New Apple Power Macs

[OneOfTheseDays]

it doesn't matter what you say. Nobody on these forums will ever plunk down $5000 or even $4000 on a PC PERIOD, unless they are one of the insanely rich and wasteful. Nobody will ever buy the Macs that we are discussing, so this is all futile. What is the point in arguing over something that we will never use or buy?

You say that their are less problems with Macs due to their closed architecture and you are right. But WHERE is your FREEDOM of choice. Your stuck with whatever Apple gives you. Upgradability is nothing like it is on the PC platform, where we can literally pick each and every component for our PC's. Don't even try to counter this by saying you can do the same with a Mac because it's not the same and you don't have nearly as many choices and it is considerably more difficult to obtain the parts because there are less vendors. And not everyone uses a Via chipset for christ sakes so don't bring up this Via crap. Your the idiot that didn't do your homework and bought a Via chipset. Their kt333 are actually very stable and bug free however. Intel chipsets have great stability and are easily as stable as anything in an Apple computer.

Even Mac users admit that they will not buy the highest end Macs due to price. They tend to stick to Apple's midrange offerings, 773423423 is an example of this. Many in fact simply own the ibooks and laptops that Apple makes.

Thus, this is futile, and anything that 77732432432 is trying to argue about is pointless considering he doesn't and probably will never own the computer he is trying to defend.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

ever noticed how these threads end up with always one Mac fanatical zealot desperately trying to defend and counter every single point made against him/her.

 

[Acanthus]

77464897946513 you feel the need to never be wrong in any situation.

You compare a $5000 machine to a sub-$2000 PC and are happy that it can beat it at 5/10000 benchmarks. RC5 donesnt mean jack to me, or 99.9999% of other people for that matter. As far as the "specific tasks" macs are good for, a 2 way Xeon DDR system would more than likely defeat it in every single bechmark, hands down. With the exception of a server based app that would benefit from the huge cache.

If motorola was smart, they would design a chipset and license it out, and sell their CPUs to consumers. The G4 has so much potential but is paralyzed by old hardware design like low FSB, low memory bandwidth, lack of an AGP8x interface for up and coming cards. They are just always a step behind PCs, and come at a wicked high price premium.

 

[BFG10K]

But they do it in style.

It's not that the case can house 4 hard drives and 2 cd roms.

Then who cares that the Apple motherboard supports that configuration? The last time I checked, empty cases for G4 systems didn't officially even exist.

It's that the motherboard supports it.

(1) See above.
(2) Yeah, all for a "low" price of $5000.

It's the first Power PC in recent meory with 4 drive raid integrated into the motherboard. Wow? You can get that on a PC for less money!? No way!

I'm sure that you easily can. Also in terms of perfomance you could probably build three PCs for $5000 and each one of them would be faster and better than the Mac.

A single 2.53 GHz Northwood or a 2200+ Thoroughbred would absolutely cane that dual 1.2 GHz G4 plus they'll cost far less and have much better options too. And a dual Northwood or Thoroughbred system would absolultely murder the Mac system in terms of performance and still come out far less than $5000.

All except in worthless RC5 benchmarks and Jobs' three cherry picked Photoshop benchmarks that he runs on stage, even though it's been proven time and time again that in real world Photoshop benchmarks PCs absolutely butcher Macs and cost 1/2 - 1/3 the price.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

how come whenever i try to say what BFG10k just said it always comes off as flame bait?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Two questions:
How many buffer overflow exploits exist for x86 software? How many for PPC compiled software? Now I know most of you use Microsoft OSes, and because ofthat cant/dont worry aobut security, but to those of us in the =real world, we hacve to worry about who is on our systems.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

if we want security we just use Linux. If we are the casual user, zonealarm is just fine. I fail to see your point. We don't need to buy a ridiculously overpriced mac to have security when we can download Linux for free. Man, that was too easy monkeyboy, think a little harder.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

So i suppose the world we live in is all fantasy and fairy tales in lovely Microsoft Land? Your an idiot and your comment was stupid, shutup.

 

[Degenerate]

You compare a $5000 machine to a sub-$2000 PC and are happy that it can beat it at 5/10000 benchmarks.

I'm sure that you easily can. Also in terms of perfomance you could probably build three PCs for $5000 and each one of them would be faster and better than the Mac.

A single 2.53 GHz Northwood or a 2200+ Thoroughbred would absolutely cane that dual 1.2 GHz G4 plus they'll cost far less and have much better options too. And a dual Northwood or Thoroughbred system would absolultely murder the Mac system in terms of performance and still come out far less than $5000.

All except in worthless RC5 benchmarks and Jobs' three cherry picked Photoshop benchmarks that he runs on stage, even though it's been proven time and time again that in real world Photoshop benchmarks PCs absolutely butcher Macs and cost 1/2 - 1/3 the price.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
if we want security we just use Linux. If we are the casual user, zonealarm is just fine. I fail to see your point. We don't need to buy a ridiculously overpriced mac to have security when we can download Linux for free. Man, that was too easy monkeyboy, think a little harder.

Reread my comment genius. There are still plenty of buffer overflow exploits out there for Linux x86. Much less for PPC. Maybe its a form of security through obscurity, but why take the chance?

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

oh please, if linux and microsoft were SOOO susceptible to these attacks and our security was so entirely at risk, why the hell would everyone still be using this software. Please the security risks aren't nearly as bad as you make them out to be(i've never been hacked and never got a virus, all you need is common sense), and as we all know if a good hacker wants in he'll find a way in, Mac or PC, it doesnt matter.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
So i suppose the world we live in is all fantasy and fairy tales in lovely Microsoft Land? Your an idiot and your comment was stupid, shutup.

how come whenever i try to say what BFG10k just said it always comes off as flame bait?

Reread your first quote - it answers your question. You might try working on "tact".

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
oh please, if linux and microsoft were SOOO susceptible to these attacks and our security was so entirely at risk, why the hell would everyone still be using this software. Please the security risks aren't nearly as bad as you make them out to be(i've never been hacked and never got a virus, all you need is common sense), and as we all know if a good hacker wants in he'll find a way in, Mac or PC, it doesnt matter.

You must not do any professional computer work... If you did you might understand how dangerous it is out there

I will agree with the last part though, if he wants a way in he will get in, but I get to make it harder for him

Anyhow, why did you have a turn a perfectly good thread into another x86 fanboy "my penis gets larger with every megaherz I get!" thread? Let the Mac uses have a calm discussion about the new machines. Great, it doesnt game well. whoopty doo. Again, if I want to play games I use my ps2. If I liked computer games Id own a Microsoft OS for one of the machines. Great. But I usuallly have work to do, so I use systems that help me get that work done. One of the many platforms happens to be PPC. <comic guy voice>but you cant get 200000 frames per second with it!</comic guy voice> I dont need that many fps even ifI played the games!

Alright, so next to price and gaming performance, can you come up with a reason for someone not to owna ppc based platform? Not the fastest? What do you need all of those ghz for? And remember, we need non-gaming answers because I have given you that one situation already. Do you *need* all of that speed for non-gaming situations? Im guessing not.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Alright, so next to price and gaming performance, can you come up with a reason for someone not to owna ppc based platform?

Letsee, "price" and "gaming performance" are the first two reasons YOU already gave us. Nope . . . I don't need another reason to stick with the PC.

Actually, just ONE of those reasons is enough for me - especially price.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Alright, so next to price and gaming performance, can you come up with a reason for someone not to owna ppc based platform?

Letsee, "price" and "gaming performance" are the first two reasons YOU already gave us. Nope . . . I don't need another reason to stick with the PC.

Actually, just ONE of those reasons is enough for me - especially price.

Alright then, for a non-gamer, that has a real job and some work to do, PPC is a viable option. Thats all I wanted to hear. Now, stop crapping in the thread about the disappointing powermacs.

 

[kgraeme]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Let's not make this into a PC vs Mac thread, like it always turns out into. I've learned my lesson, trying to start any Mac thread inevitably comes out to become a PC vs Mac thread. Let's not compare this Mac to a PC, let's compare this Mac to previous Mac's and see how there really is a decent improvement over previous Mac's. The case looks great, it has the hardware to back it up, but unfortunately these are probably gonna cost an arm and a leg.

It's nice to see that you ask for peace and then dish out a backhanded compliment in the same post. And while 7757524 posts about how both platforms are useful and admits that the Mac is more expensive, you do nothing but be venomous. You who has never used a Mac.

It's fine that you like your PC, I like mine too. I find though that for some tasks I prefer to use my 450MHz G4 rather than my 2GHz P4. That's because the OS and the applications offer features and ease-of-use that aren't there for Windows XP for those tasks. Same goes for my XP box in the reverse situation. That's why I have both.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Alright, so next to price and gaming performance, can you come up with a reason for someone not to owna ppc based platform?

Letsee, "price" and "gaming performance" are the first two reasons YOU already gave us. Nope . . . I don't need another reason to stick with the PC.

Actually, just ONE of those reasons is enough for me - especially price.

Alright then, for a non-gamer, that has a real job and some work to do, PPC is a viable option . Thats all I wanted to hear. Now, stop crapping in the thread about the disappointing powermacs.

Hey, I just used your own words. The Powermacs are not for 95% of computer users - this we already know.

EDIT: Maybe you should get back to your "real" job. The only Mac I might consider is from MacDonalds.

And how is this a "thread-crap"?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Alright, so next to price and gaming performance, can you come up with a reason for someone not to owna ppc based platform?

Letsee, "price" and "gaming performance" are the first two reasons YOU already gave us. Nope . . . I don't need another reason to stick with the PC.

Actually, just ONE of those reasons is enough for me - especially price.

Alright then, for a non-gamer, that has a real job and some work to do, PPC is a viable option . Thats all I wanted to hear. Now, stop crapping in the thread about the disappointing powermacs.

Hey, I just used your own words. The Powermacs are not for 95% of computer users - this we already know.

I never said they were.

EDIT: Maybe you should get back to your "real" job. The only Mac I might consider is from MacDonalds.

Ill take fries with that.

And how is this a "thread-crap"?

Everytime there is a Mac thread many people here can only say how it doesnt get a bazillion frames per second in some sillly game. Come up with something new or let the Mac users discuss the Mac.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey


Everytime there is a Mac thread many people here can only say how it doesnt get a bazillion frames per second in some sillly game. Come up with something new or let the Mac users discuss the Mac.

I'm not surprised since this is mostly a PC forum. There are many Mac forums where you can have your quiet discussion (I notice somehow, that THEY are dissing the new Mac, however).

I don't object to other people "with real jobs" - even if they have snob superiority airs - using Mac. It's MAIN objection to most computer users is its (overly high) price tag and rather weak bang-for-the-buck.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

These forums are predominantly PC user forums. If you want a nice Mac discussion go to any of the many Mac forums and discuss there. You obviously have some kind of vendetta to try and prove that your Mac is superior otherwise you wouldn't bother posting here. You know full well that you aren't gonna convince anyone that your Mac is in any major way better than a PC so stop trying. And as to your question about posting something new besides price and performance, well that's pretty much all there is to it when considering a computer these days. It's like saying lets play basketball without a ball and a hoop.

 

[n0cmonkey]

I do lurk in some Mac forums. Im not trying to prove my Mac is better *for you*. And price/performance is not all there is. Macs are just as much PCs are x86 based machines are, much like mercedes benzes are cars just like hondas.

 

[kgraeme]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
These forums are predominantly PC user forums. If you want a nice Mac discussion go to any of the many Mac forums and discuss there. You obviously have some kind of vendetta to try and prove that your Mac is superior otherwise you wouldn't bother posting here. You know full well that you aren't gonna convince anyone that your Mac is in any major way better than a PC so stop trying. And as to your question about posting something new besides price and performance, well that's pretty much all there is to it when considering a computer these days. It's like saying lets play basketball without a ball and a hoop.

That was just a drawn-out way of saying "I'm gonna thread-crap, so FU!"

 

[n0cmonkey]

Well, I must admit Im happy you all dont thread crap in the few Mac help threads on the board. So I thank you for that. I guess I can give up intelligent conversation in the name of closed minded zealotry once in a while.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

I have no problem thread-crapping the hell out of any of your stupid mac threads. Granted i'm not really thread-crapping if i'm saying the truth. And the truth is mac's are expensive, weaker performing, computers than PC's are.

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[Eug]

I'm surfing right now on my XP box, and beside me my iBook is burning a DVD (external drive).

I like 'em both and they definitely are complementary. I'd hate to have only one or the other.

Anyways, I just installed Mac OS X.2. It is SWEET. X.1 was good, but X.2 is just that much nicer. XP is a pretty nice GUI, but OS X.2 is best GUI of all time IMO.