Never talk to the police.

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Crusty

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Crusty
Blah blah blah blah is all I hear. If you have something to hide from the police you shouldn't be putting yourself in situations where you have to talk to them.

Yes, because no one has ever been falsely accused... :roll:

What does that have to do with talking to the police? That's a fault of the justice system, not your mouth.

Were you born this naive or did you have to study?

The fact of the matter is that unscrupulous police occasionally talk uneducated suspects into confessing to something they didn't do, or merely cooperating in a fashion that can incriminate them, on the promise that they will be released after they cooperate. That has everything to do with the police.

I've always wanted to know, why is there always something like you in every thread about the police or the law? Just FYI: people have rights in this country. Don't like it, move to fucking China where you belong.

if someone says something that can be used against them, that is there fault. They have the right not to talk, and they should know that in this country. But to parade around with the idea that you shouldn't talk to cops in situations where you could be really helpful, is just going against the idea of being a good citizen. You should help the cops, but if you are stupid enough to let a cop force any words out of your mouth that can be used against you, then that's the persons fault.
The reasons cops try and convince people into saying things, is because they aren't trying to pin something on the innocent, but rather trying to use their position of power to intimidate a person into telling the truth if they did something wrong. It's the same concept of a cop asking if you were wearing your seatbelt or going over the speed limit when you got into an accident. They prey on the nervousness to catch you tripping up your story.
I have no problem in them doing that. Because it catches dumb criminals. If an innocent is tricked into saying something, they are an idiot. If you are innocent, you should have NO problem in talking to an officer about a witnessed crime.

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[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: rocadelpunk
lol dammit i really want to watch this video now but wmp gives me an error : (

you can download it for free off itunes...

 

[spidey07]

Absolutely agreed. Nothing good can come from talking to police without a lawyer present unless they are there to help you or it's something minor.

They're job is to gather information/evidence.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Crusty

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Crusty
Blah blah blah blah is all I hear. If you have something to hide from the police you shouldn't be putting yourself in situations where you have to talk to them.

Yes, because no one has ever been falsely accused... :roll:

What does that have to do with talking to the police? That's a fault of the justice system, not your mouth.

Were you born this naive or did you have to study?

The fact of the matter is that unscrupulous police occasionally talk uneducated suspects into confessing to something they didn't do, or merely cooperating in a fashion that can incriminate them, on the promise that they will be released after they cooperate. That has everything to do with the police.

I've always wanted to know, why is there always something like you in every thread about the police or the law? Just FYI: people have rights in this country. Don't like it, move to fucking China where you belong.

if someone says something that can be used against them, that is there fault. They have the right not to talk, and they should know that in this country. But to parade around with the idea that you shouldn't talk to cops in situations where you could be really helpful, is just going against the idea of being a good citizen. You should help the cops, but if you are stupid enough to let a cop force any words out of your mouth that can be used against you, then that's the persons fault.
The reasons cops try and convince people into saying things, is because they aren't trying to pin something on the innocent, but rather trying to use their position of power to intimidate a person into telling the truth if they did something wrong. It's the same concept of a cop asking if you were wearing your seatbelt or going over the speed limit when you got into an accident. They prey on the nervousness to catch you tripping up your story.
I have no problem in them doing that. Because it catches dumb criminals. If an innocent is tricked into saying something, they are an idiot. If you are innocent, you should have NO problem in talking to an officer about a witnessed crime.

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here is the problem: suspect is read Miranda rights, hauled of to station, put in room, and is told by police that he or she will get some sort of deal if he talks before lawyering up. Its not that the suspect does not understand his rights, its more so that the he the cop is using his position of power to coax the suspect into making an incriminating statement. If Miranda is to be used effectively, I fell that there sound be absolutely NO questioning prior to counsels arrival.

 

[jersiq]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Crusty

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Crusty
Blah blah blah blah is all I hear. If you have something to hide from the police you shouldn't be putting yourself in situations where you have to talk to them.

Yes, because no one has ever been falsely accused... :roll:

What does that have to do with talking to the police? That's a fault of the justice system, not your mouth.

Were you born this naive or did you have to study?

The fact of the matter is that unscrupulous police occasionally talk uneducated suspects into confessing to something they didn't do, or merely cooperating in a fashion that can incriminate them, on the promise that they will be released after they cooperate. That has everything to do with the police.

I've always wanted to know, why is there always something like you in every thread about the police or the law? Just FYI: people have rights in this country. Don't like it, move to fucking China where you belong.

Text
Supreme Court has ruled that it is against the original scope of the Miranda Rights to coerce a confession without first being read the Miranda Rights.

So, if you are being read your rights, then ask for a lawyer.

 

[Crusty]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: Crusty

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: Crusty
Blah blah blah blah is all I hear. If you have something to hide from the police you shouldn't be putting yourself in situations where you have to talk to them.

Watch the video.

Never gone over the speedlimit?

What if you are buying gas and the station gets robbed and you are a witness?

Never been in a car wreck?

Sure, I've gone over the speedlimit. I don't have anything to hide from the cops so I'm not afraid of having to *gasp* talk to them.

Next time you get pulled over, i'd like to you see you tell the cop you want to invoke the 5th amendment. Hope you enjoy riding in the back of a police car.

you go to jail for pleading the fifth? really? what state do you live in?

Unless you have your lawyer in your car with you what other choice does the cop have?

 

[Squisher]

Originally posted by: jersiq

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Crusty

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Crusty
Blah blah blah blah is all I hear. If you have something to hide from the police you shouldn't be putting yourself in situations where you have to talk to them.

Yes, because no one has ever been falsely accused... :roll:

What does that have to do with talking to the police? That's a fault of the justice system, not your mouth.

Were you born this naive or did you have to study?

The fact of the matter is that unscrupulous police occasionally talk uneducated suspects into confessing to something they didn't do, or merely cooperating in a fashion that can incriminate them, on the promise that they will be released after they cooperate. That has everything to do with the police.

I've always wanted to know, why is there always something like you in every thread about the police or the law? Just FYI: people have rights in this country. Don't like it, move to fucking China where you belong.

Text
Supreme Court has ruled that it is against the original scope of the Miranda Rights to coerce a confession without first being read the Miranda Rights.

So, if you are being read your rights, then ask for a lawyer.

You won't be read your rights if you're only being held for questioning.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Crusty

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Crusty
Blah blah blah blah is all I hear. If you have something to hide from the police you shouldn't be putting yourself in situations where you have to talk to them.

Yes, because no one has ever been falsely accused... :roll:

What does that have to do with talking to the police? That's a fault of the justice system, not your mouth.

Were you born this naive or did you have to study?

The fact of the matter is that unscrupulous police occasionally talk uneducated suspects into confessing to something they didn't do, or merely cooperating in a fashion that can incriminate them, on the promise that they will be released after they cooperate. That has everything to do with the police.

I've always wanted to know, why is there always something like you in every thread about the police or the law? Just FYI: people have rights in this country. Don't like it, move to fucking China where you belong.

if someone says something that can be used against them, that is there fault. They have the right not to talk, and they should know that in this country. But to parade around with the idea that you shouldn't talk to cops in situations where you could be really helpful, is just going against the idea of being a good citizen. You should help the cops, but if you are stupid enough to let a cop force any words out of your mouth that can be used against you, then that's the persons fault.
The reasons cops try and convince people into saying things, is because they aren't trying to pin something on the innocent, but rather trying to use their position of power to intimidate a person into telling the truth if they did something wrong. It's the same concept of a cop asking if you were wearing your seatbelt or going over the speed limit when you got into an accident. They prey on the nervousness to catch you tripping up your story.
I have no problem in them doing that. Because it catches dumb criminals. If an innocent is tricked into saying something, they are an idiot. If you are innocent, you should have NO problem in talking to an officer about a witnessed crime.

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here is the problem: suspect is read Miranda rights, hauled of to station, put in room, and is told by police that he or she will get some sort of deal if he talks before lawyering up. Its not that the suspect does not understand his rights, its more so that the he the cop is using his position of power to coax the suspect into making an incriminating statement. If Miranda is to be used effectively, I fell that there sound be absolutely NO questioning prior to counsels arrival.

Yes, that can be a little abusive of power, but he is still just trying to do his job. A lawyer is going to obstruct information flow, especially if what the person knows is incriminating, such as he is guilty of whatever the crime is.
A cop has every right to suspect someone who wants a lawyer might just be guilty or have some information. That officer is going to want to get that information with no obstruction, which is exactly what lawyers are meant for when dealing with police... making sure their client doesn't say anything incriminating.

If the police aren't using force to get information out of you, they are breaking no laws or forcing you to give up rights. It's a little tricky, and can be shady, I admit that much, but I find no harm in it. Someone who is innocent but is a suspect should have no problem, unless they are an idiot.

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[jlee]

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: jersiq

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Crusty

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Crusty
Blah blah blah blah is all I hear. If you have something to hide from the police you shouldn't be putting yourself in situations where you have to talk to them.

Yes, because no one has ever been falsely accused... :roll:

What does that have to do with talking to the police? That's a fault of the justice system, not your mouth.

Were you born this naive or did you have to study?

The fact of the matter is that unscrupulous police occasionally talk uneducated suspects into confessing to something they didn't do, or merely cooperating in a fashion that can incriminate them, on the promise that they will be released after they cooperate. That has everything to do with the police.

I've always wanted to know, why is there always something like you in every thread about the police or the law? Just FYI: people have rights in this country. Don't like it, move to fucking China where you belong.

Text
Supreme Court has ruled that it is against the original scope of the Miranda Rights to coerce a confession without first being read the Miranda Rights.

So, if you are being read your rights, then ask for a lawyer.

You won't be read your rights if you're only being held for questioning.

If you're in custody, Miranda is required for any interrogation pertaining to the crime alleged to have been committed.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: jersiq

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Crusty

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Crusty
Blah blah blah blah is all I hear. If you have something to hide from the police you shouldn't be putting yourself in situations where you have to talk to them.

Yes, because no one has ever been falsely accused... :roll:

What does that have to do with talking to the police? That's a fault of the justice system, not your mouth.

Were you born this naive or did you have to study?

The fact of the matter is that unscrupulous police occasionally talk uneducated suspects into confessing to something they didn't do, or merely cooperating in a fashion that can incriminate them, on the promise that they will be released after they cooperate. That has everything to do with the police.

I've always wanted to know, why is there always something like you in every thread about the police or the law? Just FYI: people have rights in this country. Don't like it, move to fucking China where you belong.

Text
Supreme Court has ruled that it is against the original scope of the Miranda Rights to coerce a confession without first being read the Miranda Rights.

So, if you are being read your rights, then ask for a lawyer.

You won't be read your rights if you're only being held for questioning.

the totality of the circumstances will determine whether questioning = in custody

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Crusty

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Crusty
Blah blah blah blah is all I hear. If you have something to hide from the police you shouldn't be putting yourself in situations where you have to talk to them.

Yes, because no one has ever been falsely accused... :roll:

What does that have to do with talking to the police? That's a fault of the justice system, not your mouth.

Were you born this naive or did you have to study?

The fact of the matter is that unscrupulous police occasionally talk uneducated suspects into confessing to something they didn't do, or merely cooperating in a fashion that can incriminate them, on the promise that they will be released after they cooperate. That has everything to do with the police.

I've always wanted to know, why is there always something like you in every thread about the police or the law? Just FYI: people have rights in this country. Don't like it, move to fucking China where you belong.

if someone says something that can be used against them, that is there fault. They have the right not to talk, and they should know that in this country. But to parade around with the idea that you shouldn't talk to cops in situations where you could be really helpful, is just going against the idea of being a good citizen. You should help the cops, but if you are stupid enough to let a cop force any words out of your mouth that can be used against you, then that's the persons fault.
The reasons cops try and convince people into saying things, is because they aren't trying to pin something on the innocent, but rather trying to use their position of power to intimidate a person into telling the truth if they did something wrong. It's the same concept of a cop asking if you were wearing your seatbelt or going over the speed limit when you got into an accident. They prey on the nervousness to catch you tripping up your story.
I have no problem in them doing that. Because it catches dumb criminals. If an innocent is tricked into saying something, they are an idiot. If you are innocent, you should have NO problem in talking to an officer about a witnessed crime.

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here is the problem: suspect is read Miranda rights, hauled of to station, put in room, and is told by police that he or she will get some sort of deal if he talks before lawyering up. Its not that the suspect does not understand his rights, its more so that the he the cop is using his position of power to coax the suspect into making an incriminating statement. If Miranda is to be used effectively, I fell that there sound be absolutely NO questioning prior to counsels arrival.

Yes, that can be a little abusive of power, but he is still just trying to do his job. A lawyer is going to obstruct information flow, especially if what the person knows is incriminating, such as he is guilty of whatever the crime is.
A cop has every right to suspect someone who wants a lawyer might just be guilty or have some information. That officer is going to want to get that information with no obstruction, which is exactly what lawyers are meant for when dealing with police... making sure their client doesn't say anything incriminating.

If the police aren't using force to get information out of you, they are breaking no laws or forcing you to give up rights. It's a little tricky, and can be shady, I admit that much, but I find no harm in it. Someone who is innocent but is a suspect should have no problem, unless they are an idiot.

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If by an attorney obstructs information flow you mean he or she asserts his of her clients constitutionally protected rights, then I agree.

BTW, you are making a huge leap of faith that no rights are being violated in the interrogation room. What's tricky is that nobody really knows what goes on in there except for the suspect and the cop. I've worked in that environment before, and I've seen more than 1 law being broken at times.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: Crusty

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: Crusty
Blah blah blah blah is all I hear. If you have something to hide from the police you shouldn't be putting yourself in situations where you have to talk to them.

Watch the video.

Never gone over the speedlimit?

What if you are buying gas and the station gets robbed and you are a witness?

Never been in a car wreck?

Sure, I've gone over the speedlimit. I don't have anything to hide from the cops so I'm not afraid of having to *gasp* talk to them.

Next time you get pulled over, i'd like to you see you tell the cop you want to invoke the 5th amendment. Hope you enjoy riding in the back of a police car.

you go to jail for pleading the fifth? really? what state do you live in?

The state of intellectual laziness.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: jersiq

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Crusty

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Crusty
Blah blah blah blah is all I hear. If you have something to hide from the police you shouldn't be putting yourself in situations where you have to talk to them.

Yes, because no one has ever been falsely accused... :roll:

What does that have to do with talking to the police? That's a fault of the justice system, not your mouth.

Were you born this naive or did you have to study?

The fact of the matter is that unscrupulous police occasionally talk uneducated suspects into confessing to something they didn't do, or merely cooperating in a fashion that can incriminate them, on the promise that they will be released after they cooperate. That has everything to do with the police.

I've always wanted to know, why is there always something like you in every thread about the police or the law? Just FYI: people have rights in this country. Don't like it, move to fucking China where you belong.

Text
Supreme Court has ruled that it is against the original scope of the Miranda Rights to coerce a confession without first being read the Miranda Rights.

So, if you are being read your rights, then ask for a lawyer.

You won't be read your rights if you're only being held for questioning.

the totality of the circumstances will determine whether questioning = in custody

Totality of the circumstances being circumstances under which a reasonable person would not feel free to leave. As such, being 'held for questioning' would, in my opinion, constitute a requirement for Miranda to be issued.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Crusty

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Crusty
Blah blah blah blah is all I hear. If you have something to hide from the police you shouldn't be putting yourself in situations where you have to talk to them.

Yes, because no one has ever been falsely accused... :roll:

What does that have to do with talking to the police? That's a fault of the justice system, not your mouth.

Were you born this naive or did you have to study?

The fact of the matter is that unscrupulous police occasionally talk uneducated suspects into confessing to something they didn't do, or merely cooperating in a fashion that can incriminate them, on the promise that they will be released after they cooperate. That has everything to do with the police.

I've always wanted to know, why is there always something like you in every thread about the police or the law? Just FYI: people have rights in this country. Don't like it, move to fucking China where you belong.

Yes, people have rights, and are entirely free to exercise them. However, attitudes such as the OP's don't help anyone.

If you're being charged with a crime and do not wish to cooperate, then by all means get a lawyer. However, there's no reason for an absolute blanket statement such as "never talk to the police."

Really? Because that exact absolute blanket statement is the first thing any defense lawyer would ever tell you. Sure, you cooperate by being polite, reasonable, and providing ID and similar basic information, but beyond that... nothing, charged or not.

This isn't "attitude," this is what separates the intelligent from the uneducated. And that's not an insult, that's fact. When have you ever heard of someone educated and successful talking to the police without their lawyer present? There you go.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: jersiq

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Crusty

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Crusty
Blah blah blah blah is all I hear. If you have something to hide from the police you shouldn't be putting yourself in situations where you have to talk to them.

Yes, because no one has ever been falsely accused... :roll:

What does that have to do with talking to the police? That's a fault of the justice system, not your mouth.

Were you born this naive or did you have to study?

The fact of the matter is that unscrupulous police occasionally talk uneducated suspects into confessing to something they didn't do, or merely cooperating in a fashion that can incriminate them, on the promise that they will be released after they cooperate. That has everything to do with the police.

I've always wanted to know, why is there always something like you in every thread about the police or the law? Just FYI: people have rights in this country. Don't like it, move to fucking China where you belong.

Text
Supreme Court has ruled that it is against the original scope of the Miranda Rights to coerce a confession without first being read the Miranda Rights.

So, if you are being read your rights, then ask for a lawyer.

You won't be read your rights if you're only being held for questioning.

the totality of the circumstances will determine whether questioning = in custody

Totality of the circumstances being circumstances under which a reasonable person would not feel free to leave. As such, being 'held for questioning' would, in my opinion, constitute a requirement for Miranda to be issued.

yet in YARBOROUGH v. ALVARADO, the court held that a 1 on 1 interview for 2 hours of a 17 year old regarding a felony murder leading to the minor making incriminating statements did not require MIRANDA because minor was not in custody...crazy world.

 

[EGGO]

Originally posted by: Crusty
Blah blah blah blah is all I hear. If you have something to hide from the police you shouldn't be putting yourself in situations where you have to talk to them.

You forget that a prosecutor can easily turn the tables against you, whether or not you have the truth on your side. Their job is to twist it against you.

Or maybe I'm wrong. Maybe every murderer has been caught and put to jail and nobody has been wrongfully been put behind bars.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: EGGO

Originally posted by: Crusty
Blah blah blah blah is all I hear. If you have something to hide from the police you shouldn't be putting yourself in situations where you have to talk to them.

You forget that a prosecutor can easily turn the tables against you, whether or not you have the truth on your side. Their job is to twist it against you.

Or maybe I'm wrong. Maybe every murderer has been caught and put to jail and nobody has been wrongfully been put behind bars.

there are over zealous DAs, no doubt. But I wouldn't go as far as to say that that their job is to turn the tables against you IMHO

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Absolutely agreed. Nothing good can come from talking to police without a lawyer present unless they are there to help you or it's something minor.

They're job is to gather information/evidence.

Exactly.

The analogy I like to tell people (and no disrespect whatsoever intended) is to think of the police as being like a car salesman. Right or wrong, he's just trying to make the sale and close a deal. That's his job, to put suspects in jail. It's not personal.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Crusty

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Crusty
Blah blah blah blah is all I hear. If you have something to hide from the police you shouldn't be putting yourself in situations where you have to talk to them.

Yes, because no one has ever been falsely accused... :roll:

What does that have to do with talking to the police? That's a fault of the justice system, not your mouth.

Were you born this naive or did you have to study?

The fact of the matter is that unscrupulous police occasionally talk uneducated suspects into confessing to something they didn't do, or merely cooperating in a fashion that can incriminate them, on the promise that they will be released after they cooperate. That has everything to do with the police.

I've always wanted to know, why is there always something like you in every thread about the police or the law? Just FYI: people have rights in this country. Don't like it, move to fucking China where you belong.

Yes, people have rights, and are entirely free to exercise them. However, attitudes such as the OP's don't help anyone.

If you're being charged with a crime and do not wish to cooperate, then by all means get a lawyer. However, there's no reason for an absolute blanket statement such as "never talk to the police."

Really? Because that exact absolute blanket statement is the first thing any defense lawyer would ever tell you. Sure, you cooperate by being polite, reasonable, and providing ID and similar basic information, but beyond that... nothing, charged or not.

This isn't "attitude," this is what separates the intelligent from the uneducated. And that's not an insult, that's fact. When have you ever heard of someone educated and successful talking to the police without their lawyer present? There you go.

Being polite and reasonable and providing basic information constitutes talking to police, thereby violating the blanket statement I quoted above.

 

[1sikbITCH]

This is taking a common sense thing that EVERYONE knows like "don't shoot yourself in the head" and turning it into Never own a gun EVER for any reason!

I can think of a number of situations where this could be the worst possible advice. The first one is ridiculous but in the context presented in this thread, so is the advice.

1. The police are in a gunfight with a mute who has killed a cop. They chase him into an area where you happen to be. Suddenly an officer bursts into the room, points his gun at you and yells "Are you the sonuvabitch that just killed my partner?" You refuse to answer and instead reach for your cellphone to call your lawyer.

2. You are standing on the side of the street, watching carjackers speed away with your infant in the back. You whip out your cellphone and... call your lawyer to ask what you should say to the police?

3. What if I have a tail light out, and the police pull me over? Do I actually pull over? What if I can't get a good signal to call my lawyer? Should I keep driving like OJ until I can get a signal? If I do pull over, do I leave my window rolled up so the cop can't talk to me while the secretary has my lawyer pulled out of court? What if my lawyer is on vacation!!!

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Crusty

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: Crusty

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: Crusty
Blah blah blah blah is all I hear. If you have something to hide from the police you shouldn't be putting yourself in situations where you have to talk to them.

Watch the video.

Never gone over the speedlimit?

What if you are buying gas and the station gets robbed and you are a witness?

Never been in a car wreck?

Sure, I've gone over the speedlimit. I don't have anything to hide from the cops so I'm not afraid of having to *gasp* talk to them.

Next time you get pulled over, i'd like to you see you tell the cop you want to invoke the 5th amendment. Hope you enjoy riding in the back of a police car.

you go to jail for pleading the fifth? really? what state do you live in?

Unless you have your lawyer in your car with you what other choice does the cop have?

If the ONLY offense is speeding, an infraction, then his only choice is to write to the ticket and release. He cannot and will not arrest for that. If you felt I insulted you earlier, it's because you insulted the rest of us with this BS.

And BTW, "pleading the fifth" in this example (speeding) means refusing to tell the officer how fast you were going when asked. You don't have to answer that question. You don't have to "plead the fifth" either. Or cop an attitude. You just don't answer.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Vic
If the ONLY offense is speeding, an infraction, then his only choice is to write to the ticket and release. He cannot and will not arrest for that. If you felt I insulted you earlier, it's because you insulted the rest of us with this BS.

Wrong. At least in New Hampshire, a custodial arrest is entirely legal for a violation-level offense. A citation is issued in lieu of arrest.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: Crusty
Blah blah blah blah is all I hear. If you have something to hide from the police you shouldn't be putting yourself in situations where you have to talk to them.

Never gotten a paper cut?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Crusty

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Crusty
Blah blah blah blah is all I hear. If you have something to hide from the police you shouldn't be putting yourself in situations where you have to talk to them.

Yes, because no one has ever been falsely accused... :roll:

What does that have to do with talking to the police? That's a fault of the justice system, not your mouth.

Were you born this naive or did you have to study?

The fact of the matter is that unscrupulous police occasionally talk uneducated suspects into confessing to something they didn't do, or merely cooperating in a fashion that can incriminate them, on the promise that they will be released after they cooperate. That has everything to do with the police.

I've always wanted to know, why is there always something like you in every thread about the police or the law? Just FYI: people have rights in this country. Don't like it, move to fucking China where you belong.

Yes, people have rights, and are entirely free to exercise them. However, attitudes such as the OP's don't help anyone.

If you're being charged with a crime and do not wish to cooperate, then by all means get a lawyer. However, there's no reason for an absolute blanket statement such as "never talk to the police."

Really? Because that exact absolute blanket statement is the first thing any defense lawyer would ever tell you. Sure, you cooperate by being polite, reasonable, and providing ID and similar basic information, but beyond that... nothing, charged or not.

This isn't "attitude," this is what separates the intelligent from the uneducated. And that's not an insult, that's fact. When have you ever heard of someone educated and successful talking to the police without their lawyer present? There you go.

Being polite and reasonable and providing basic information constitutes talking to police, thereby violating the blanket statement I quoted above.

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Let me explain briefly why and how you and Crusty ticked me off. The OP may have errored slightly in his thread title, however, the information is provided was valid and reasonable. People should be cautious when providing anything more than basic information (like ID) to the police. They should fall back on their right to counsel and to not incriminate themselves if they feel intimidated. These are basic rights, held sacred in our country, and there is nothing wrong with people exercising these rights.

AND YET, on internet message boards, there are always a few people trying to convince others not to exercise their rights. "If you have nothing to hide," or "you'll get a ride in the back of the squad car" just for trying, and other such nonsense. The intent there is obviously to make people ashamed of even trying to exercise their basic rights, and that's something I take offense to, as I am quite proud that I live in such a fine country that we have these rights.
But where it gets ugly is when I try to examine what possible motives you could have in trying to discourage people from exercising their rights. One would think, of course, that it must be the prevention of crime. But it doesn't take much thought to realize that getting innocent persons to confess to crimes they didn't commit not only doesn't prevent crime, but actually makes it worse, as the actual guilty parties still walk free. Therefore, I am forced to conclude that you are either intellectually lazy or you take enjoyment from the undue suffering of others.
But if you have a better reasoning, I'd love to hear it.

 

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Originally posted by: Vic
Let me explain briefly why and how you and Crusty ticked me off. The OP may have errored slightly in his thread title, however, the information is provided was valid and reasonable. People should be cautious when providing anything more than basic information (like ID) to the police. They should fall back on their right to counsel and to not incriminate themselves if they feel intimidated. These are basic rights, held sacred in our country, and there is nothing wrong with people exercising these rights.

Originally posted by: JLee
Yes, people have rights, and are entirely free to exercise them. However, attitudes such as the OP's don't help anyone.

If you're being charged with a crime and do not wish to cooperate, then by all means get a lawyer. However, there's no reason for an absolute blanket statement such as "never talk to the police."