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Wow, didn't expect Israel's AG to be such an anti-semite. That's how it goes, right?
No it doesn't. How do you think it's supposed to go?
Wow, didn't expect Israel's AG to be such an anti-semite. That's how it goes, right?
No, faith is simply a way for one to avoid uncomfortable truths and to absolve oneself from the reality of their decisions, actions and inactions. Religion is a tool used by those to manipulate others. Does that mean there is no good in religion? No. Religion is as good or bad as the person preaching it or practicing it, that is, it is no more or less evil or good than man himself is. Mans empathy exists whether or not god or religion exists.
Thinking good will always manifest in the end is foolish and pure laziness on the part of the believer. Good/evil happens sometimes automatically and in other times it requires work.
Waiting for good to happens reminds me of the story of the man who's town was flooded and who retreated to his rooftop and who refused the help from passers-by and emergency response personnel on the basis that God would save him. When he died on that roof and went to heaven he asked his God, "why didn't you save me?", God responded, “I tried but you refused to be helped by all the people I sent to help you".
No it doesn't. How do you think it's supposed to go?
We can hope he was being sarcastic.No it doesn't. How do you think it's supposed to go?
We can hope he was being sarcastic.
Dunno, lately criticizing Israel tends to gets you labeled as an anti-semite.
Well, there you have it. I came to rescue you from your delusion, but you didn't see it.
Criticizing Israel does not automatically make you an anti-Semite. I'm not aware of anyone arguing that.
Also, indicting Netanyahu /= criticizing Israel.
A lot of people either disagree with this or fail to grasp the difference between the two, especially of late.
It was a joke, figured that was obvious.
I don't think anyone fails to grasp the difference. The notion that all criticism of Israel is motivated by anti-Semitism is of course absurd. However, equally absurd is the notion that none of it is. If conservatives opposed to immigration from Mexico are complaining about losing their jobs to immigrants, we call that a dog whistle. It's equally possible to have a dog whistle when it comes to anti-Semitism where the word "Zionist" is a code for "Jews." Discerning the motive in an individual case can of course be difficult though it isn't necessarily impossible.
Yes, I know it was a joke. I was responding to the implied straw mannery inherent in it..
I don't think anyone fails to grasp the difference. The notion that all criticism of Israel is motivated by anti-Semitism is of course absurd. However, equally absurd is the notion that none of it is.
If conservatives opposed to immigration from Mexico are complaining about losing their jobs to immigrants, we call that a dog whistle. It's equally possible to have a dog whistle when it comes to anti-Semitism where the word "Zionist" is a code for "Jews." Discerning the motive in an individual case can of course be difficult though it isn't necessarily impossible.
Yes, I know it was a joke. I was responding to the implied straw mannery inherent in it..
Uh, bullshit. You know they literally were trying to get laws passed essentially saying that, right? Or rather that was their rationale for trying to pass laws making boycotting Israeli goods over government policies, by claiming that it was just anti-Semitism while intentionally trying to obfuscate that its because of the horrible treatment of the Palestinians by the Israeli government that is the issue. And that the right wingers have recently taken to deliberately claiming criticism of the Israeli government as being anti-semitic, right?
No you clearly didn't or else you wouldn't be trying to "respond to the implied straw mannery inherent in it" because you wouldn't fucking need to if you actually fucking recognized it as a joke.
I'm hearing that the first credible political opponent to bibi is coming from the right so the cure might be worse than the disease.
Your delusion is that I am talking about a magical being, the absurd God that can’t possibly exist you are so foolishly proud you don’t believe in. You can’t see God because you are looking for Him out of His eyes. This isn’t something you can be told. It is known by realization. Hope you do.I'm not the one that believes in a magical being that will fix everything. No delusion found.
realibrad argued that in a recent thread.Criticizing Israel does not automatically make you an anti-Semite. I'm not aware of anyone arguing that. Also, indicting Netanyahu /= criticizing Israel.
Who is "literally trying to get laws passed essentially saying that"? Please explain. Until then, I have no further comment on what you're describing.
His joke was a political comment. The "joke" was a matter of how he framed it.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/201...ake-it-a-federal-crime-to-boycott-israel.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...w-shes-filing-lawsuit/?utm_term=.bdb7af8cb816
https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...-from-fellow-democrats.2561190/#post-39734925
Yes its not just Republicans but they're showing themselves to be much more inclined to it. The dumbest part is how many of the same Republicans have spread "the Jews/zionist" conspiracy garbage themselves, so they're just showing they can be easily bought off (or perhaps they're trying to prove what a problem it is by being spineless hypocrites?).
Again, if you got it as a joke, you wouldn't be responding like you are. You clearly were not taking it as a joke. If you knew they weren't being serious (i.e. joking) you wouldn't be calling out strawman (because again, its not an actual argument, its a joke). And yes, we're more than capable of understand the nuance of if being legit anti-Semitism masked as dogwhistle "joking/trolling" and legit joking about others trying to call criticism of Israeli government policy as anti-Semitism.
Will this be good riddance to bad rubbish? I hope so.
Screw Bibi and that pompous snatch he married.
No, faith is simply a way for one to avoid uncomfortable truths and to absolve oneself from the reality of their decisions, actions and inactions. Religion is a tool used by those to manipulate others. Does that mean there is no good in religion? No. Religion is as good or bad as the person preaching it or practicing it, that is, it is no more or less evil or good than man himself is. Mans empathy exists whether or not god or religion exists.
Thinking good will always manifest in the end is foolish and pure laziness on the part of the believer. Good/evil happens sometimes automatically and in other times it requires work.
Waiting for good to happens reminds me of the story of the man who's town was flooded and who retreated to his rooftop and who refused the help from passers-by and emergency response personnel on the basis that God would save him. When he died on that roof and went to heaven he asked his God, "why didn't you save me?", God responded, “I tried but you refused to be helped by all the people I sent to help you".
I think you are being too hopefulHopefully our current Middle East policy of kissing Bibi's ass will end soon.
Marx sends his regardsNo, faith is simply a way for one to avoid uncomfortable truths and to absolve oneself from the reality of their decisions, actions and inactions. Religion is a tool used by those to manipulate others.
Yeah OK, that isn't someone passing law to declare criticism of Israel as anti-Semitic. There are people who disagree with the people who criticize Israel and want to do things like divest. Sometimes there are consequences to taking a certain political positions in a given context. People on the right face those consequences as well, getting fired for stuff they say and tweet, etc.
It was a political statement wrapped in the lingo of a joke. It wasn't something meant purely for laughs with no message, like sticking a pie in someone's face. Because his joke contained a political opinion, that is what I was responding to. It's a political opinion I do not entirely agree with because I don't think the allegation of anti-Semitism is over-used in response to criticism of Israel any more than I think allegations of racism are over-used in response to the American's right's anti-immigrant stance. In both cases there are situations where the allegation is legit and situations where it isn't.
A case in point is this discussion board. I could be wrong here, but IIRC I am about the only poster here who has expressed support for the notion that criticizing Israel even might be anti-Semitic. So I'd be the best candidate for over-using that charge. Yet I've been here for 10 years on 2 different handles and read 1000+ negative comments about Israel but have never accused a single poster of being an anti-Semite because of it. So wherever this charge is being over-used, it certainly isn't here.
Mr. Netanyahu, his future imperiled by prosecutors and political challengers alike, has enraged Jewish leaders in Israel and the United States by striking a bargain with a racist anti-Arab party whose ideology was likened by one influential rabbi to Nazism. Even pro-Israel groups in the United States that prefer to air their disagreements quietly have issued public condemnations.
On Friday, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the American lobbying group known as Aipac, and the American Jewish Committee, both of which rarely weigh in publicly on Israeli politics, declared Otzma Yehudit’s ideas “reprehensible.” They vowed not to have any contact with its leaders even if they become part of the next government.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/24/...min-netanyahu-otzma-yehudit-jewish-power.html
Netanyahu Sparks Outrage Over Pact With Racist Party
After the the way Netanyahu treated President Obama in the past was there any doubt that this right wing asshat who looked the other way when snipers murdered an unarmed medic was a racist?
If you had any doubt you were just being ignorant or a liar.
The party that this racist made a deal with is so right wing that even AIPAC disavows them....
At this point PM Netanyahu is doing more damage to Israel than ever....
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I believe that he's doing more now than ever before.. I don't think many who disapprove of his leadership would disagree but maybe I am wrong about that.etanyahu has never done anything but do damage to Israel. <shrug>