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New AMD Polaris based GPU

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del42sa said:
AMD Radeon RX 590 Review Roundup

performance wise pathetic, memory bandwidth restrained, performance/price not great, power consumption very high.
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Well, AMD are competing with themselves in value- nVidia GTX1060 is not competitive when compared to same performance but lower price RX570/580 (+2 great games, + Freesync), or higher performance, similar price RX590, Vega56 (+3 great games and Freesync). And, AMD have sold ~100M worth of GPU too much into the channel, which have to be cleared- so it is natural to have RX590 as a worse deal than RX580 or Vega56 cards.
 
Anandtech is claiming it's produced at GloFo, PC Gamer is claiming TSMC. My money is on GloFo but I can't find anything official from AMD stating as much.
 
Read the Anandtech review. Disappointing GPU all around. Old core. Old performance levels (it's still largely equivalent to an aftermarket overclocked 980/390x from 2014...) Just plain boring and uninspiring. A refresh of a refresh of a GPU that only swapped out some parts from earlier GPUs. If I had to describe the 590 in one word, it would be "Stale"
 
I feel the point of this GPU is to clear inventory if there are already unsold Polaris cards in the channel as AMD claims. Performance has not improved that much compared to the RX 580 and now people will more likely get the RX 580s at a cheaper price while the stocks last while the pricing of the RX 590 makes it less attractive for the moment. Kinda like the GTX 1080 Ti Vs RTX 2080 or GTX 1080 Vs RTX 2070.
 
Wow, power draw 100W over a GTX 1060.

Jeff Kampman:
I tested system power draw using Doom's Vulkan renderer and observed 290 W at the wall for the RX 590 and 190 W for the GTX 1060 6 GB. I'll get that graph in later, but the move to 12LP does not change the fact that AMD is way behind on perf/watt.
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I don't see the point of releasing a new Polaris based card when the Ryzen APUs are using Vega. AMD would have been better off improving Vega instead if they are having issues with Navi.

I would have tried to reduce the power draw of Vega instead.
 
It's way off of any efficiency curves, but personally I don't care. These variants come with solid coolers, and are a stone's through away from EVGA 1060 6gb prices. They offer a 5-15% leg up on the 1060.

If after rebate or equivalent pricing puts it in the $260 category it's fine with me as a recommendation. Most people that have ever asked me for component advice don't care one iota about power usage. Just whatever gets them the most for the money.
 
thecoolnessrune said:
It's way off of any efficiency curves, but personally I don't care. These variants come with solid coolers, and are a stone's through away from EVGA 1060 6gb prices. They offer a 5-15% leg up on the 1060.

If after rebate or equivalent pricing puts it in the $260 category it's fine with me as a recommendation. Most people that have ever asked me for component advice don't care one iota about power usage. Just whatever gets them the most for the money.
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Yeah but some of us don't want our systems to be usable as a space heater.
 
Nvidia Pascal has retained itself as being one of the best all around GPU product lines. Not even Nvidia has bested it w/ the new Geforce20.
I'm happy i bought and have utilized one from launch and added even more to the stable. Neither Nvidia or AMD have offered anything that is all around better yet. When they do, they'll have my attention.

PCIE 4.0 and 7nm at a minimum. AMD is no different
 
whm1974 said:
Yeah but some of us don't want our systems to be usable as a space heater.
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I don't know, it does come in handy for New England winters, especially if one's apt. already has electric heat. (Mining for money and your heat for free. I want my, I want my, M-TV.)
 
VirtualLarry said:
I don't know, it does come in handy for New England winters, especially if one's apt. already has electric heat. (Mining for money and your heat for free. I want my, I want my, M-TV.)
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My concern is the longevity of expensive hardware, especially since I'm on a fixed income.
 
ub4ty said:
Nvidia Pascal has retained itself as being one of the best all around GPU product lines. Not even Nvidia has bested it w/ the new Geforce20...
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Pascal are certainly one of the best lines ever, but also one of the most expensive; prices are just going to up as NVIDIA pulls ahead. Having said that, the RX 590 is an odd and very lateral move for AMD. I feel like Vega was a step in the right direction but almost a half-measure approach to next gen GPU arch. They claim they'll be competitive in the high end market again but I don't see it with their current RM.
 
whm1974 said:
Yeah but some of us don't want our systems to be usable as a space heater.
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I don't disagree with that at all. For those that are willing to trade performance for efficiency there are already options (the 1060 being one).

As I was saying, the vast majority of people that have asked me for hardware options don't care even a little bit about how much power their rig uses. They just want the fastest for the money. Just like those people who buy big TN monitors. You bring up colors and they don't care at all, they just want the largest screen they can get for the money.

Fortunately, there's products for both groups of people on the market.
 
I just don't get them is like telling a child that he won't get his toy today....

AMD we don't need RX 590... keep it for yourself.

I am running my RX 480 at 1275MHz/2100MHz 1.0V ~120-130W for a reason... maybe it is time to switch?
 
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Pascal are certainly one of the best lines ever, but also one of the most expensive; prices are just going to up as NVIDIA pulls ahead. Having said that, the RX 590 is an odd and very lateral move for AMD. I feel like Vega was a step in the right direction but almost a half-measure approach to next gen GPU arch. They claim they'll be competitive in the high end market again but I don't see it with their current RM.
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Pascal was one w/ the best value. Expensive... Hardly not. I purchased my 1070s/1080s/1070tis at great values IMO. Geforce 20 series (Turing) is a flaming turd. I bought an RX Vega near launch but the driver/dev stack was garbage and I got quickly pissed off that marketed features were either unavailable or didn't perform as stated. Geforce 20 is Nvidia's RX Vega except it is 2-3 times more expensive. I call a spade a spade. Neither company has been able to best their prior series with something eye catching on value/performance. I'm sure that will come w/ 7nm which is why smart people wait until the major release occurs on a new process/long term architecture that is correctly priced for value.

I'm not a fan of anything pushing north of 1080's power utilization. That's the ceiling for me.
So, performance better be notably different within a 1080s power envelope and be equal or less in price.

Right about when pc building went mainstream, it seems the consumer base likes to be lead around by the collar. I dictate as a consumer what is a great value and a company only gets my money when they respect and deliver a product in such a configuration. Until they do, or prices drop, they can pound salt. Nothing in my life changes with 10-20 more fps.
 
thecoolnessrune said:
I don't disagree with that at all. For those that are willing to trade performance for efficiency there are already options (the 1060 being one).

As I was saying, the vast majority of people that have asked me for hardware options don't care even a little bit about how much power their rig uses. They just want the fastest for the money. Just like those people who buy big TN monitors. You bring up colors and they don't care at all, they just want the largest screen they can get for the money.

Fortunately, there's products for both groups of people on the market.
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I'll be 100% honest with you. Almost every time something goes mainstream it turns to crap. Gaming... PC building... pop music.. etc. It all follows the same trend once mainstream takes over. Power utilization is important. Calling yourself an enthusiast doesn't excuse the fact that power utilization is an important metric. I can simply crank the wattage by 100W until you clearly accept that there's a certain power utilization that's not acceptable. So, clearly.. it is an important figure. Fastest for the money smacks of consumerism. Who are you competing against? Whose sponsoring you? What's the prize for having the fastest gear? It's like people obsessed with professional grade wares... The pros are sponsored... They don't pay for that crap. And honestly it does little to really change things. They need to be on the bleeding edge to win. Winning is their occupation and how they pay the bills. Marketing relies on winning to sell products. Meanwhile, there's Joe Thomas at home ranting about the bleeding edge. The highest refresh rate monitor. $300 cheery key keyboard. SLI 2080tis. Muh 9900k OC'd 1000 Watt inferno. Meanwhile..

Response time to visual stimuli (human being) : 250ms
Average packet latency : 45ms

Pixel latency : 4-5ms

The bleeding edge doesn't exist. It's a meme. You're the weakest and slowest link in the chain by orders of magnitude.
Mainstream doesn't want to hear this, never bothers themselves to know this... Their mantra is : Take my money.. I want to feel like Micheal Jordan.
You'll never be Jordan and Jordan isn't Jordan because he wears $300 sponsored shoes from Nike. It's just a gimmick to sell Joe average on overpriced meme gear.
 
Ironic. In the cpu forum where AMD is competitive in power consumption, it is touted as the be all/end all, and how great Ryzen is because of its efficiency. Now in this thread, it doesnt seem to matter anymore. In any case, I have two PCs; one has a 430 watt and one has a 460 watt PSU. Power consumption essentially twice that of the 1060 certainly *does* matter to me. In fact I just bought a 1060 without reservation as to the PSU, but I certainly would not do that with 225 watts for the 590.
 
frozentundra123456 said:
Ironic. In the cpu forum where AMD is competitive in power consumption, it is touted as the be all/end all, and how great Ryzen is because of its efficiency. Now in this thread, it doesnt seem to matter anymore. In any case, I have two PCs; one has a 430 watt and one has a 460 watt PSU. Power consumption essentially twice that of the 1060 certainly *does* matter to me. In fact I just bought a 1060 without reservation as to the PSU, but I certainly would not do that with 225 watts for the 590.
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I haven't read this entire thread, but over the last several pages I haven't seen that at all. Most people on the past couple pages (all?) are highly critical of the power consumption.
 
Are decently new and powerful cards actually affordable now or are the prices still jacked WAY the redacted up because of all the damn miners?


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