Netscape Browsers...RIP

[turbo__]

Sad to see netscape go, I used to use it until AOL go their hands on it. As far as web design is concerned, IE is easier to use but its always nice to have other options.

Do you guys think everyone will switch over to IE now? Those people who were using netscape will still switch over to another browser e.g. Opera or Mozilla. Meaning web development will not be much easier.

 

[cybertainment]

Netscape was a great browser, to this day i prefer it over MSIE, though i dont use it because it takes too dam long to load on my slo a$$ P2-300......i actually got misty eyed when Netscape went down, though just think of this when u dis netscape, the internet would not be as it is today if it weren't for Netscape.

 

[Ameesh]

<< Are all of you web-designers?

If not, then why are you so happy that a browser that you do not use will be discontinued?

I for one think that it is a bad thing, competition is a good thing, it keeps the prices down and the programmers alert...

Patrick >>




Hey stupid! IE is free. and netscape doesnt employ programmers they have trained monkeys punching keyboards.

 

[stndn]

yes, it is free for now, because ms won't be able to compete with netscape if they didn't give it out for free (it was some news during the time of netscape 3.0 gold)

however, once ms get rid of all the competitors (including, who knows... opera, mozilla, heck... even lynx), who knows what they're going to do with the &quot;free browser&quot;? maybe free* with msxp purchase? :disgust:

anyways, netscape no longer browser company doesn't mean we can't hang in there and keep using it to browse the internet ... so yeah, whatever....

-382-

 

[ace31216]

thank God!

 

[Lalakai]

still prefer using NS 4.77. Even if IE is better, MS's track record of secretly tracking and recording information makes them too much of a liability. I'll use their products when I have to but I limit it as much as possible and always take it w/a grain of salt.

 

[ManSnake]

Woohoo!!! No more making two different versions of the same webpage anymore!!

 

[bigbootydaddy]

<< still prefer using NS 4.77. Even if IE is better, MS's track record of secretly tracking and recording information makes them too much of a liability. I'll use their products when I have to but I limit it as much as possible and always take it w/a grain of salt. >>



can we say paranoid?? i think its great, now you dont have to worry about making a netscape friendly site...if you want to see what i mean, go to my site in my sig and see...everyone on nutscrape keeps complaining about bad alignments...

like i care about netscrape...and compeition to keep what prices down?? MS dont charge directly for IE.

 

[Soccerman]

Intake77, do some research first.. Mozilla 0.9 was only recently released, Netscape 6 was released last year.

Mozilla 0.9 is pretty quick (in terms of bloat) now.. still not as good as it could be, but definetly better. I'm looking forward to newer versions being faster..

BTW, isn't the reason why Mozilla was slow simply becuase it's using Java all the way, rather then 'normal' code (if there is such a thing)? could someone clarify that?

 

[DefRef]

Intake77: I did that site a couple of years ago. I'm now moving to Dreamweaver. Do you approve, o Wise One? My point was that M$ created code that it's OWN BROWSER couldn't use.

Also, I can't believe how many &quot;good riddance&quot; cries there are here. Were you yelling good riddance when 3dfx went under, or did you worry about lack of competition?!?

IE didn't have PRINT PREVIEW until 5.5! How does leaving that useful detail out confer excellence?

Also, NETSCAPE WILL STILL BE MAKING BROWSERS!!! It's just not what their first line is going to be. Sheesh. Learn to read, huh?

 

[ElFenix]

yeah, mozilla is completely java, heck i think its even a jvm thing for x-platform ease, which is why its &quot;slow.&quot; i put slow in quotes because IE would be just as slow if it wasn't already on. page layout is pretty fast with mozilla .9, resizes good. and mozilla .9 crashes less on the forums than IE does, in my experience. plus i like mozilla mail better than OE, seems to handle multiple pop accounts better. of course no plug-in maker looks for mozilla in its install routine. and all these web designers who complain about netscape not following standards can't follow standards themselves, which is why their pages layout wrong in mozilla.

 

[Stark]

Shortly I'm going to have to re-design a small ecommerce site for my uncle. Why? because stupid Netscape doesn't work with hostpro's basic shopping cart program.

RIP, and good riddance.

 

[shawnmos]

Thank god!!! No more wasting endless hours try to get nutscrape to work with simple fvcking code!! I almost pissed my pants when i read this! I am so happy it's beyond words.

 

[stndn]

but then again... as pointed out earlier, you will need to start writing html for opera, mozilla, etc.... and netscape (and their users) are still around -- it's just that the the browser won't be updated anymore....

well, at least some of us should be relieved that six months from now we won't see &quot;netscape sucks&quot; anymore... it will only be &quot;browser XX (non msie) sucks&quot; or whatever.....

either way, i'm keeping my copy of netscape, and there's nothing you can do about it

-386-

 

[jonnyGURU]

Well, I see that the ignorance of the lowest common denomonator has finally killed off a truly fine product.

Franky, I could give two Hershey squirts about the Netscape browser, but Outlook is so horrible as an email client, how could you sensibly support such an autrosity (I laugh ever time a magic 8 ball says &quot;Outlook not so good&quot;.)?

Face it, IE is far from perfect, and same for Netscape. But without the competition of Netscape, IE's not gonna get any better.

But HEY, with IE being the only commercial browser left for the Windows platform, can we start a class action law suit against Microsoft now for having yet another monopoly?

 

[Soulflare]

I don't know why developers hate Netscape so much. I've found that
99% of the time I design something in Netscape 4.08 (HTML, Javascript,
CSS, Flash...) I don't have to make a single change to my code to
get it to working in both Netscape and IE, whether on a PC or Mac.
That has saved me a sh!tload of time on the 110+ commercial sites
I've worked on over the past couple years.

I've never quite understood why designers, who blow steam out their
ears everytime they have retool an IE-specific design for NS, choose
to repeat the cycle again by starting their next project in IE.

*Tip: You'll run into far fewer problems going the other way*


IE is certainly better and faster when it comes to rendering web
pages, but its context menus and bookmark managment sucks a$$ in
comparison to NS.

 

[Soulflare]

Sorry for Dp, slow connection.

 

[StageLeft]

The thing is, soulflare, you have a good point about designing for NS first - but IE is faster to develop for and that is why people start with that, then run into the nutscrape problems.

 

[Mday]

it's not that IE dominates the market that netscape sucks. it's that it sucks that netscape sucks.

 

[Soulflare]

Faster how? IE won't make me hand-code any faster.

Besides the only NS -> IE problems I tend to run into
are minor issues of relating to spacing (particularily
with forms) and slight differences with style sheets.
Once you've bumped into the same problem once or twice,
it becomes fairly simple to fix or address platform
issues ahead of time while coding.

 

[pulpp]

well thanks for all thier contributions, but still GOOD RIDDANCE..

 

[PCResources]

<< i use linux half the time >>



So, you are a web designer who uses linux half the time and don't want any other browser than IE..

Which web browser do you use in Linux that requires no changes from the IE working code?

Patrick

 

[PCResources]

<< Hey stupid! IE is free. and netscape doesnt employ programmers they have trained monkeys punching keyboards. >>



Hey stupid! Linux is free. and MS doesnt employ programmers they have trained monkeys punching keyboards.

So, as IE is free, there is no competition... Well, Linux is free, so i guess there is no OS competition either.

Patrick

 

[Idiot56209]

soulflare: You are correct. This is because Netscape's HTML adheres to W3C standards. As long as you adhere to these standards when marking up for Netscape, it whould work in any browser because you wrote markup that was STANDARDIZED.

Skoorb: You are correct. IE allows you to leave out a lot of standarized codes, thus making it faster to code. The down side is that that code won't work in other browsers because IT'S WRONG. Missing tags might work in IE, but if it doesn't adhere to W3C standards. Standards which apparently mean nothing to Microsoft... well... When did standards ever mean anything to Microsoft.

 

[kami]

Then some of these extra features that MS invented SHOULD be standard! Link styles, styled scrollbars, LAYERS THAT WORK, etc.
Nutscrape was just holding back the advancement of web design