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imported_Rampage
Senior member
Ok, you have a 5 year warranty. Thats good.
Unfortunately for you, its still a more expensive drive, with much less space.
That 1.3 seconds is just a representation of that particular level. The point is that you paid a lot more, and didnt even get a superior product.
I basically said that the 7200.8 is competitive in all areas, and faster where it counts, in the area most people run out and buy Raptors for.
Just about everyone else. My Valve folder is 5.5GB, and the GTA SA folder is 5GB alone.
You dont have to attempt to justify paying more and getting less to me. I understand it was probably just an uninformed purchase.
Unfortunately for you, its still a more expensive drive, with much less space.
That 1.3 seconds is just a representation of that particular level. The point is that you paid a lot more, and didnt even get a superior product.
I basically said that the 7200.8 is competitive in all areas, and faster where it counts, in the area most people run out and buy Raptors for.
Just about everyone else. My Valve folder is 5.5GB, and the GTA SA folder is 5GB alone.
You dont have to attempt to justify paying more and getting less to me. I understand it was probably just an uninformed purchase.
Well while you're busy rubbing yourself thinking about your 300 gigs of empty space while you watch that XP bootup bar scroll past the screen endlessly like you're sitting at a railroad crossing I'll be fragging away in BF 2
And I would consider the Raptor absolutely superior to the 7200.8.
If I wanted 400gigs of space I'd go with the 7200.8
If I wanted speed I'd buy the raptor
And I would consider the Raptor absolutely superior to the 7200.8.
If I wanted 400gigs of space I'd go with the 7200.8
If I wanted speed I'd buy the raptor
imported_Rampage
Senior member
LOL way to make an ignorant statement. I can see you covering your ears screaming out loud to avoid realizing that the large charge on your credit card statement for those drives was a poor decision.
Too bad the Raptor is slower in gaming, for you that is.
I don't own a Raptor, so I have no reason to defend it or justify my purchase, but I do own a 7200.8 and it is unequivocally the slowest drive I've bought in years. I don't care what benchmarks Anand managed to mess up, there is no way a 7200.8 as anywhere near the performance of a Raptor in everyday use, it can't even compete with the other 7200RPM ATA drives available. For a boot drive, the 7200.8 is in no way a superior drive to the Raptor.
imported_Rampage
Senior member
No link? Typical.
We are at Anandtech though. And I trust Anandtech to give the most reliable results. Thats why I post here, its the best hardware site on the net.
But I suppose you will be at some Chinese or German site next trying to put the Raptors in a better light.
The truth is right there in Anandtechs article, competitive in all areas, faster in many and the most important area they are faster.
Toss in a much larger storage size, with a cheaper price.. and you have a first round knockout of the fanboy favorite Raptor.
www.storagereview.com
7200.8 is on the first page and raptor is here:
http://www.storagereview.com/articles/200401/20040126WD740GD_3.html
SR is one of the most if not most respected HDD review sites.
Here is their conclusion on the Raptor:
"Western Digital's newest entry shatters previous records by even more astonishing margins. In addition to leaving all other 10k RPM SCSI drives in the dust, the WD740GD approaches the performance of the 15k RPM Fujitsu MAS3735 and Maxtor Atlas 15k in the Office and Gaming DriveMarks. Further, it handily bests the two powerhouses in the High-End and Bootup DriveMarks. Overall, for non-server use, Western Digital's Raptor WD740GD is the fastest single hard disk one can buy regardless of spindle speed, interface, or price. "
😀
and the 7200.8
"Unfortunately, while the capacity is there, the performance is not. The 7200.8 lags significantly behind the latest offerings from Maxtor and Hitachi in both single-user and multi-user instances. "
:brokenheart:
7200.8 is on the first page and raptor is here:
http://www.storagereview.com/articles/200401/20040126WD740GD_3.html
SR is one of the most if not most respected HDD review sites.
Here is their conclusion on the Raptor:
"Western Digital's newest entry shatters previous records by even more astonishing margins. In addition to leaving all other 10k RPM SCSI drives in the dust, the WD740GD approaches the performance of the 15k RPM Fujitsu MAS3735 and Maxtor Atlas 15k in the Office and Gaming DriveMarks. Further, it handily bests the two powerhouses in the High-End and Bootup DriveMarks. Overall, for non-server use, Western Digital's Raptor WD740GD is the fastest single hard disk one can buy regardless of spindle speed, interface, or price. "
😀
and the 7200.8
"Unfortunately, while the capacity is there, the performance is not. The 7200.8 lags significantly behind the latest offerings from Maxtor and Hitachi in both single-user and multi-user instances. "
:brokenheart:
imported_Rampage
Senior member
PEBKAC.
You have something wrong with your system. Its a pretty blatantly incorrect statement to say its the "slowest drive" that anyone has bought in years.
imported_Rampage
Senior member
Your link doenst contain any real world tests.. just synthetics (and opinions).
You'd be a good person to start a witch hunt, or spread wives tales.. but I prefer reality, ie. real world tests that actually mean something.
I never said the Raptor sucks. You must be being a real cry baby over people revealing your purchase, while not the bumbling of a TOTAL noob.. but certainly an uniformed decision.
Hey it says "Raptor" on the box right? :thumbsup:
imported_Rampage
Senior member
I'd hope so, because you are wrong!
At synthetic tests, yes.
Gaming, no.
I own DM9 and DM10. DM9 is not a native SATA controller, they are IDE with translators. Thats an old drive.
DM10 is a nice drive and more competitive, but not as good as the Seagates.
You speak about the difference in times, but in the real world testing the 7200.8s are a full 8 seconds faster in loading the Doom3 level. But the real world tests the Raptor takes the crown in, its a whole .15 seconds faster in loading something useful like Photoshop.
So yeah, they dont suck. I never said that. But they are the synthetic benchmark champs.
And if thats what it takes for you to plop down $200 on a 74GB drive, I'm sure Western Digital will work hard to keep the Raptors on the top of those tests. :thumbsup:
That must be it, I have a strange problem with my system that only slows down Seagate drives. Also I said the 7200.8 was the slowest drive I have bought in years. Stop changing what other people have said. That said, I'm sure I have used a much larger variety of drives than you have, to give me a better perspective on just how slow the 7200.8 is. I don't need to rely on other people's opinions, I've seen it firsthand.
Andres3605
Senior member
Just got a Seagate 7200.8 and its pretty fast and responsive in my system, was going to get a raptor but anime just eats your HD, if Fracktal doesn?t need the space let him enjoy his raptors you don?t have to tell him to think like you, if he has another necessities and have the money good for him, you stick to your Seagates like me. Raptors: faster? more likely, convenient? Up to your necessities.
Andres3605
Senior member
in years !!! even 2mb and <7200rpm!, either your drive, drivers or sata ports, it feels at least as fast as my old SATA Hitachi
I have not purchased a desktop drive slower than 7200 RPM's since 1997. I haven't had a boot drive slower than 15k since 2000. I am very particular about the performance of my non-mass storage drives. The 7200.8 is used for mass storage, so performance doesn't matter, but it is undeniably perceptively slower than the ATA Maxtor's and WD's I've bought the past few years.
SynthDude2001
Lifer
Jesus, we even have hard drive flamewars here now? Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse...
entropy1982
Golden Member
lol tell me about it
imported_Rampage
Senior member
No, it really is just you though.
Its your opinion and experience that doesnt carry any weight.. Anandtech disagrees with you.
Regardless, whatever is the root of the problem that sucks and I hope you either get it fixed or get a drive that makes you happy. The 7200.8s should carry a decent resale with the 5 year warranty.
Suspicious-Teach8788
Lifer
Wow I thought I said this over and over agian. You seriously must've taken one of my posts and just copied it word for word. Those are like my words. I talked about synthetic tests as the only tests in which Raptors win. However, I think you are praising the 7200.8 too highly. Having used both a 7200.8 and a 74 GB raptor, the Raptor still wins in MANY MANY tests.
The 7200.8 is not exactly that fast. If you take the Hitachi T7K250 or the new WD native SATA drive or even the Maxtor 16mb cache one, then you will start kicking hte Raptor around.
Now the truth is the Raptor is OUTDATED. Stop whining about Raptors and realize that WD is moving onto next generation raptors by the end of 05/early 06. They are moving to 16mb cache and double platter size.
7200.8 is not the slowest drive I've owned in years. I've had a DeathStar 75GXP and I moved to a Hitachi 7K250 and then to a 7200.8. Each step of the way I felt a huge speed increase. So I'm sure there are faster drives, but the 7200.8 is by no means slow.
imported_Rampage
Senior member
Nope. Great minds just think alike. 😉
I dont know if I'm purposely trying to praise the 7200.8 "too highly" but just using it as a good example of a new drive with a new design that can beat the more expensive Raptors, where it counts.
Brand new true SATA controller, larger platter sizes than anyone else on the market.. I'm sure one or both of those two things are why this 8MB cache drive is trumping the Raptor.
I have trusted peoples opinions in the past, now I checkout credible reviews.. and go straight for the meat of the reviews.. the real world tests.
No 3dmark for me, no PCMark.. thats all total crap. I want what actually does perform the best in apps and games.
Which is why I'm praising the Seagates.. they are simply on top right now as far as the overall market goes.
I realize the Raptor is outdated, but I'm not going to give that old drive a pass just because its old.. if its been beaten.. its been beaten.
I feel no pity, I'm actually doing people a service by reminding them to not get caught up in synthetic benchmarks.
They mean just as much as having that "Raptor" logo on the box.
Maybe I'll change my tune if the new Raptors are worth their price tag. But I'm afraid the damage is done to that product line, WD knows people buy "Raptors" thinking they are the best.. so they can pretty much sell a decent drive (but not the best drive out there) and charge the most for it.
I'll be checking the real world test results on those as well, and comparing to Maxtor and Seagates products.
Until then, if a king was to be declared, I couldnt think of any drive lineup out there more deserving than the 7200.8s. But as you said, its def not the outdated Raptor.
We'll take another look at those with the '06 revisions.
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