Netanyahu Speach to US congress. Predict his revelations

[sphenodont]

lol, it's Obama at the negotiating table, and the rest of the world is trying to stop him from dealing with Iran.

You have an oddly myopic "rest of the world", because it's Israel and a handful of other Gulf state nations (SA, UAE, Egypt) who oppose any sort of deal with Iran, and they oppose it because they have no interest in stabilizing the region. Particularly Israel, who can only benefit when they can claim they are under constant eminent threat.

 

[fskimospy]

lol, it's Obama at the negotiating table, and the rest of the world is trying to stop him from dealing with Iran.

Only a fool would deal with Iran.

-John

To be clear, it's Obama, Germany, France, the UK, Russia, China, and Iran at the negotiating table with the support of most of the UN, and Israel (and Saudi Arabia to a lesser extent) is trying to stop him from dealing with Iran.

It's strange that you would call other people fools while showing that you're completely clueless as to what's going on.

 

[inachu]

You have an oddly myopic "rest of the world", because it's Israel and a handful of other Gulf state nations (SA, UAE, Egypt) who oppose any sort of deal with Iran, and they oppose it because they have no interest in stabilizing the region. Particularly Israel, who can only benefit when they can claim they are under constant eminent threat.

When you say Israel you should mention the zionist cult controlled portion.

Kinda like if the Falun-Dafa cult were in control of the US Govt like the evangelicals and zionists are.

Same difference. The Mossad know this and so should you.


Now imagine if the Falun Dafa were members of congress were saying we should bomb china because they can attack at any moment.

 

[Fern]

Iran is at the negotiating table. Right now. With the US.

Netanyahu wants the US to walk away from it.

Thanks for refuting nothing, but at least your using your words, so that's something.

1. Iran is there because they're getting concessions for nothing from Obama. Hell, they're not even cooperating with the UN inspectors. And now we know that they've been assisting AQ etc. for years. Technically, under the AUMF Obama is authorized by Congress to attack Iran. I'm not suggesting he do that, I mention it to point out the absurdity of his attitude wrt Iran. Seriously? He's really OK with Iran getting nukes in 10 yrs? Jeebus, that's insane.

2. Netanyahu did NOT say walk away, he said walk away from a bad deal. I heard his speech. He's begging Obama not to give up and take a bad deal.

Fern

 

[Fern]

First:

So, Saddam was destabilizing the ME in 2003 when he attacked Kuwait in 1990? Until then, the ME was a peaceful chunk of land? And from 2003-2012, it was also a peaceful chunk of land.

Saddam spend decades destabilizing the region. Attacking Kuwait is but one example.

And we completely and prematurely pulled out of Iraq in 2012 because Bush agreed to do so, and while Obama wanted to stay, Iraq told us no, and yet we still have troops stationed in Iraq?

We live in two totally different realities.

It wasn't because Bush "agreed to", it was because the UN mandate expired. Obama didn't want to stay. He made no real effort to get a SOFA.

You're done responding? What are you 13?

What kind of god damn jackass requests a run down of 2,000 yrs of history?

Yeah, I'm done with you. You bring no facts, just tired liberal talking points.

Fern

 

[fskimospy]

It wasn't because Bush "agreed to", it was because the UN mandate expired. Obama didn't want to stay. He made no real effort to get a SOFA.

Fern

This is false.

Bush signed a SOFA with Iraq in 2008 with the provision that all US forces would leave Iraq at the end of 2011.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.–Iraq_Status_of_Forces_Agreement

Obama tried to negotiate a new one but a primary provision was that US troops could be prosecuted in Iraqi courts, which of course was a nonstarter.

I think you have gotten some bad info on the US withdrawal from Iraq from somewhere.

 

[Fern]

To be clear, it's Obama, Germany, France, the UK, Russia, China, and Iran at the negotiating table with the support of most of the UN, and Israel (and Saudi Arabia to a lesser extent) is trying to stop him from dealing with Iran.

It's strange that you would call other people fools while showing that you're completely clueless as to what's going on.

Yeah, it's the P5+1, but I can't find any verification that anybody but Kerry is leading negotiations. Heck, I can't find confirmation that any of the other P5+1 are even in the room.

Support my azz. LOL. Yeah, it's only S.A. and the other Sunnis nations in the M.E. who oppose the Obama deal as he's outlined it; Sen Robert Menendez says Hi!

He's quoted here:

Underlying how far the White House has strayed from its own party, Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) followed Rice at AIPAC with a rip-roaring speech that repeatedly brought the house down, starting with his line that he would “not be intimidated by anyone” — catch that Ambassador Rice? If that wasn’t clear, he immediately slammed her recent remark: “But I take issue with those who say the prime minister’s visit to the United States is ‘destructive to U.S.-Israel relations.’ And tomorrow I will be proud when I escort Prime Minister Netanyahu to the House chamber to give his speech, to show him the respect he deserves from every American who cares about our relationship with the only true democracy in the Middle East.” He made the point Republicans and other critics of the administration have been making for some time: “Here we are, near the end of negotiations, and the goal posts have moved from dismantlement to reconfiguration.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2015/03/03/obama-confirms-worst-fears/

BTW: I noticed that Holder's DoJ announced today they were charging Menendez. Message sent!

Fern

 

[Fern]

Originally Posted by Fern
It wasn't because Bush "agreed to", it was because the UN mandate expired. Obama didn't want to stay. He made no real effort to get a SOFA.

Fern

This is false.

Bush signed a SOFA with Iraq in 2008 with the provision that all US forces would leave Iraq at the end of 2011.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.–Iraq_Status_of_Forces_Agreement

Obama tried to negotiate a new one but a primary provision was that US troops could be prosecuted in Iraqi courts, which of course was a nonstarter.

I think you have gotten some bad info on the US withdrawal from Iraq from somewhere.

As I said, the UN mandate expired 2008:

On 31 December 2008 the UN Security Council Resolution mandating the presence of a Multinational Force in Iraq, expired.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...bpnIk6tuAetBhxHjsignEjA&bvm=bv.87611401,d.aWw

That Bush managed to sign a temporary SOFA at the end 2008 as he was leaving office just gave Obama time to work with Iraq. Obama showed no interest. That Hillary made half hearted effort for show at the last minute is meaningless political theater.

Fern

 

[fskimospy]

As I said, the UN mandate expired 2008:


http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...bpnIk6tuAetBhxHjsignEjA&bvm=bv.87611401,d.aWw

That Bush managed to sign a temporary SOFA at the end 2008 as he was leaving office just gave Obama time to work with Iraq. Obama showed no interest. That Hillary made half hearted effort for show at the last minute is meaningless political theater.

Fern

The U.S. troops left as per the explicit terms of the agreement Bush signed. There is no way around this. The UN mandate expiring at the time Bush signed a new agreement is irrelevant.

No revisionist history.

 

[Fern]

The U.S. troops left as per the explicit terms of the agreement Bush signed. There is no way around this. The UN mandate expiring at the time Bush signed a new agreement is irrelevant.

No revisionist history.

Look, this is what I was responding to:

Originally Posted by nickqt View Post
And we completely and prematurely pulled out of Iraq in 2012 because Bush agreed to do so, and while Obama wanted to stay, Iraq told us no, and yet we still have troops stationed in Iraq?

We live in two totally different realities.

Upon the expiration of the UN mandate in 2008 Bush managed to get an extension for Obama. The extension wasn't for Bush himself, he was out of office literally within weeks or days IIRC. (The Bush admin worked closely with the incoming Obama admin. I'd be surprised if the Obama admin didn't have a good bit of input into that last minute SOFA.)

It wasn't Bush who decided to pull out in 2011, it was Obama. He had 3 years to figure out what he wanted to do and get it done. He did nothing.

Fern

 

[fskimospy]

Bush signed an agreement to leave in 2011. You said Bush didn't agree to that but that's exactly what he did. In writing. Explicitly.

There is no way around this.