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Never happen!!
Again you look to tyhe international community nto do something that even they would NOt allow to happen if it was their people being accused of war crimes!
In effect there is no such thing as the proper courts if a nation chooses to ignore those courts!
Lemon law
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That self admitted one sided pro Israeli fan boy Jedi Yoda states, "Never happen!!
Again you look to tyhe international community nto do something that even they would NOt allow to happen if it was their people being accused of war crimes!
In effect there is no such thing as the proper courts if a nation chooses to ignore those courts!"
OK OK JediYoda, let Israel renounce the various treaties they are signatories to, let them be a pariah State, because that is certainly what you are advocating. International sanctions at a minimum to follow. I remind you that the UN who created Israel also has the power to un create Israel.
As it is, the Palestinians have reversed position and said they will accept the judgment of the international community, which kinds leaves Israel odd man out.
Let the truth come out which will be a start in the long delayed Mid-east peace process.
Again you look to tyhe international community nto do something that even they would NOt allow to happen if it was their people being accused of war crimes!
In effect there is no such thing as the proper courts if a nation chooses to ignore those courts!"
OK OK JediYoda, let Israel renounce the various treaties they are signatories to, let them be a pariah State, because that is certainly what you are advocating. International sanctions at a minimum to follow. I remind you that the UN who created Israel also has the power to un create Israel.
As it is, the Palestinians have reversed position and said they will accept the judgment of the international community, which kinds leaves Israel odd man out.
Let the truth come out which will be a start in the long delayed Mid-east peace process.
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Your the same lemon law who admitted on these forums that everything that happens in the Middle east is the fault of Israel?? rofl......
I remind you that you are blowing smoke up everybodys ass including your own if you believe that because the UN created they can un-create israel...Dude I want some of what you are smoking...now that is funny!!!!
I am sorry that you only view things through your rose colored glasses..
I am sorry to inform you but depending on which news article you read the palestinians have not agreed to be tried by the court of world opinion....
I can always count on you to be almost as far out in left field as Nemesis is all the time!!
Lemon law
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jediYoda has the unmitogated gall to assert that, "Your the same lemon law who admitted on these forums that everything that happens in the Middle east is the fault of Israel?? rofl......"
When I freely assert both sides are at fault with plenty of blame to go around. But to JediYoda, or anyone else who does think Israel should end up with everything, is automatically assumed to be anti-Israeli biased.
The fact is and remains, until a fundamental standard of fairness going back to 1948 is established, there will never be a mid-east peace. And even for those that are pro Israeli fan clubbers, the long terms prospects for the State of Israel are bleak. Because technology favors the terrorists, and that will be a lose lose lose situation for everyone.
Sadly the moderates on all sides are being forced out of the political process, leaving only the extremists on both sides driving the
events.
When I freely assert both sides are at fault with plenty of blame to go around. But to JediYoda, or anyone else who does think Israel should end up with everything, is automatically assumed to be anti-Israeli biased.
The fact is and remains, until a fundamental standard of fairness going back to 1948 is established, there will never be a mid-east peace. And even for those that are pro Israeli fan clubbers, the long terms prospects for the State of Israel are bleak. Because technology favors the terrorists, and that will be a lose lose lose situation for everyone.
Sadly the moderates on all sides are being forced out of the political process, leaving only the extremists on both sides driving the
events.
Forget terrorists and look at Arab birth rates. Israel as a Jewish state is only a transient phase. Within 50 years, the state of Israel will cease to have a Jewish majority.
Thats horseshit... it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize the international community has no desire or will to go after the Palestinians for war crimes. Israelis would be brought to trial, the Palestinians would not. You don't see protesters on the streets of Paris calling for Palestinians to be held accountable. You don't see people marching on Pennsylvania avenue calling for Hamas to be put on trial for war crimes. The conversation is 100% one-sided against the Israelis. As such, it's a joke, and isn't worthy of the snot from my nose.
international law should be updated to allow sovereign states to defend themselves against organized non-sovereign militias.
because currently, every Hamas terrorist that's killed by Israel is immediately counted as a civilian casualty just because he's not wearing a uniform or has ranks on his shoulders.
one more thing, while Israel clearly has the technological advantage, the intelligence capabilities and firepower supremacy, the Palestinians have the propaganda advantage.
but i expect intelligent people such as the posters on this board to see through all their lies.
in every military operation, and especially in operation Cast Lead, Israel goes out of its way to avoid harming innocent civilians. It even took wounded Palestinians to its hospitals for god's sake! would Hamas do the same if it were the other way around??
because currently, every Hamas terrorist that's killed by Israel is immediately counted as a civilian casualty just because he's not wearing a uniform or has ranks on his shoulders.
one more thing, while Israel clearly has the technological advantage, the intelligence capabilities and firepower supremacy, the Palestinians have the propaganda advantage.
but i expect intelligent people such as the posters on this board to see through all their lies.
in every military operation, and especially in operation Cast Lead, Israel goes out of its way to avoid harming innocent civilians. It even took wounded Palestinians to its hospitals for god's sake! would Hamas do the same if it were the other way around??
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Israel killed over 300 Palestinian children, yet you claim that it went out of its way to avoid harming civilians. I suppose we should simply be grateful to Israel for not killing more children. I don't need to listen to Palestinian propaganda to censure Israel: we all watched Israel mercilessly and relentlessly bombard civilian areas, so perhaps rather than appealing to people's intelligence you may want to appeal to their capacity to deny both what they saw and what occurred. The Palestinians have no propaganda advantage; however, Israel's propaganda does seem to be working in your case as you define this slaughter as self-defence and as war within an urban context. Do you seriously doubt that hundreds of innocent unarmed men, women and children were killed in Israel's last offensive? Are you trying to convince us that the hundreds of civilian deaths were necessary and that the victims were actually terrorists posing as civilians? I'll leave you with a photo of three dead terrorists, clearly intercepted before firing rockets into Israeli terrority:
http://news.xinhuanet.com/engl...5/content_10659414.htm
i would've pointed you to the countless videos posted on youtube during Cast Lead operation but youtube is blocked where i work so go find them yourself and see exactly how Hamas fights from within civilian population. Hamas doesnt care about the Gaza population. they are holding them captive at gun point in their insane war against "the zionist oppressor".
while people in the west bank have a lot higher standard of living, they have relative peace and quiet because the IDF has nothing to look for in the west bank. there is a police force there and they manage to keep the peace. no one on the Palestinian side would have to die if only their got their shit together and take control of gaza.
those are not victims of Israel's aggression. those are the victims of Hamas' terrorist policies, unwillingness to negotiate, and the reaction to the incessant firing of rockets on Israeli towns.
lets imagine for a minute, that rouge Mexican terrorists start firing rockets at California and Texas for 8 years. what should the USA do? these terrorists are not Mexican soldiers, the Mexican government cant/doesn't want to control them, and thousands of people live in fear because of indiscriminate rocket attacks.
while people in the west bank have a lot higher standard of living, they have relative peace and quiet because the IDF has nothing to look for in the west bank. there is a police force there and they manage to keep the peace. no one on the Palestinian side would have to die if only their got their shit together and take control of gaza.
those are not victims of Israel's aggression. those are the victims of Hamas' terrorist policies, unwillingness to negotiate, and the reaction to the incessant firing of rockets on Israeli towns.
lets imagine for a minute, that rouge Mexican terrorists start firing rockets at California and Texas for 8 years. what should the USA do? these terrorists are not Mexican soldiers, the Mexican government cant/doesn't want to control them, and thousands of people live in fear because of indiscriminate rocket attacks.
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I'm more than willing to accept that Hamas must carry its share of the blame. Are you willing to accept that hundreds of innocent men, women and children were killed? Are you willing to accept that Israel did in fact commit war crimes? Are you willing to accept that Israel, and not Hamas, was pulling the trigger? Who were the terrorists in this situation? Your view is too one-sided. Let's imagine for a minute that crime in Los Angeles is more prevalent in certain areas. What's that you say, this is the case? Fine, would you advocate bombarding those areas of the city if you could guarantee a higher rate of "legitimate target" deaths than Israel? I mean, what is the exact number of children you can kill before you commit a war crime, a couple of hundred, fifty?
I am not arguing that Hamas or the Palestinian people are blameless, but how you can argue in favour of a country that exhibited no concern for the lives of hundreds of children is entirely beyond me. Israel is guilty of war crimes; however, whether or not it will ever be held to account for its actions remains to be seen.
so by your words, the USA is guilty of war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan and most certainly in Vietnam. in war, people die. there's no avoiding it unless you avoid the war altogether. what you can avoid is targeting civilian population on purpose which Israel doesn't do.
also, it is inferred that a country's right to defend itself is a war crime in case the aggressor is not a sovereign country? interesting...
also, it is inferred that a country's right to defend itself is a war crime in case the aggressor is not a sovereign country? interesting...
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Sorry, but I refuse to define Israel's last incursion into Gaza as a war: seemed more like shooting fish in a barrel to me. I think a handful of Israeli soldiers died, but, if I am not mistaken, the majority were killed by friendly fire.
Tell you what, let's go ahead and bombard Los Angeles, we can always play the "war on crime" get out of jail free card when the parents of the dead children come looking for us: it seems to work.
of course it was a war! there were 2 sides, each side had weapons etc'. the only difference is one side was an official army bound by international treaties and the other an army of armed men who couldn't care less about their people or international law. and can you imagine that the people of gaza actually elected those idiots?? chances are they will be re-elected too since they use fear to control the population.
i wish the people of gaza would rise up and overthrow the Hamas party. the world would be a better place.
and stop arguing who suffers the most! its pointless!
i wish the people of gaza would rise up and overthrow the Hamas party. the world would be a better place.
and stop arguing who suffers the most! its pointless!
take a look at what happens now. relative peace that goes on now is the consequence of operation Cast Lead. no one is dying on either side. a few incidences do occurs where crazy Palestinians who try to stab soldiers at border crossings.
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I agree totally, you are right on. Except I wasn't aware Hamas was technically an official army and had signed any international treaties?
Also, which Israeli terrorist are you referring to? That guy that assassinated Rabin? I'm not aware of too many others off the top of my head.
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You have reading comprehension difficulties.
Off the top of your head, amongst Israeli terrorists, you can include the politicians and army generals who ordered the Israeli army to bombard civilian areas, resulting in the deaths of over 300 children. How do you define a terrorist, is a media label all that you require or should the actions of the person in question be taken into consideration? I tell you what, if you don't like the term terrorist, I'm willing to settle on war criminals.
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It is you that lacks reading comprehension. It was mockery, you see.
In all seriousness - When you call every soldier, commander, general, pilot, anyone even remotely connected to the act of any war anywhere, a "war criminal", you render the term completely meaningless.
I don't consider pilots that carpet bombed Berlin in WW2 war criminals. Nor do I call the generals that ordered the attacks war criminals. When the German people elected Hitler, they sealed their own fate. Thus is the tragedy of war.
When Hamas uses hospitals and schools for their bases of operation and sites to launch rocket attacks, it is tragic that Israeli response often claims civilian lives. That is the reality of war and how they choose to fight it however. You can no more claim Israelis that fight back are war criminals then you can call any individual soldier on a battlefield a war criminal.
There certainly is an argument to be made for calling Hamas war criminals, for using civilians as human shields in the first place, with the specific intent on causing their deaths so that their corpses may be used for propaganda purposes. But I won't hold it against you.
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Sorry, but I didn't do that, I was quite specific: "the politicians and army generals who ordered the Israeli army to bombard civilian areas, resulting in the deaths of over 300 children."
I will accept that there are war criminals and terrorists amongst the members of Hamas, why do you find it so difficult to condemn Israel. You have a very simplistic notion of this conflict involving the "good guys" and the "bad guys". Killing over three hundred children by blanket shelling urban areas, however many "terrorists" you kill, or allegedly kill, can not and should not be justified. The fact that you try to justify this act simply confirms that you are a fanatic.
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Of course. There are crime lords in certain areas of New York. Should we simply bomb the entire zone? I mean, it doesn't matter if we kill a few hundred civilians, so long as we get who we intended to get. This is the argument you are presenting to justify Israel's actions, can't you see how stupid it is?
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Are those crime lords blowing up buses and discos? I have a feeling after sustained suicide bombing attack most of NY would be in favor of clusterbombing the bad areas if the locals didn't give up the baddies. But we can play the hypothetical game all day, so lets stick with reality.
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