Netanyahu Speach to US congress. Predict his revelations

[cliftonite]

A question for the anti-semites here. Iran has called for the destruction of Israel. What should Netanyahu do about that?

Why don't you name those who you think are anti-Semitic in here instead of a cowardly insult? And what in your opinion makes one an anti-semite? Disagreeing with Israeli policies?

 

[moonbogg]

A question for the anti-semites here. Iran has called for the destruction of Israel. What should Netanyahu do about that?

That kind of rhetoric is expected of the Iranian leaders and other leaders behave the same in the region. It is for pleasing the public. They say it to remain popular. Its just politics. They can't destroy Israel and they know that. If they did or even tried, they know what the results would be. This is domestic, local, political popularity derp speak and that's it.

 

[HomerJS]

A question for the anti-semites here. Iran has called for the destruction of Israel. What should Netanyahu do about that?

The current President of Iran has called for the destruction of Israel?

 

[Jaskalas]

A question for the anti-semites here. Iran has called for the destruction of Israel. What should Netanyahu do about that?

Don't know about Netanyahu, but Obama + Dems are likely to pave the way for them.

When has nuclear proliferation ever been stopped?

 

[Drako]

The current President of Iran has called for the destruction of Israel?

Yes.

 

[Atreus21]

The current President of Iran has called for the destruction of Israel?

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/11/09/iran_s_khamenei_israel_must_be_annihilated.html

 

[Fanatical Meat]

The current President of Iran has called for the destruction of Israel?

Homer we both know that Iran has done this multiple times, their current President maybe not, I know that guy did acknowledge the holocaust actually happened. We also both know that the President of Iran is essentially a figure head job the real power to rule is with the Ayatollah.

http://www.charismanews.com/world/4...enei-tweets-9-point-plan-to-annihilate-israel

This is not agreeing with the purpose of todays speech or even say its the right thing to do.

 

[Harabec]

A question for the anti-semites here. Iran has called for the destruction of Israel. What should Netanyahu do about that?

IMO - Nothing, because he's a worthless politician who has done NOTHING as PM while we are having real emergencies - healthcare that cannot support enough people, rising costs of living, rising costs of homes and apartments everywhere, lack of effective police (they're too busy sexually abusing female police members, apparently), lack of proper education and more.

These are things that threaten our way of life a lot more than some nutjobs spewing hate-speech from afar. Iran's support of world-wide terrorism can be dealt with by other countries as well.

Yet all he cares about is his stupid speech and his comfortable living as PM, spending thousands a month on ice-cream. He'll do anything to get re-elected.

 

[Genx87]

Do people really believe Iran would launch a weapon? Or provide one to a terrorist group? Im convinced they want a weapon because their neighbors have been invaded, conquered and destroyed by the United States. We have made it perfectly clear the best way to keep us from destroying your nation is if you hold a nuclear weapon.

 

[cliftonite]

Don't know about Netanyahu, but Obama + Dems are likely to pave the way for them.

When has nuclear proliferation ever been stopped?

So you support an invasion of Iran?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Do people really believe Iran would launch a weapon? Or provide one to a terrorist group? Im convinced they want a weapon because their neighbors have been invaded, conquered and destroyed by the United States. We have made it perfectly clear the best way to keep us from destroying your nation is if you hold a nuclear weapon.

I agree because the moment they join the nuclear club they are getting a talk about if a bomb goes off anywhere in the world you and North Korea will be held accountable for it so if you know something is going to happen its a good idea to stop it. Iran isn't a suicide cult.

 

[PottedMeat]

We have made it perfectly clear the best way to keep us from destroying your nation is if you hold a nuclear weapon.

if they seriously wanted one they could just pay whatever north korea asks

 

[blankslate]

A question for the anti-semites here. Iran has called for the destruction of Israel. What should Netanyahu do about that?

Iran has called for the destruction of Israel... just like the Soviet Union said it would bury the U.S.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2012/0216/What-would-happen-if-Iran-had-the-bomb-video

If Iran were to become a nuclear power, the most immediate question would be what it means for Israel, where warnings have reached histrionic heights.

"Absolutely nothing will happen," says Martin Van Creveld, an Israeli historian and author of some 20 books on military strategy. "Israel has what it takes to deter Iran, and the Iranians know it."

Mr. Van Creveld is implying that Israel's own nuclear arsenal of an estimated 200 warheads would prevent any Iranian first strike. Israel has the only such arsenal in the Middle East, and – unlike Iran's program – it has never been subject to UN inspection or safeguards.

If Iran wants to hit Israel then they are suicidal...

Perhaps if the U.S. didn't fuck up the M.E. all to hell when the goal should have been and only been to kill or capture Bin Laden; Iran wouldn't be so gung-ho on developing Nuclear capabilities or at least the knowledge of how to get weapons quickly

"If I was an Iranian national security planner, I would want nuclear weapons," Bruce Riedel, a 30-year veteran of the CIA now at the Brookings Institution in Washington, said in January.

"Look at the neighborhood that I live in: Everyone else has nuclear weapons who matters; and those who don't, don't matter, and get invaded by the United States of America," Mr. Riedel said on a panel hosted by the Atlantic Council, a Washington think tank.

Additionally just because someone vehemently disagrees with Prime Minister Netanyahu's opinions it doesn't make anyone antisemitic if that's the case then a certain segment of the Israeli population is antisemitic because afaik he doesn't get 100% of the votes during elections....

I guess Mossad is antisemitic as well?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-31596640

Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu's view in 2012 that Iran was a year away from being able to make a nuclear bomb was not shared by his own intelligence service, a leaked cable suggests.

Is Iran developing Nuclear capabilities yes... however as the CIA veteran suggests that may very well be our fault for dicking around in places in the M.E. that we didn't need to dick around in... correct me if I am wrong but as I understand it Bin Laden wasn't hiding out in Iraq when 9/11 happened...


TL: DR

Stupid statements that equate disagreeing with a country's leader with hating the country's citizens are part of the problem in P&N and with U.S. politics in general... but I guess to expect more from your post is just unrealistic.



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[Atreus21]

Do people really believe Iran would launch a weapon? Or provide one to a terrorist group?

Uh, yes. That's the whole reason for the controversy.

If Iran were considered trustworthy and normal, we wouldn't be having this argument.

The whole problem with Iran getting the bomb is that they might use it.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Uh, yes. That's the whole reason for the controversy.

If Iran were considered trustworthy and normal, we wouldn't be having this argument.

The whole problem with Iran getting the bomb is that they might use it.

We certainly can't be trusted with the bomb because we HAVE USED IT, TWICE.

 

[Atreus21]

We certainly can't be trusted with the bomb because we HAVE USED IT, TWICE.

Yes, for very good reasons.

 

[fskimospy]

Uh, yes. That's the whole reason for the controversy.

If Iran were considered trustworthy and normal, we wouldn't be having this argument.

The whole problem with Iran getting the bomb is that they might use it.

This has never been a convincing argument. It implies that you believe that Iran's government is willing to commit suicide in order to nuke Israel, meaning that the leadership of Iran is totally irrational. There's absolutely no evidence that's the case.

I doubt even Netanyahu believes Iran would actually nuke Israel. It's just that "stop Iran from getting a nuclear weapon because it will hurt our strategic interests in the Middle East" isn't nearly as pithy.

We can't stop Netanyahu from being a lying scumbag but we don't have to believe him when he tries to BS us.

 

[HomerJS]

Homer we both know that Iran has done this multiple times, their current President maybe not, I know that guy did acknowledge the holocaust actually happened. We also both know that the President of Iran is essentially a figure head job the real power to rule is with the Ayatollah.

http://www.charismanews.com/world/4...enei-tweets-9-point-plan-to-annihilate-israel

This is not agreeing with the purpose of todays speech or even say its the right thing to do.

So the answer to my question is no. The only thing Bibi has done is bitch about Obama's efforts. If you listen to him the only answer is war.

 

[cliftonite]

Uh, yes. That's the whole reason for the controversy.

If Iran were considered trustworthy and normal, we wouldn't be having this argument.

The whole problem with Iran getting the bomb is that they might use it.

Is North Korea considered to be trustworthy and normal?

 

[Atreus21]

This has never been a convincing argument. It implies that you believe that Iran's government is willing to commit suicide in order to nuke Israel, meaning that the leadership of Iran is totally irrational. There's absolutely no evidence that's the case.

Except for their incendiary rhetoric. It seems to me given that rhetoric, we have to weigh the cost of them going without the bomb against the cost of them nuking Israel. Why should they get the bomb? This is not an ally of ours.

I doubt even Netanyahu believes Iran would actually nuke Israel. It's just that "stop Iran from getting a nuclear weapon because it will hurt our strategic interests in the Middle East" isn't nearly as pithy.

If I accept that what you say about Netanyahu's beliefs is true, then it raises the question of why a threat to Israel's security interests is insufficient justification to inhibit Iran's interests.

 

[moonbogg]

Yes, for very good reasons.

The only good reason was because we had it and they didn't.

 

[Atreus21]

Is North Korea considered to be trustworthy and normal?

Of course not, and we should've stopped them too.

 

[Atreus21]

The only good reason was because we had it and they didn't.

Uh, wrong. The only good reason was because the alternative was an invasion of the islands, which would've been more costly in lives to both sides.

 

[fskimospy]

Except for their incendiary rhetoric. It seems to me given that rhetoric, we have to weigh the cost of them going without the bomb against the cost of them nuking Israel. Why should they get the bomb? This is not an ally of ours.

As mentioned before, North Korea regularly levels such incendiary rhetoric at both the US and South Korea. They have never used their nuclear weapons, nor will they unless their regime's survival is threatened. Iran and North Korea are both highly rational actors in a strategic sense.

You are right that we have to weigh costs though. Sanctions won't stop Iran from getting the bomb, only an armed attack will. When weighing the large costs of an armed attack on Iran against the infinitesimally small chance that they will suicidally start lobbing nuclear weapons around I think the choice is pretty clear.

If I accept that what you say about Netanyahu's beliefs is true, then it raises the question of why a threat to Israel's security interests is insufficient justification to inhibit Iran's interests.

Because the cost to actually inhibiting Iran's interests is extremely high.

 

[Oric]

Even if Iran has a nuclear weapon, they are more inclined to use it as a bargaining chip to keep their soverignity against United States or any other world power than blowing up a small nation. Blowing Israel is a lose lose game for trade and Iranians are as greedy traders as Israelis. Anything they say "we will blow up x" or "y is our friend" is a bargaining sentence.