Neverwinter Nights 2

[Bateluer]

It's "Soon"

What is interesting though, is that the nwn2.com website has a link to MoW, stating its available now. However, the link actually goes to the MotB site in a true demonstration of Atari incompetence.

 

[Bateluer]

The fact that this sank to page 2 without any replies reinforces what many have been telling Atari. You missed your opportunity. MoW was originally supposed to be released in November 2007, but was massively delayed while they futzed around with the DRM model they wanted to use. This has likely cost them a great deal of sales.

 

[shortylickens]

I care, a little. But it probably wont impress me.

We need BG3, not more overpriced crap with weak gameplay.

 

[AmberClad]

They're continuing to milk this one for all its worth eh?

I expected as much, so I decided right off the bat to not get NWN2 until they were finished releasing all the expansion packs, "gold" compilation pack, "platinum" compilation, "diamond", etc, like they did with the original NWN :roll:.

 

[alcoholbob]

NWN2 wasn't the massive disappointment that the original was, but with an average story, terrible controls and camera angles, poor animations, poor character models, below-average graphics (yet still manages to run like garbage on my system, dipping into 10s of fps occasionally), and the lack of permanent death really just turned the game into a charge-in fest.

Like NWN I dropped over $120 on all the "expansions" and they weren't much better than what was already seen.

Dragon Age: Origins will be 10 times the game NWN2 is. Too bad the game is already FINISHED and EA is just delaying the release so they can do a console port and do a simultaneous global release.

F'ing EA. The buy Bioware, and start to ruin everything right away. A PC exclusive that had been developed for 4 years, just about to be released...EA says, nope, you are gonna spend the next 12 months making a console version. And oh yeah...delay the PC release...just let the game sit around so you can make a carbon copy on the consoles...

Sigh...beginning of the end.

 

[Bateluer]

Originally posted by: Astrallite
NWN2 wasn't the massive disappointment that the original was, but with an average story, terrible controls and camera angles, poor animations, poor character models, below-average graphics (yet still manages to run like garbage on my system, dipping into 10s of fps occasionally), and the lack of permanent death really just turned the game into a charge-in fest.

I'll back your stance on Dragon Age. EA has a reputation of killing quality, and so far it seems they're doing the same thing to Dragon Age.

NWN1 wasn't a huge disappointment though. The original OC was pretty dismal and more of a technical demonstration, but the expansions and the hundreds of thousands of user made modules firmly cement NWN1's place in PC gaming's Hall of Fame. As great as Torment and BG were, there are only so many times you can play through them before you've seen everything. With NWN1, your limit was your imagination and there are modules to suit every play style.

 

[Schadenfroh]

The NWN games were always about the player-made content.

Dragon Age: Origins will be 10 times the game NWN2 is. Too bad the game is already FINISHED and EA is just delaying the release so they can do a console port and do a simultaneous global release.

Yup, I just hope that they are not "re-imagining" the game while they are waiting for the console ports to be done. Cannot release a PC game before the console port, might get pirated more!!!!!

 

[TidusZ]

NWN 2 is absolute garbage. I have a whole 2 days and 3-4 hours experience to back me up, ya I know, but still. It sucks.

 

[ja1484]

I haven't checked out any of the NWN 2 expansions after NWN 2 was decidedly meh, which was a real shame. I had hopes for it.


I haven't really been enamored with a Neverwinter Nights campaign since Hordes of the Underdark. Hordes was fucking badass.

Edit: Like most others here, I'm keyed in on Dragon Age to sate my fantasy itch this year.

 

[DaveSimmons]

I stopped playing the MoTB expansion about halfway through. It isn't bad, just not good enough to make me keep playing instead of other games I had like Mass Effect, Fallout 3, and now X-Com 1 . It's sad that a 386 16 MHz era game is more fun.

I did enjoy NWN 2 despite AI that had characters gulping every potion then casting level 8 spells against a single sickly kobold armed with a club -1 of self-bashing.

I may care about this expansion once it's released, reviewed, and patched a couple of times.

 

[alcoholbob]

X-com was too old for me even in the 486 33MHz days

For me it was a huge generation gap between 386 and 486--Mission Critical, Myst, 7th Guest/11th Hour, Command & Conquer...the only good game I remember on the 386 was Links :<

 

[s44]

Originally posted by: TidusZ
NWN 2 is absolute garbage. I have a whole 2 days and 3-4 hours experience to back me up, ya I know, but still. It sucks.

LOL.

It's not for Diablo clicklovers.

 

[Borealis7]

call me crazy, but i liked NWN2 OC and i think MotB is probably the 3rd or 4th best campaigns i ever played (except for all that spirit sucking thing).

everyone who says NWN2 is buggy, just patch it up (about a gig of patches though :Q ) and performance improves and the bugs go away, at least for me thats how it was.

 

[Zenoth]

Let's just wait for Diablo III, I know Blizzard always makes games that are fun for millions, even if other millions don't like it. I myself don't like World of Warcraft, but there's about 50 million unique account owners for it, it is popular, and it seems to be addictive and fun for those who do play it regularly. I still believe to this day that the best RPG (or I should maybe say action-RPG) I've ever played is Diablo II, with Baldur's Gate II following just behind (I just prefer the more action-oriented approach in DII, but the story of BGII is superior, they're technically both masterpieces in my book).

If BioWare can take the risk and certain challenge at making Baldur's Gate III, and if we also have DIII thrown in, there will be no need for Dragon Age or any other extra WoW expansions or NWN expansions. I liked the original NWN though, and I recently bought Titan Quest on Steam which surprised me by its resemblance with Diablo II (I mean a LOT), which I thought was surely fun and that it would allow me to experience a similar game than DII until DIII comes out. I'm just expecting a lot from Blizzard, but I know they'll deliver, they have to, and they're not EA, so the risks of seeing the Diablo franchise going down the drain is very thin to non-existent.

 

[Bateluer]

Originally posted by: Zenoth
Let's just wait for Diablo III . . .

They are completely different games. NWN2 is an RPG, Diablo games are not. They are click fests with pretty cut scenes. Diablo 3 will be no different. They cater to different demographics. NWN titles cater to those with brains. Diablo games cater to those who barely 'graduated' elementary school.

Originally posted by: Borealis7
call me crazy, but i liked NWN2 OC and i think MotB is probably the 3rd or 4th best campaigns i ever played (except for all that spirit sucking thing).

everyone who says NWN2 is buggy, just patch it up (about a gig of patches though :Q ) and performance improves and the bugs go away, at least for me thats how it was.

NWN2 at release was beta quality at best. The 1.03 patch brought it out of beta and improved performance significantly. A lot of benchmarks and review of NWN2's performance were bogus as well. When I first bought the game I had a Radeon 2900XT, and easily ran the game at 34fps steady with shadows and AA off at 1680x1050. Review sites that 'tested' the game posted numbers at the same res, with lower quality settings, half what I was getting. Either they were outright full of it, or they were running a custom time demo of a free for all with a dozen mages. The only time my frame rate dipped was when numerous high level spells were being cast.

Today, with my 4870, I experience almost no slowdowns at 1920x1200 with everything in game set to max except for shadows.

Shadows seem to kill performance in any game regardless of what hardware the system has.

On MoW, its important to know that this is being developed by Ossian Studios, the same people who brought us the excellent Darkness of Daggerford module for NWN1.

 

[nosfe]

when i played nwn2 when it came out, no patches i was still on my radeon 9500pro and managed to run it well at lowish settings but the game still looked good for me and it never went into slideshow mode. On the other hand i did play planescape:torment about 2 years ago and didn't mind the graphics at all so i must be in a minority

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Astrallite
NWN2 wasn't the massive disappointment that the original was, but with an average story, terrible controls and camera angles, poor animations, poor character models, below-average graphics (yet still manages to run like garbage on my system, dipping into 10s of fps occasionally), and the lack of permanent death really just turned the game into a charge-in fest.

Like NWN I dropped over $120 on all the "expansions" and they weren't much better than what was already seen.

Dragon Age: Origins will be 10 times the game NWN2 is. Too bad the game is already FINISHED and EA is just delaying the release so they can do a console port and do a simultaneous global release.

F'ing EA. The buy Bioware, and start to ruin everything right away. A PC exclusive that had been developed for 4 years, just about to be released...EA says, nope, you are gonna spend the next 12 months making a console version. And oh yeah...delay the PC release...just let the game sit around so you can make a carbon copy on the consoles...

Sigh...beginning of the end.

So wait, you say that NWN was a massive disappointment and youre banking on dragon age? Same guys.

 

[nosfe]

the bad thing is that its not the same guys, its the same guys + the great chaps at EA now

 

[ja1484]

Neverwinter Nights/sequels is a dyed-in-the-wool RPG. Diablo and its sequels are essentially Gauntlet redressed.

I enjoy both of them, and I'm not a damn bit ashamed to say so.

 

[jorken]

nwn1 will always be a classic for me. The OC was eh, but if you found yourself a nice PW with a good player based story and DM's you were in for a ton of fun.

 

[Zenoth]

Originally posted by: Bateluer

They are completely different games. NWN2 is an RPG, Diablo games are not. They are click fests with pretty cut scenes. Diablo 3 will be no different. They cater to different demographics. NWN titles cater to those with brains. Diablo games cater to those who barely 'graduated' elementary school.

Generalization is often the first intermediate isn't it.

You know... it's strange, because the last news concerning myself and my preference for Diablo II, at least from what I know about myself and my own life (unless you know more about me and I do, of course, which is apparently the case) are that I went to college and I was still playing the game during that time, and it never even interfered with my studying one single bit.

They cater to different demographics? You would then be surprised at how many 25+ and even 35+ years-old I've played regularly with in Diablo II. Yes of course as usual you will have gamers not reading the ESRB ratings for a game (Diablo II is rated 17+) and no one gives a flying you know what about it. There's always people of a certain age who aren't even supposed to own a Console and spend more time with their family and take their studying more seriously ending up days and nights in front of their monitor. But I didn't play it that way.

And what makes an RPG for you is certainly not the same with most people, it's all relative. I mean, well yes of course you probably developed games all your life and you know better than I do what makes a game an RPG so I'm wrong and I wasn't playing what I like to call an action-RPG back then but in fact a "click fest" game. Well I got news for you, I must have clicked just as often in Baldur's Gate II, with the only difference that I spent about twice the time reading text in it than I did in Diablo II, but in the end you need to click and kill creatures and get experience, however their execution is different.

Just name me a game in which you seem to click less than another or in which you click for a "better reason" than for getting rid of a horde of Hell-spawned monsters. And by the way I've played the original NWN on-line for a good time (at least a full year) and I've met plenty of immature players just like I've seen in Diablo II, and those players certainly lacked what you assume they all have because they play it rather than DII, namely a brain. Your generalization and presumption makes me sick, I've read and heard enough of that kind of comment. I'm sure you'd say the exact same about World of Warcraft and pretty much any "very popular" games out there such as GTAIV or Halo or Metal Gear Solid.

 

[TidusZ]

You don't have to be mature or particularly intelligent to realize upon playing NWN 2 that it's a clumsy dinosaur of a game. People here have said Diablo 2 is a simple game for simple minded people. I fully agree with you, if your goal in Diablo 2 is to play through the game in softcore with mediocre items and modest level, but to cap out in record time, or attain the best items and wealth, to become renowned in dueling (all in hardcore, obviously) likely require a lot more skill/knowledge than anything in NWN 2. Mind you I'm not including patience as a skill (isn't it a virtue?), because NWN 2 requires more patience to get through the tutorial than I had to muster in thousands of hours of D2. I'd even go out on a limb to say that there is more to learn to master diablo 2 than NWN 2, which is a pretty bold statement indeed. Sure NWN 2 seems like its got more complexity (Like WoW), but I think the real issue is that there is little motivation to learn it because the base game is so poor.

Anyhow, if you wanna know what a clickfest is and isn't, make a hardcore character, and make him or your other characters able to farm torches. That alone is probably harder than anything in NWN 2, and if one of your clicks in the aforementioned clickfest goes badly, you'll wind up losing your character and items. Click Click Click.

 

[I Saw OJ]

I'm a bit late to the NWN2 party but I just finished it after quite a while of it sitting in my CD case and I must say, I'm pretty disappointed.

Character movement was clunky and awkward, camera angles never seemed to work right. Computer AI was annoying to control, it was either they just stood there and did nothing, or they all ran in different directions attacking different groups of mobs that I didnt want them to. Cant tell you how many times they got stuck on some terrain and just stood there while I explored different maps. The story was so liner, there was almost no exploring, sure there were side quests but they felt forced. The alignment system is pretty bad too, you are either a total goody two-shoes or a baby killing monster, there is no in between. Plus the ending was atrocious, 3 minutes to wrap up the entire game with some cheesy pictures narrated by some coder they had working in the back. :thumbsdown:

I was expecting a lot from this game and was severely let down. The only thing that made it worth while to finish was khelgar, if he wasnt in the game I doubt I would have finished it.

 

[Dorkenstein]

Makes me sad. I wanted it to be great because I really didn't like NWN 1, plus I wanted Obsidian to make a great game. At first I didn't have much to complain about, but over the next few years, expansions, and a couple false starts (and re-starts) later, I can't bring myself to play it anymore. Even though there are some good times to be had. Can anyone recommend a few mods or scripts that make SP NWN2 and MOTB a little better?

 

[DaveSimmons]

FYI, the Mysteries of Westgate expansion is out now, as a download from Direct2Drive in the US, DLGamer in the UK and from Atari itself, for $10 in the US, $10-15 outside it.
http://www.atari.com/us/games/..._westgate/dvd_rom?dd=1

The download is supposedly 300-400 MB and you should burn it to backup CD since Atari charges extra to re-download it after x days.

One issue in the release thread is the install seems to default to the C drive. I don't have it yet so I don't know if you can manually fix this.
http://nwn2forums.bioware.com/...=676405&forum=142&sp=0