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[tg2708]

You should definitely put the rear case fan back on. I linked a bag of screws earlier in the thread, but here they are again.

ok i will but do you have any fan recommendations? I think i will just by 1-3 since I really dont feel like just ordering the screws alone.

 

[mfenn]

ok i will but do you have any fan recommendations? I think i will just by 1-3 since I really dont feel like just ordering the screws alone.

If you're going to buy fans, you might as well buy good ones. I like this Noctua NF-F12 (120mm for the rear).

 

[tg2708]

If you're going to buy fans, you might as well buy good ones. I like this Noctua NF-F12 (120mm for the rear).

ok no problem, how many will i need? also whats your take on some of my cpu cores reaching 82 degrees with the after market cooler running prime95 (a little worried thats all). Also their is a strange noise, not sure if its coil whine coming from the gpu when playing certain games, the psu makes a similar noise under load to.\o.

 

[lehtv]

I think $24 is a huge price to pay for a fan. Here's a dual pack of Corsair SP120's for $28: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835181025

Or dual AF120's for $29: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835181021

I don't know which is better But I know both are great

 

[tg2708]

Went ahead and ordered the noctua and screws. Will purchase additional ones if necessary but with all that said low noise is not a must right now as long as I can get good airflow. Said this a few times before but the graphics card and psu makes a weird noise when under load.

 

[mfenn]

ok no problem, how many will i need? also whats your take on some of my cpu cores reaching 82 degrees with the after market cooler running prime95 (a little worried thats all).

82 degrees while priming is not really worth getting worried about right now. You don't have a proper airflow setup without the side panel on and a rear fan installed.

Also their is a strange noise, not sure if its coil whine coming from the gpu when playing certain games, the psu makes a similar noise under load to.\o.

That's coil whine and is perfectly normal.

 

[tg2708]

82 degrees while priming is not really worth getting worried about right now. You don't have a proper airflow setup without the side panel on and a rear fan installed.



That's coil whine and is perfectly normal.

Thanks for the reassurance got to make sure everything is alright. Even though I'm over budget I will still consider parts deemed necessary for a fully functioning system. Graphic performance is pretty good so far but I'm only considering mildly overclocking though.

Damn newegg did not ship the fan yesterday so I will be getting them probably Tuesday.

 

[tg2708]

I got the fan and installed it but its not showing up in hwmonitor. I plugged it into the cpu controller number 2 because the 130 is blocking another connector.

 

[lehtv]

Can you find it in HWinfo64?

 

[tg2708]

Can you find it in HWinfo64?

Nope its only show the cpu fan, the one in the front and the other stock fan that i installed at the top (was at the back).

Edit: hwinfo64 freezes the computer

 

[mfenn]

I got the fan and installed it but its not showing up in hwmonitor. I plugged it into the cpu controller number 2 because the 130 is blocking another connector.

It depends on what your motherboard exposes and how it does so. The BIOS or the mobo manufacturer's software is really the only reliable way to see the fan speeds.

 

[tg2708]

It depends on what your motherboard exposes and how it does so. The BIOS or the mobo manufacturer's software is really the only reliable way to see the fan speeds.

Yea the bios shows its. Also how do I make sense sense of the occt test?

 

[mfenn]

Yea the bios shows its. Also how do I make sense sense of the occt test?

Basically you want to look at the voltage graphs to make sure they stay fairly constant and look at the temperature graphs to make sure there are no spikes to unsafe temps.

 

[tg2708]

Info graphs were irrelevant as they were stock settings.

 

[tg2708]

^above is a few. just let me know if those are good and i will delete most of them.

 

[mfenn]

Yes, those all look fine. The CPU temperatures in particular are very good.

 

[tg2708]

Yes, those all look fine. The CPU temperatures in particular are very good.

very glad to hear that. Now I'm curious as to how to proceed from here with overclocking? In the bios the options to overclock the cpu are 4.0, 4.2, 4.4, 4.7 and 4.8 the last two are red so those seem unsafe. The bios also has a whole host of the options with regards to tweaking it but I'm fearful of changing them from default. The only thing I felt comfortable to change was the hz to 4.2.

 

[mfenn]

4.7 is a pipe dream on Haswell unless you have some really good cooling. With a K-series chip, you can simple just change the clock speed to 4.2. If it crashes, give it (a little) more voltage. Monitor load temps all the way, if you get above 90, that is too much voltage.

 

[tg2708]

Tried overclocking and computer kept on freezing as soon as I load up a heavy load task. Also to add to my dilemma I was running all those cpu and gpu tests for nothing seen they where at stock speeds so issues would have probably been non existent. So much settings to tweak. Also is this a trial and error endeavor? So if anyone is willing to post any settings they changed in the bios for overclocking to 4.2 let me know. Also I know every chip is slightly different but I still need to know which options should be changed.

 

[lehtv]

Tried overclocking and computer kept on freezing as soon as I load up a heavy load task.

What MHz? 4200?

Need more voltage. Personally I like to OC with offset voltage. Just set manual offset voltage to +0.005 to begin with (or something similar, not sure how the OC features are on your mobo). If it's stable, you can optionally set a negative offset in order to save power and have lower temperatures. If it's not stable, then increase in 0.010-0.015 steps until it's stable.

I'd start with determining stability with a 30 minute Prime95 Small FFT test. When you find a minimum voltage where that's stable, increase voltage a little bit, leave it at that and you should be fine. If you want to properly determine stability, check out these testing guidelines by our admin Idontcare.

Finally it's possible though unlikely that an individual chip can't do 4.2Ghz reliably with just a bit of offset voltage tweaking. If you just can't get it stable, then settle for 4.1 or 4.0.

Also is this a trial and error endeavor?

Yes, but with a moderate OC like 4.2, it's a fairly simple process. You only have to adjust two settings: voltage and turbo clock speed. That's it. It's only at higher frequencies that you need more overvoltage, which in turn requires you to tweak other settings like power saving features etc.

So if anyone is willing to post any settings they changed in the bios for overclocking to 4.2 let me know.

I believe I'm using manual turbo clock at 4200mhz and manual offset voltage at -0.010 or so. My temperatures are about 70C in Prime95 Small FFT (the cooler I'm using is silent).

 

[tg2708]

It's always peaking at 100, prime95 always saying that a core is critical so I stopped the test.

 

[lehtv]

That's definitely too high. Something's definitely wrong here, the i30 should not perform that badly. You're about 30 degrees off from where you should be:http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/09/25/arctic_cooling_freezer_i30_13_cpu_cooler_review/4

I would suggest reinstalling the cooler and making sure the paste is evenly spread and that there's not too much of it, and that the cooler is tightly and securely attached, and also that the CPU fan RPM is where it should be (around 1300RPM at load).

I see now that your OCCT graphs were from the GPU test, not the OCCT CPU test. I'm not sure if mfenn noticed this when he said the CPU temps are very good... it's irrelevant what the CPU temps are when testing the GPU.

 

[tg2708]

Wow I was trying to avoid pulling it back down but I guess it must be done. Also the cpu fan is always spinning around 1260 rpm. I will get to it tomorrow once my new monitor arrives and is tested. Also the stock temperatures for the cpu seems to be normal with the i30 its just when I overclock but something is up.

Also those test are flawed as they don't take into account overclocking, a bit of stupidity on my part. GPU tests are producing errors too, saw occt show like 1300 errors, 1100/1450. Wow and I fear this going to get much worse.

Removed components just now and it seems that the thermal paste was nowhere on the cpu (probably due to not secured tightly). Anyway do I need to fully clean the old thermal paste off using alcohol? I have no alcohol available.

 

[lehtv]

Yes you need to clean both the CPU top and the cooler base fully before applying new paste. You need a non-linting cloth to wipe it off

I would buy some thermal compound cleaning liquid from Akasa, Tuniq or other. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835100010

Medical alcohol should work fine too, I think you need 90+ percent isopropyl, not entirely sure.

 

[tg2708]

Yes you need to clean both the CPU top and the cooler base fully before applying new paste. You need a non-linting cloth to wipe it off

I would buy some thermal compound cleaning liquid from Akasa, Tuniq or other. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835100010

Medical alcohol should work fine too, I think you need 90+ percent isopropyl, not entirely sure.

I'll check for the alcohol when I get to work, if not i'll order it when I get home later. Man can't believe their was absolutely no compound on the cpu. Also what application method did you use?