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imported_microbe

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Last week I got you guys to help me with a new video card to balance out my system as my 8800GT bit the dust (will bake it next weekend) here: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2054902

Rig: Gateway FX 7024 ( no overclocking)
Core 2 Quad Q6600 (2.40 GHz)
Intel G33 Chipset
3072 MB DDR2, 667 MHz, (PC2-5300) dual channel memory
500 GB, 7200 RPM, SATA II hard drive
XFX 5770 1gig
400 watt Power Supply
GEM 19" CRT (playing @ 1280*960 rez)
Vista Home Premium 32bit

I went ahead and did a fresh reformat and install of windows (install I had was over two years old) in anticipation, however I'm pretty sure this new xfx5770 is not performing up to par. In 3dmark06 my SM scores are simply too low. Now, my cpu score seems right running around 3300, which from what I've read is good for a stock q6600. On the other hand my average SM2.0 is only 4920 and SM3.0 is only 6150, getting about 12500 total score on average. Everywhere I go I see this card performing around SM2.0 6500 and SM3.0 7600 (15000ish total), and yes, even with slower procs.

Also Crysis is not running any better than it did with my old 8800GT, (hovering around 30fps) and before anyone yells my proc is holding me back, I know it is a little at that rez. The fact remains though that Crysis is highly GPU dependent and I SHOULD have gotten a good measurable increase in performance. Atleast more than nothing. I'd like to know what you all think before I try an MRA?

Here is what I've done so far. Two full installs of Vista, All drivers are up to date, tried multiple ati drivers, GPU-z shows everthing is good with ROPs and clock rates, PCIe is running in 16x, Temps are good, found atleast one other person with the same unresolved problem here: http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?t=468619 Been doing this crap all day.

Got it from Newegg, should I send it back?
 
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Did you make sure to install your chipset drivers before your video drivers?
 
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imported_microbe

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Yes, I installed in this order:
Chipset
Lan
Windows Vista updates (all of them)
Video
Sound
Media Reader
3DMark06
Crysis
Installing Supcom and FA now
 
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I think he meant the GPU.

I don't see the 5770 being all that much faster than 9800gt. you aren't going to see dramatic difference. Only when you run out of video ram on the 8800gt it will be more dramatic.

You should still see 25% better frame rates. With AA it could be more.
 
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happy medium

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AzN said:
I think he meant the GPU.

I don't see the 5770 being all that much faster than 9800gt. you aren't going to see dramatic difference. Only when you run out of video ram on the 8800gt it will be more dramatic.
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Sorry, yes I meant the GPU.
 
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AzN said:
I think he meant the GPU.

I don't see the 5770 being all that much faster than 9800gt. you aren't going to see dramatic difference. Only when you run out of video ram on the 8800gt it will be more dramatic.

You should still see 25% better frame rates. With AA it could be more.
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Maybe not a ton faster, but faster none the less. Fact remains I should have seen a performance increase in Crysis and didn't because that game is WAY more GPU bound than CPU bound. I was expecting atleast 5 to 10 more fps in that game based on what I've read.

Also, looking up more 3dmark06 comparisons it seems my 5770 is scoreing like a 4770 with systems having similer proc speeds. Something just doesn't seem right here. I could score 11500 with my old 8800GT all day long, so you mean going from a 8800GT 512MB to a 5770 1gig only nets me 1000 points and absolutely nothing in Crysis??? It's just that none of the data and comparisons that I can find anywhere support that.

Will I void my warranty if I overclock my XFX GPU?
 
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imported_microbe

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happy medium said:
overclock your gpu to 925, 1300 and see if you have any gains.
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No need to sweep drivers as I'm on a freshreformat. Got msi afterburner and overclocked. I got no gain really with a score of 12811 because I have scored 12880 without the overclock.

vj8usa: thats what I thought.
 
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imported_microbe said:
Maybe not a ton faster, but faster none the less. Fact remains I should have seen a performance increase in Crysis and didn't because that game is WAY more GPU bound than CPU bound. I was expecting atleast 5 to 10 more fps in that game based on what I've read.
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Actually at 1280x960 you are almost completely cpu bound. Even in Crysis.

imported_microbe said:
No need to sweep drivers as I'm on a freshreformat. Got msi afterburner and overclocked. I got no gain really with a score of 12811 because I have scored 12880 without the overclock.
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And This proves it. No gain when overclocking the video card proves you are not gpu bound. If you were you would see an increase all things being equal. At that low of a resolution you are simply CPU bound.
 
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Your 3dmark numbers seem correct.
Perhaps your motherboard is not as good as used in some of the other benchmarks you have seen? Memory speed makes a big difference. Or, maybe since you tested in Vista, while others tested in XP or Win7?

The HD 5770 performs about the same as the HD 4870, but adds DX11. If you expect more, it is not the right card.

For comparison, here is what the slightly faster Powercolor factory overclocked 5770 scores in my system.

HD 5770 1gig POWERCOLOR AX5770 1GBD5-PPG
(785g) AM3 X4 620 2.60ghz stock (200x13), 4gig DDR3 1600, Win7 32bit.
gpu stock speed 875/1225MHz, default ati set to performance in CCC.

3dmark06 = 13475, (5261 sm2, 6467 sm3, 3697 cpu)
3dm2k6 video overclocked to 960/1410 = 13650

EDIT. Search benchmarks again and see that your numbers are about right.
Here is one, with a much faster CPU (scoring 4271 CPU), plus 6123 SM2 and 7181 SM3, which is much lower than the results you have previously found.
http://www.tweaktown.com/popImg.php?type=news&img=13287_11_full.jpg
 
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What settings are you running Crysis at now?

Try running crysis at different resolutions, both higher and lower. If your framerates don't change then you know the CPU is the bottleneck.

If this is the case then you can probably crank all the details up including AA and still maintain the same performance, something the 9800GT wouldn't be able to do.
 
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Just FYI, I went from an 8800GTS 512 (G92) to a 5770. 8800GTS is even better than a 8800GT and still I saw a significant increase going to the 5770. I am running at 1680x1050 res and on Windows 7. I think as the above poster mentioned we need to know what settings you are running Crysis on.
 
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for me the 5770 provided a 40-70% increase in games depending on the game. Initially i was disappointed because i enabled AA, only to find out i enabled Supersampling AA which takes a big hit. When i set it to normal AA like i had w/ my 8800gt thats when i saw the real performance increase.:)
 
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8800gts (g92) should trade blows and mostly lose to a 5750. He should have seen a nice jump going from an 8800gt to a 5770.
 
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Since you did a reinstall of Vista did you set the power plan to High Performance (default is Balanced)? I know the throttled down CPU is supposed to jump right back up when its called for, but just in case.
 
happy medium

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RobsTV said:
Your 3dmark numbers seem correct.
Perhaps your motherboard is not as good as used in some of the other benchmarks you have seen? Memory speed makes a big difference. Or, maybe since you tested in Vista, while others tested in XP or Win7?

The HD 5770 performs about the same as the HD 4870, but adds DX11. If you expect more, it is not the right card.

For comparison, here is what the slightly faster Powercolor factory overclocked 5770 scores in my system.

HD 5770 1gig POWERCOLOR AX5770 1GBD5-PPG
(785g) AM3 X4 620 2.60ghz stock (200x13), 4gig DDR3 1600, Win7 32bit.
gpu stock speed 875/1225MHz, default ati set to performance in CCC.

3dmark06 = 13475, (5261 sm2, 6467 sm3, 3697 cpu)
3dm2k6 video overclocked to 960/1410 = 13650
EDIT. Search benchmarks again and see that your numbers are about right.
Here is one, with a much faster CPU (scoring 4271 CPU), plus 6123 SM2 and 7181 SM3, which is much lower than the results you have previously found.
http://www.tweaktown.com/popImg.php?type=news&img=13287_11_full.jpg
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Your scores seem a little low too?

Here are my overclocked 5750 scores.

3d Mark 06 =16,802 (sm2, 6526 , sm3, 7653 , cpu 5190)
Even with your 5770 card overclocked it's slower then my 5750.

http://service.futuremark.com/home.action
 
Arkaign

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OP, is your case a standard case? You could put an aftermarket mobo in there perhaps.

Better yet :

New case, keep ram/video/hdd/dvdrw/misc, and combine with new mobo and tower cooler along with an oc to ~3.2ghz or so. Should be under $200 easily, and those OEM mobos sell for a surprisingly high amount on Ebay, so you should recoup $50-$100 depending on how it goes. I got $115 for an old Gateway socket 939 mobo just a couple months ago!
 
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NesuD said:
Actually at 1280x960 you are almost completely cpu bound. Even in Crysis.



And This proves it. No gain when overclocking the video card proves you are not gpu bound. If you were you would see an increase all things being equal. At that low of a resolution you are simply CPU bound.
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Sorry, but Crysis at 1280x960 is not cpu bound. I offer up this as proof:

Here we see Crysis at 1280x1024 getting measurable performance boots with the same cpu and only 2 gigs of ram each time the video card is upgraded. Notice how overclocking a q6600 from stock to 3.2 only gives 3fps (as I said before, not much cpu room there is it?). Now look how going from a 8800GT OC (my old card) to a 9800GTX (not as good as my 5770) gives over a 5 fps boost with the same cpu at the same clocks as I currently have in my system. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-gpu-upgrade,1928-8.html

Here we see Crysis at 1280x768 with and 8800Ultra and not gaining anything from cpu upgrades. http://www.hardwareguru.com/article/cpu-scaling-in-games-with-quad-core-processors/9

There is much more than that out there to back me up, but I'll just leave it at that....

I will concede though that I am a bit cpu bound in 3dmark06, but I still think my SM scores are a bit on the low side. I prolly shouldn't have even brought a synthetic into the mix. I'm more interested in real games.


iamezza7: Yes, I forgot my Crysis settings, sorry. I am playing @1280x960 very high, no AA or AF.


Leyawiin: Hmm, where do I set the "power plan" at?


tcsenter: That is one thing I can do, but never flashed a BIOS before. Gateway does show an update for that, I'll read up on it.


Arkaign: I would, but I was only looking to replace a dead card and get a balanced upgrade at the same time. This will be my sons rig soon as I'm about to build an x58 based system.


Thank you guys for your help so far. I'm heading off now to do some more runs in Crysis at different settings and do some runs in Forged Alliance, be back in a bit.
 
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