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Goosemaster

Lifer
Apr 10, 2001
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Originally posted by: Lifted
Nik to the rescue, 5 pages later. :roll:

yeah dude..he's getting soft...

I wish he would stop fvking that filth out back behind the rest stop near 66 and 81.

His boner is no longer the dreaded instrument of reaming that it used to be


where have all the cowboys gone?:(
 

bamacre

Lifer
Jul 1, 2004
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My God, ICS and dial-up? What fvcking year is this? Dear Lord, please have mercy on Citrix's soul.

In my experience with ICS, I can attest to one thing. It fvcking sucks.
 

OutHouse

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Jun 5, 2000
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Originally posted by: Goosemaster
1. scrap it

2. unplug your pc's lan connection, and make sure you can get on the internet CHECK
3. disable ICS on that machine CHECK
4. make sure you can get on the internet CHECK
5. plug in your pc's lan jack to the hub CHECK
6. make sure you can get on the internet CHECK
7. check to see if the cable-disconnected went away CHECK
8. plug your wife's pc to the hub. CHECK9. make sure you disable ICS or any other smorgishborg fanatitacal protocols that might be enabled on her machine CHECK
10.remove netbios if it is installed on either machine CHECK

11. set the ip address on your machine to 192.168.1.1/24 with no default gateway
12. set the ip address on her machine to 192.168.1.10/24 with no default gateway

13. try to have them ping each other NO PING LOVE

Nope, sorry goose your suggestions didnt work.
C:\ping 192.168.1.10

Pinging 192.168.1.10 with 32 bytes of data:

Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.

Ping statistics for 192.168.1.10:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss),






 

OutHouse

Lifer
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Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
one more time, did you try using the old hub? i still think that there is something wrong in the switch.

Yes last night i put the old hub back on and got the same result, no pinging.
 

CrimsonChaos

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Not sure if this has already been mentioned, but the first thing I'd check is firewall settings. Have you installed/changed any firewall settings recently?

Even if you haven't, try disabling all firewall protection and see if it works. If it still doesn't, then look for more technical issues. But start simple...

Edit: Do this on BOTH computers
 

spidey07

No Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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no firewall?

No ICS?

No bridging?

Get IP address from DHCP server?

Can ping gateway?

Can ping other computer?

You are in windows hell. I suspect you're borked and we need to get the basics working first. I'm still thinking layer1 problem unless windows is hosed (it happens)
 

OutHouse

Lifer
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Originally posted by: CrimsonChaos
Not sure if this has already been mentioned, but the first thing I'd check is firewall settings. Have you installed/changed any firewall settings recently?

Even if you haven't, try disabling all firewall protection and see if it works. If it still doesn't, then look for more technical issues. But start simple...

Edit: Do this on BOTH computers

the only firewall i have is the XP one and its is turned off on both machines.
 

m2kewl

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Oct 7, 2001
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LOL @ thread :D

you sure you're not running any other FW packages besides windows? ;)
 

Sketcher

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Aug 15, 2001
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Pardon me for being simplistic, but we've already established in a post prior to Goose's config that two machines were trying to obtain DHCP addressing without a server dishing addy's. Supposedly it all worked one day and not the next without any changes to hardware or software. So before we get all caught up in VLAN's, Firewalls, TCP/IP stacks and rebuilding everything from scratch can we start with the following?

Post the ipconfig /all of ALL the machines in ONE post for comparison

1. Is a DHCP server being used and if so is it dishing addy's properly.

2. If DHCP isn't used, let's get static IP's and subnets consistently applied. Make sure the workgroup is spelled and cased the same on all machines.

3. Let's take the configs from where they are and make each one what it should be without getting all fancy.

Rule out the lowest common denominator which at this point (being that he's tested cables, get's ping loopback and was supposedly operating and then suddenly not) has been proven to be a mismatch in network addressing. Still no joy, then by all means go and get all Layer 3*1 Ninja on his ass.
 

PlatinumGold

Lifer
Aug 11, 2000
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Originally posted by: Sketcher
Pardon me for being simplistic, but we've already established in a post prior to Goose's config that two machines were trying to obtain DHCP addressing without a server dishing addy's. Supposedly it all worked one day and not the next without any changes to hardware or software. So before we get all caught up in VLAN's, Firewalls, TCP/IP stacks and rebuilding everything from scratch can we start with the following?

Post the ipconfig /all of ALL the machines in ONE post for comparison

1. Is a DHCP server being used and if so is it dishing addy's properly.

2. If DHCP isn't used, let's get static IP's and subnets consistently applied. Make sure the workgroup is spelled and cased the same on all machines.

3. Let's take the configs from where they are and make each one what it should be without getting all fancy.

Rule out the lowest common denominator which at this point (being that he's tested cables, get's ping loopback and was supposedly operating and then suddenly not) has been proven to be a mismatch in network addressing. Still no joy, then by all means go and get all Layer 3*1 Ninja on his ass.

wrong he swapped out his Hub for a SWITCH.

he tried it again with his old switch and now that doesn't work either but by then the switch has already screwed things up.

my problem with ICS in general is, if you put everything together and it doesn't work, you really don't have many options to manually backtrack.

try this, put all pc's on the switch, turn them all on and then let them just sit for about 12 hours. sometimes these things work themselves out. stupid as that sounds.
 

Sketcher

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Aug 15, 2001
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Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
wrong he swapped out his Hub for a SWITCH.

he tried it again with his old switch and now that doesn't work either but by then the switch has already screwed things up.
Platinum, where did he say that he swapped out his hub for a switch!? You quote Citrix's own statement early on and he says he replaced his hub with another hub; no mention of a switch. He repeatedly states throughout the thread that he's using hubs but you having posted about a switch segued a lot of discussion to that of switches and others jump on board.

Everybody's going off on a tangent without getting basics established. When I asked for the ipconfig of his wife's PC did you read what he posted? His laptop is doing the same thing; that is receiving Windows Automatic IP Addressing (which for those who don't know indicates a failure to achieve DHCP). Within the first ten posts he's asked about his DHCP config and the IP settings but he doesn't answer the questions, he gets caught up fixating on everything BUT making sure each machine is configured properly either for DHCP or for Static addressing.

If he would simply post the complete ipconfig of each machine on his network it'll give a solid starting point to work from.

But hey, you brain trusts go ahead and keep troubleshooting his whole network without looking at the other machines. In the least, even if ICS has screwed up his main pc; he has a laptop, wife's comp and a file server that should all be able to be tested for basic ip connectivity. There's too much assumption that he knows what he's doing and that the rest of his comps are configured correctly. From his own post of his wife's ipconfig, it's obvious that it ain't so.

Cheers :)




 

PlatinumGold

Lifer
Aug 11, 2000
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Originally posted by: Sketcher
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
wrong he swapped out his Hub for a SWITCH.

he tried it again with his old switch and now that doesn't work either but by then the switch has already screwed things up.
Platinum, where did he say that he swapped out his hub for a switch!? You quote Citrix's own statement early on and he says he replaced his hub with another hub; no mention of a switch. He repeatedly states throughout the thread that he's using hubs but you having posted about a switch segued a lot of discussion to that of switches and others jump on board.

Everybody's going off on a tangent without getting basics established. When I asked for the ipconfig of his wife's PC did you read what he posted? His laptop is doing the same thing; that is receiving Windows Automatic IP Addressing (which for those who don't know indicates a failure to achieve DHCP). Within the first ten posts he's asked about his DHCP config and the IP settings but he doesn't answer the questions, he gets caught up fixating on everything BUT making sure each machine is configured properly either for DHCP or for Static addressing.

If he would simply post the complete ipconfig of each machine on his network it'll give a solid starting point to work from.

But hey, you brain trusts go ahead and keep troubleshooting his whole network without looking at the other machines. In the least, even if ICS has screwed up his main pc; he has a laptop, wife's comp and a file server that should all be able to be tested for basic ip connectivity. There's too much assumption that he knows what he's doing and that the rest of his comps are configured correctly. From his own post of his wife's ipconfig, it's obvious that it ain't so.

Cheers :)

again, my wrong comment was with regards to this statement by you, "Supposedly it all worked one day and not the next without any changes to hardware".

there were changes in hardware. he also stated above that he switched back to his old hub with the same results.

i still think the problem is in the hub, i highly doubt that all 3 LAN cables would go bad at the same time. the lights on the NIC indicate that there is a level 1 connection. both the hub and NICS on the pc's all indicate with lights that there is a connection. i think the problem is internal to the hub/switch.

at this point, i would try using a hub/switch that i know is good or better yet, try it with a router to see if you can get network connectivity within the home.

also, you can share an dialup connection via a router and one pc connecting, just have the pc connecting dial up the connection and set it as the gateway on all the other pc's, then you have internet access throughout the network using a router / NAT box and you are doing it thru dialup.


i also forgot to mention, he clearly stated that he set up each machine with static IP's on the same subnet with no results, so i don't think it is a setup problem.
 

Sketcher

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Aug 15, 2001
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Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
i also forgot to mention, he clearly stated that he set up each machine with static IP's on the same subnet with no results, so i don't think it is a setup problem.
Yeah, he stated that and when he posted his wife's config it wasn't so. It also surprised him that his laptop wasn't getting an addy; but why should it surprise him if he's statically assigned everything?

Get the damn ipconfig /all posted for ALL the machines on his network and then you guys can haggle over all the hardware and layer issues you want ;).





 

PlatinumGold

Lifer
Aug 11, 2000
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Originally posted by: Sketcher
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
i also forgot to mention, he clearly stated that he set up each machine with static IP's on the same subnet with no results, so i don't think it is a setup problem.
Yeah, he stated that and when he posted his wife's config it wasn't so. It also surprised him that his laptop wasn't getting an addy; but why should it surprise him if he's statically assigned everything?

Get the damn ipconfig /all posted for ALL the machines on his network and then you guys can haggle over all the hardware and layer issues you want ;).

actually, i personally gave up thinking i would have any chance of helping him when he said ICS. i hate ICS. what XP SP2 did to WINs etc is bad enough.

 

Trey22

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Oct 31, 2003
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You didn't upgrade ZoneAlarm did you? Newest version from this week kills all ICMP/UPD/etc. unless you manually go the alert and set permissions... yes, a pain in the ass, and exactly why I uninstalled it.

 

Sketcher

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Aug 15, 2001
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Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
actually, i personally gave up thinking i would have any chance of helping him when he said ICS. i hate ICS. what XP SP2 did to WINs etc is bad enough.
LOL, actually, I gave up thinking that you had any chance of helping him when you fixated on him using a switch when he's using hubs ;)

10 of the first 14 posts after his OP ask him for IP info regarding static/dhcp assignment. He's tried all kinds of stuff and gone down a number of roads that have been suggested by well intentioned people here but he just can't seem to bring himself to get all the ipconfig's posted in one fell swoop.

Does no one else think it odd that after he configured static ip assignment that the config he posted of his wife's comp was windows auto-ip addressing? Further, he followed up with stating that his laptop couldn't acquire an IP? Call me silly, but that doesn't sound like anything static to me. If he'd answer the question of DHCP being dished out or not (which eh, I'm thinkin' not) then that'd be another foundational question answered from the first page.

Go ahead, tell him to test more cables and swap out more hardware, convince him to buy a router (actually not a bad idea), get him to unload and reload his TCP/IP stack because ICS scares people, describe firewall issues and venture into VLAN territory. You're still going to have the fundamental issue of improper network configuration on each machine.

Four computers, one hub.

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post the ipconfig /all of ALL the machines already!!
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