Netanyuhu has postponed departure

[Lemon law]

Netanyuhu is still engaged in talks with various US officials, long after he was scheduled to have left for Israel.

At the same time I have read various blogs that the Obama administration would let Israel have its way on East Jerusalem settlement.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100325/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_us_israel

But I am guessing not this time. To some extent, Netanyuhu may not want to fly home, and explain to his coalition, that the USA has had enough with Israeli settlement on disputed land. And that he was met by a united front promising dire US reprisals against Israel if the settlement is not stopped.

The question I ask will not be answered by me, Andand tech posters, or by partisan posters seeking to justify various outcomes, but only by high level events between Israel and the Obama administration.

We may have to sit back and watch history being made. Or we may see Netanyuhu leave with a pro Israeli settlement and business as usual.

 

[cubeless]

bo broke out the good weed so bennie hung around for the party...

let's see... bo is following all of w's foreign policy templates, so i wonder what the outcome here will be...

 

[Zebo]

bo broke out the good weed so bennie hung around for the party...

let's see... bo is following all of w's foreign policy templates, so i wonder what the outcome here will be...

Oh really?

Bowing to Muslim rulers.
Sucks up to Islam in Cairo
Not even mentioning the increasing violence against the Copts in Egypt while there.
Totally ignores the genocide in Darfur to the South.
"Reaching out his hand" to holocaust deniers who make no bones about wanting to see Israel "wiped off the map".
MSM is barley reporting Obama has cut off weapons for about a year to Israel. Did Bush do that?
Selling 10 billion in advanced weapons to fundi apartheid regimes like Saudi Arabia.
Snubs the British, chides the French, defers meeting with the Dalai Lama in deference to the Chinese Dictators. etc etc etc.

Basically Obama is standing against the world's democracies, in order to prostrate himself before the world's dictators, fanatics and tyrants.

 

[woolfe9999]

We may have to sit back and watch history being made. Or we may see Netanyuhu leave with a pro Israeli settlement and business as usual.

If I had to guess on this one, I'd say that the outcome will likely not fit neatly into either category.

- wolf

 

[Narmer]

Obama needs to put pressure on those Arabs as well. But the settlement issue is a real one.

 

[CanOWorms]

Snubs the British, chides the French

:thumbsup:

50 years from now, when American missiles will join those of the emerging powers to rain down upon Buckingham Palace, Obama's foreign policy regarding Europe will be viewed as a masterpiece of foresight.

 

[Taejin]

:thumbsup:

50 years from now, when American missiles will join those of the emerging powers to rain down upon Buckingham Palace, Obama's foreign policy regarding Europe will be viewed as a masterpiece of foresight.

do you morons have nothing else to do but prattle on all day

bunch of scared chickens... there's ridiculous and then there's RIDICULOUS. But you're crossing over into WILLFULLY STUPID now.. x.x I don't even see how you can extrapolate 'US Foreign Policy is not as favorable to Britain' into 'US will bomb Britain with other "emerging powers" ' ...

 

[CanOWorms]

do you morons have nothing else to do but prattle on all day

bunch of scared chickens... there's ridiculous and then there's RIDICULOUS. But you're crossing over into WILLFULLY STUPID now.. x.x I don't even see how you can extrapolate 'US Foreign Policy is not as favorable to Britain' into 'US will bomb Britain with other "emerging powers" ' ...

Deterioration of US-European relations + rise of far-right tendencies in Europe + decline in European population/economy/etc. + rise of new powers + inefficiency in maintaining a Europe which already has a certain infrastructure (to sustain a much larger population) developed from pillaging the world = missiles targeting the Eiffel Tower.

 

[Taejin]

Deterioration of US-European relations + rise of far-right tendencies in Europe + decline in European population/economy/etc. + rise of new powers + inefficiency in maintaining a Europe which already has a certain infrastructure (to sustain a much larger population) developed from pillaging the world = missiles targeting the Eiffel Tower.

wow if you're so omniscient why the hell are you sitting here posting on P&N? You could be makin' POLICY with the bigguns y'know? The fact is trying to say anything like that apart from the short-term is a foolish endeavor at best. Trying to scry the future at such scale is a task for madmen only.

 

[Zebo]

Appears things are chillin. US slams UN's All-Israel-All-The-Time one sidedness.
http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=171739

The US was the only country at the United Nations Human Rights Council to vote against all three anti-Israel resolutions, which were approved Wednesday in Geneva.

It was also the only country to oppose a UNHRC resolution in support of the Palestinian right to self determination.

In the last weeks America's relationship with Israel has been strained. But in Geneva, the US took the council to task for its treatment of Israel.

"We are deeply troubled to be presented once again with a slate of resolutions so replete with controversial elements and one sided references that they shed no light and offer no redress for the real challenges in the region," said US Ambassador Eileen Chamberlain Donahoe.

"The council is too often exploited as a platform from which to single out Israel, which undermines its credibility," said Donahoe.

"The US strongly encourages the council to seek an alternative to highly politicized resolutions and a permanent agenda item focused on one country," said Donahue.

She suggested that this issue was best addressed under "a robust common rubric."

Both parties should examine their own human rights record, she said.

Her speech was delivered in advance of the vote on the resolution for the Palestinian right to self determination by the 47-member body.

Donahoe said that her country supported a two state solution even though it opposed the resolution.

But PLO Ambassador Ibrahim Khraishi said that there was no difference between belief in a two state solution and support for the Palestinian right to self determination.

The Palestinian people now live under "the yoke of unjust and bloody occupation," said Khraishi.

He added that he hoped next year to pass a resolution that would allow Palestinians to excursive their right to a state.

On Wednesday, aside from giving its approval to Palestinian self determination, the council approved a resolution on human rights issues in what it called the "occupied Syrian Golan," as well as two resolutions on Israeli treatment of Palestinians in the West Bank and east Jerusalem.

Israel's ambassador to the UN in Geneva Aharon Leshno Yaar said he appreciated the support of the US at the council. "We have witnessed today another anti-Israeli show," he said.

Since its inception in 2006, most of the council's resolutions which censure countries have dealt with Israel.

On Thursday the council is poised to approve a resolution which would create an independent committee to evaluate the compliance of both Israel and the Palestinians with the Goldstone Report.

Authored by South African jurist Richard Goldstone, the report asks both the Israelis and the Palestinians to hold independent investigations into their actions in Gaza around the time of Operation Cast Lead.

 

[Noobtastic]

Obama tried to sell Israel out to the Arabs in hopes of scoring diplomatic points, and he largely succeeded.

But Netanyahu, even if he wanted to, simply can't stop construction in Jerusalem. Israeli population supports it by a wide-margin and the coalition government won't tolerate any more one-sided Obama demands.

Right now Israel is too busy dealing with a potential 3rd intifada and thousands of Palestinian teenagers assaulting border police and PA security forces to worry about hurting Obama's feelings.

2 more years and he's fuckin outta here. Deport him to Saudi Arabia where he belongs.

 

[CanOWorms]

wow if you're so omniscient why the hell are you sitting here posting on P&N? You could be makin' POLICY with the bigguns y'know? The fact is trying to say anything like that apart from the short-term is a foolish endeavor at best. Trying to scry the future at such scale is a task for madmen only.

Worship of the short-term over the long-term is one of America's greatest weaknesses.

 

[Taejin]

Worship of the short-term over the long-term is one of America's greatest weaknesses.

Men like you take refuge in the fact that you will be long dead before its shown your prophecies are made up insanity.

Go read some more Nostradamus

 

[CanOWorms]

Men like you take refuge in the fact that you will be long dead before its shown your prophecies are made up insanity.

Go read some more Nostradamus

The path to the ultimate end will not manifest immediately. The elements are already developing.

 

[Ozoned]

Netanyuhu is still engaged in talks with various US officials, long after he was scheduled to have left for Israel.

At the same time I have read various blogs that the Obama administration would let Israel have its way on East Jerusalem settlement.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100325/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_us_israel

But I am guessing not this time. To some extent, Netanyuhu may not want to fly home, and explain to his coalition, that the USA has had enough with Israeli settlement on disputed land. And that he was met by a united front promising dire US reprisals against Israel if the settlement is not stopped.

The question I ask will not be answered by me, Andand tech posters, or by partisan posters seeking to justify various outcomes, but only by high level events between Israel and the Obama administration.

We may have to sit back and watch history being made. Or we may see Netanyuhu leave with a pro Israeli settlement and business as usual.

Really, the whole thing is moot. The announcement that was made when Biden was in Israel pertained to building on Jewish owned land, and expanding existing apartment complex projects.

Regardless, you will sit back and watch history being made as Iran becomes a nuclear power and more Israeli settlements are built. After all, you are just like Obama. You watch and bitch, not decide and do.

 

[Narmer]

Obama tried to sell Israel out to the Arabs in hopes of scoring diplomatic points, and he largely succeeded.

But Netanyahu, even if he wanted to, simply can't stop construction in Jerusalem. Israeli population supports it by a wide-margin and the coalition government won't tolerate any more one-sided Obama demands.

Right now Israel is too busy dealing with a potential 3rd intifada and thousands of Palestinian teenagers assaulting border police and PA security forces to worry about hurting Obama's feelings.

2 more years and he's fuckin outta here. Deport him to Saudi Arabia where he belongs.

We should deport you to Israel where you belong.

 

[Lemon law]

If I had to guess in teasing out a meaning for Netanyuhu staying is that Obama is demanding an end to Israeli settlement on all disputed land. And regardless if they are regarded as carrots or sticks, Israel is 100% dependent on the USA to do two things.
(a) Provide Israel billions in foreign and military aid and every time the US arms an Arab neighbor, we must supersize the extra US aid to Israel. (b) Veto all anti-Israeli resolutions in the UN.

So if Netanyuhu does accede to the Obama administrations demands, the only way Netanyuhu may be able to keep his fragile coalition from collapsing is to come home with a huge enough goodie bag of US aid is another possibility.

But then again, that is just a guess and total speculation.

 

[zsdersw]

If the entire Middle East, Israel included, became nothing but a huge mass of glass I wouldn't be sad.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Link

Looks like he left without cowtowing to the US.
The Congress did not chastize him, only the Obama administration.

And the US is still not allowing the UN commissions to run roughshod over Israel.

 

[cubeless]

If the entire Middle East, Israel included, became nothing but a huge mass of glass I wouldn't be sad.

that's my kind of progressive...

 

[lupi]

What disputed land, jerusalem is the new israeli capitol.

 

[zsdersw]

that's my kind of progressive...

I'm a classic liberal, not a progressive. In terms of political party, I'd say Libertarian.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Link

Looks like he left without cowtowing to the US.
The Congress did not chastize him, only the Obama administration.

And the US is still not allowing the UN commissions to run roughshod over Israel.

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Netanyahoo & Company shat on the peace process, and the US, with the authorization of construction around the 'Shepherd Hotel' in East Jerusalem.

I'm glad Obama stood up to the BS. It is not in our interest to perpetually finance the land theft, bulldozing and fence building when two-faced clowns like the Israelis manipulate us. They are lucky Susan Rice did not cut their nuts off at the UN.

AIPAC has had much too much influence on US policy in the Middle East. I would suggest they get their mind right moving forward and legitimately promote compromises and solutions.




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[EagleKeeper]

What peace process?

The Palestinians do not want it unless it is under their terms.
They can not even speak with a single voice and themselves are puppets for their Arab masters

The Israelis are not going to accept the Palestinians demanding something for nothing.

Jerusalem has never belonged to the Palestinians.

The Israelis are going to put up apartments on land that is part of the 'Shepherd Hotel'.
Who owns the hotel and its land; the Jews or the Arabs?

The building was built in the 1930s for the Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin Al-[Husseini], who was a leader of the Arab Palestinian movement in the 1920s and 1930s and of three waves of riots during this period.

When the British Mandate government deported him, the building was confiscated and turned into a military outpost for the British Army. At the end of the period of the British Mandate, the building was transferred to the ownership of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, which expanded the original structure without affecting it, and the building served as the Shepherd Hotel.

Following the Six Day War, the hotel became the property of the Government of Israel. It was used by the Ministry of Justice and as a district courthouse.

On November 5 1985, C and M properties purchased the building and surrounding land from the Government of Israel. With the beginning of the first Intifada in 1987, the Border Police leased the building and stayed there for about 15 years before moving to their new building alongside Highway One.

Since then, and up to the present, the property has been abandoned.

What claims do the Palestinians have on it. 70yrs ago?
Take it up with the British and/or Jordan.

 

[Lemon law]

Link

Looks like he left without cowtowing to the US.
The Congress did not chastize him, only the Obama administration.

And the US is still not allowing the UN commissions to run roughshod over Israel.

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Thank you Common Courtesy for that latest link saying Netanyuhu has now left, without an agreement with the Obama administration in hand.

The only point might quibble with, is, "And the US is still not allowing the UN commissions to run roughshod over Israel."

The point being, only a few hours is not enough time for any changing US actions to be implemented, but if the USA, for the first time in basically 43 years, fails to cast that veto in the security council to protect Israel from future UN resolutions, we will all have our answer.

May I remind this forum, its the President and not congress that conducts foreign policy, because that is where our constitution vests that power. I am also fairly sure Obama has the power to suspend all US aid to Israel at the stroke of a pen. And again we will all have our answer.

Netanyuhu has hit the ball to the US side of the net, we can all wait and wonder how the Obama administration will play the ball back to the Israeli side of the net?