 g
Braking 105 ft
MT Figure Eight 25.8 @ 0.80 g

 

[LTC8K6]

Yep. If a good driver in a 2011 Mustang V6 with the track pack, were chasing a Camaro SS, the SS driver would be pretty upset.

Except for that silly governor on the V6 Mustang, which effectively ends the chase as soon as a decent straight comes up...

The SS will then march away smartly, never to be seen again...

 

[BlackTigers]

^^ Those two cars are so close, you'd have to be nothing short of a brand whore or a huge camaro (...or V8) fan to pick the SS... I'd take the much cheaper Ford in a heart beat.

 

[zerocool84]

As many in ATG have learned over the years, C&D is barely a step above Consumer Reports. I'm not saying the Mustang V6 is anywhere near as powerful as the Camaro SS, but the weight and usable performance at sub-100 speeds seems fairly even, a race would be irritatingly close for the SS owner considering the price difference. The launch control helps the SS driver though, if he forgets that then it's pretty much neck and neck on the 6spd until 70+ (which honestly we'd all want, lol).

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_1003_2011_ford_mustang_v_6_test/index.html

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0903_2010_chevrolet_camaro_test/specs_test_data.html

Mustang V6

0-30 1.9 sec
0-40 2.8
0-50 3.9
0-60 5.1
0-70 6.7
0-80 8.5
0-90 10.5
0-100 13.1
Passing, 45-65 mph 2.7
Quarter mile 13.7 sec @ 102.0 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph 104 ft
Lateral acceleration 0.96 g (avg)
MT figure eight 25.8 sec @ 0.71 g (avg)

Camaro SS *= Launch Control not activated

0-30 2.0/2.3 sec*
0-40 2.7/3.0*
0-50 3.6/3.9*
0-60 4.7/5.1*
0-70 5.8/6.2*
0-80 7.3/7.9*
0-90 8.8/9.4*
0-100 10.5/11.1*
Passing 2.1/2.1*
Quarter Mile 13.0 sec @ 111.0 mph/13.4 sec @ 110.6 mph*
Lateral G 0.90 g
Braking 105 ft
MT Figure Eight 25.8 @ 0.80 g

This all comes up to the driver. Obviously the SS is much faster, just look at the trap speed but the driver would make the car faster just like any car.

 

[exdeath]

There is a difference between 'adequate' or 'good enough' and 'fast'.

I guess I just have a different perspective.

A modded MR2 Turbo will do that

 

[Arkaign]

This all comes up to the driver. Obviously the SS is much faster, just look at the trap speed but the driver would make the car faster just like any car.

That's a good point, and it kind of goes with what I'm saying. A great driver in the Mustang and an average driver in the SS will end up in unexpected waters in typical stoplight muscle shenanigans. On a 1/4 mile track the Camaro starts to show the ~120hp hp advantage once the speeds get much above 70mph. Crazily enough, if the SS driver doesn't use launch control (or forgets), then the 0-60 by expert drivers in both will be in the low 5s. I do think that it's probable that more gains can be had with good drag tires on the SS than the Mustang V6 for straight-line contests.

The real crazy thing is that this is even a reasonable topic of conversation. The old Mustang V6 was in no way a contender against virtually any performance car, and now this one is a stone's throw away from such things as the Camaro SS, Genesis 3.8, 370Z, etc, while the Mustang GT solidly dominates them. The V6 Mustang even slaps around the V8 R/T Challenger.

The Challenger is a fat pig that simply cannot be helped. It's a cool design in many ways, but when you see them up close and personal you notice a lot of cheap stuff, fake plastic bits here and there, questionable interior design, though imho it's easily the most comfortable of the three current US muscle cars. I think the Camaro looks the best in person, but the visibility from inside is simply abominable. The Camaro I got to drive a few months back also felt kind of detached while driving, like the power assist was turned up to 11 and I was very insulated from tactile feedback from what the car was doing.

*- I haven't driven any of the Challengers, only sat in them. I have driven the V6 Mustang manual and V6 Camaro autos, and the older 4.6 GT Mustang.

 

[zerocool84]

That's a good point, and it kind of goes with what I'm saying. A great driver in the Mustang and an average driver in the SS will end up in unexpected waters in typical stoplight muscle shenanigans. On a 1/4 mile track the Camaro starts to show the ~120hp hp advantage once the speeds get much above 70mph. Crazily enough, if the SS driver doesn't use launch control (or forgets), then the 0-60 by expert drivers in both will be in the low 5s. I do think that it's probable that more gains can be had with good drag tires on the SS than the Mustang V6 for straight-line contests.

The real crazy thing is that this is even a reasonable topic of conversation. The old Mustang V6 was in no way a contender against virtually any performance car, and now this one is a stone's throw away from such things as the Camaro SS, Genesis 3.8, 370Z, etc, while the Mustang GT solidly dominates them. The V6 Mustang even slaps around the V8 R/T Challenger.

The Challenger is a fat pig that simply cannot be helped. It's a cool design in many ways, but when you see them up close and personal you notice a lot of cheap stuff, fake plastic bits here and there, questionable interior design, though imho it's easily the most comfortable of the three current US muscle cars. I think the Camaro looks the best in person, but the visibility from inside is simply abominable. The Camaro I got to drive a few months back also felt kind of detached while driving, like the power assist was turned up to 11 and I was very insulated from tactile feedback from what the car was doing.

*- I haven't driven any of the Challengers, only sat in them. I have driven the V6 Mustang manual and V6 Camaro autos, and the older 4.6 GT Mustang.

Here's a '10 Camaro SS vs '10 Dodge Challenger vs '11 Ford Mustang

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests..._challenger_srt8_comparison/test_numbers.html

 

[jlee]

A modded MR2 Turbo will do that

truth.

 

[punjabiplaya]

truth.

it's a damn bug I swear. I've held off the modding (being broker than shit helps) but I want moaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr poweerrrrrrrrr <tim allen grunt>

 

[jlee]

it's a damn bug I swear. I've held off the modding (being broker than shit helps) but I want moaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr poweerrrrrrrrr <tim allen grunt>

Now that my truck is sold, everything I own (that has four wheels) is turbocharged.

 

[punjabiplaya]

Now that my truck is sold, everything I own (that has four wheels) is turbocharged.

you're not as serious about your turbocharging as this guy, step up your game