are you not literate enough? Basra is in Iraq. His uncle lives there. Uncle would convey he's unemployed to his nephew.
Since you can speak for so many others, why not let an Iraqi speak for the reality of the situation in Iraq?
are you not literate enough? Basra is in Iraq. His uncle lives there. Uncle would convey he's unemployed to his nephew.
Since you can speak for so many others, why not let an Iraqi speak for the reality of the situation in Iraq?
Learn wtf you're talking about before you start spouting 'facts.' 2 MMBPD is child's play for a major oil company. Oh hell, never mind. Proceed in ignorance - you're obviously not taking anything from the discussion.
A lot of recruitment of terrorists occurs in Mosque's. So if this occurred in this Mosque then the public is 100% in the right in burining it down.
My grandmother is in Iraq. She lives there. She has conveyed to me that she is very well employed. Got it?
I'm not speaking for anyone. However, MegaWorks is speaking for millions of people..and he's not even there!
I'm not sure if you get it, but stating something arbitrarily is not proof of anything. Again, if I say that all Canadians hate hockey, does that make it true? Does that carry any weight? Does it matter if my uncles and aunts and everyone hates hockey? Does that now mean that all Canadians hate hockey and they should banish the sport?
Of course not.
These Nepalis travelled to Iraq to find employment => they did not have any business there. They risked their lives.
13000 deaths, THIRTEEN THOUSAND deaths say your belief is wrong. Stop justifying their deaths with the claim that it was to remove a cruel and murderous dictator, even if you say it was only a side effect. Your contradictions speak for themselves. 13000 deaths for power and money (your own words) can NEVER be right. Makes the government of this nation look as bad as your "cruel and murderous dictator".
are you stupid? Saudi Arabia at its maximum limit pumps out 9.3 million barrels a day and you're saying 2 million barrels a day is child's play? Retard.
Stop acting like a kid. You have and you do speak for many and I have pointed out as such many times. MegaWorks stated his opinion as an IRAQI. The hostage takers have also made it clear. Foreigners are not welcome.
The Iraqi soccer team made its opinion clear about the US Forces. The insurgents (as the US media has adopted this term) also make their opinion clear.
I believe their opinion holds much more weight than yours.
Like who? So far, I've only read reports of journalists and truck drivers and the like being killed. They're risking their lives for profit. I havent heard of anyone from the Red Cross or the like being killed - they are on a humanitarian mission. Nor have I heard the hostage takers kidnapping any non-Iraqi businessman operating a business in Iraq.
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I don't know what other proof you want, I'm an Iraqi currently living in Canada, Montreal. If you want to comme to see for yourself, comme to ahl-bat mosque in Cote-Des-Neige, near metro Plamandon.
My parents visited Iraq five months ago and they told me that life is Sh!t there, they also visited my family in Iraq. None of them have jobs after the invasion, and they currently have none. BTW most of them have University degrees.
EIDT: I have lots of Iraqi friends inside and outside Iraq and none of them support this ridiculous occupation.
How do you know that I'm not Iraqi? You've already made so many incorrect assumptions about me as well.
How do I know if MegaWorks is Iraqi? Just because he says so doesn't mean that he is. It doesn't matter. Anyone can say anything on the internet. It's time to provide proof.
Again, is there any proof that these workers are not wanted in Iraq? I don't want an opinion. I don't want you to say that your brother's cousin's wife's sister's mother's dog is in Iraq and hates the evil foreigners. That doesn't mean anything at all. And even so, mob rules does not dictate everything.
The hostage takers have said that foreigners are not welcome, but they are not the entire population of the country. I'm sure that there are many rednecks in the US that do not want you in the US. Does that mean you should leave? Does that mean that if you're killed then you deserved it? Of course not.
Again, if I say that all Americans hate Bush, does that make it so? No.
Anyways, why are you talking about US forces? We're not talking about the occupation or armed forces. We're talking about civilians, workers, and journalists. These hostages that are being killed.
Yes...I'm asking why they don't have any business in Iraq?
Who cares if they're risking their lives for profit? Seems like lots of people go to other countries for better wages. You did. It doesn't mean any of them deserve death.
I'm not asking if these people support US intervention. I'm asking if the Iraqi people want the foreign workers in Iraq. And even if they did not, it does not mean that mob rule should dictate the beheading and killing of these workers.
Again, please provide me with proof instead of your stories about your family.
Again, stop acting like a kid. Dont argue for no reason. Read MegaWorks post above. If you want, you can go meet him as well. Or come over to IIT. I'll introduce you to Iraqis. How many Iraqis would you like to meet before your want of "proof" is satisfied? These "civilians", as I have again and again said, are there risking their lives for their profit. If they are taking a chance, too bad if they lose out. They made a conscious choice. I dont hear you moaning about the THIRTEEN THOUSAND civilians that died without even having any choice. Why is that so? Because it was "collateral" damage? What hypocrisy man.
Learn to read. I said just above that I didnt and wont risk my life for better 'wages'. These people made a conscious choice of going where they were not welcome for their profit. They lost out. Too bad for them. No one "deserves" death other than by natural causes. But hey, sh|t happens, especially if you're going out of your way to look for it.
12 Nepali people dead is proof enough. Asking for more proof is like saying provide proof that you dont have what we say you have - as our President demanded of Iraq. Otherwise, our "mob rule" will dictate the proceedings.
MegaWork's post was about a completely irrelevant topic. I'm not talking about the occupation or US forces. And I still need the proof. If you cannot provide the proof that is so crucial to your entire argument, then there's a problem.
It doesn't matter if these civlians are risking their lives. They do not deserve to die. If you have a better chance to die in the US after 9/11 than in Pakistan and should you get killed, does that mean that it was your fault for seeking higher wages and a better education? No. Stop apparently trying to place blame on people looking for work and put blame on the people that killed them. They had business to be there unless you can provide otherwise.
Again you make an incorrect assumption about me. I did not support this ridiculous war and I do moan about the loss of these people.
And how did they not have any business in Iraq?
Just answer the question..Why did they not have any business in being in Iraq?
Yes, there were risks going there...just like there are risks in plenty of jobs. Does a policeman not deserve any mourning should he die? Or should we just say 'oh, he knew the risks'.
How can you not show any compassion whatsoever?
You have to be joking.
After September 11, a Sikh was murdered because someone thought he was a Muslim. Does that mean Muslims have no business in the US? Does that mean that Americans want Muslims out of the US? Of course not. Even if the majority of Americans don't want Muslims in the US, it doesn't mean that Muslims should get out.
In addition, are you implying that the Iraqi population as a whole contributed to the murder of the 12 people from Nepal?
Stop acting like a child.
No, he quoted as an Iraqi, aware of the situation back in Iraq about the want of these foreign workers in Iraq. He stated his opinion about them not being welcome. He in now way stated that this view was held be every single one of the 23 million Iraqis. His opinion however should hold more value than yours, since he has family in Iraq.
Your want of proof cannot be satisfied. There is no legal document signed by every 23 million Iraqis that can say these foreign workers are not welcome. The constant cycle of hostage taking should be enough for an intelligent man to realize he would not be welcome in Iraq or that he is putting his life on the line by going there to make some money.
As I said above, no one "deserves" to die such a death. Too bad. They took a risk and they knew what was on the line. Here's a better analogy: if you had to get to work to make money, but knew your car brakes were broken, and you can only get to work in your car, will you risk it? Your choice. If you do, there's a possibility that you may meet an unfortunate accident. If not, sit at home, look for alternative sources of income.
There is no assumption. You have oft clearly stated that this war was justified because of removing Saddam Hussein, even if it was only a side effect.
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You wanted proof that I'm Iraqi I gaved you one, if you don't want to believe that's your problem. You wanted to know why these "workers" are not welcome? The reason is simple they're taking our key postion jobs. Look we don't mind if they they want to work after when the Americans leave our country and then we creat a real sovereignty State, then they're welcome. As for the killing read my previous posts.
Simple answer: Because they were NOT invited.
Since you are so fond of giving me lessons, why not start off with one now and show me what your compassion for the dead 13000 civilians is...
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That's OPEC alone, not including any American oil companies operating here and overseas. My point is that in the grand and eternal scheme of things, 2 MMBPD isn't much.
Convenient that you haven't heard of these things. The UN headquarters in Iraq was bombed and the Red Cross attacked. It was all in the news - maybe the BBC didn't cover it for you?
As an Iraqi, what would you have us do then? As soon as we leave, the country would become a theocracy, since religious zealots are apparently the only people there with a backbone at the moment. Further, if your family can't get jobs with 140,000 American soldiers there blowing money like there's no tomorrow, how are you going to be better off when they leave? Will they be better off not having our billions of dollars to rebuild their infrastructure so your country can actually stand on its own two feet? If so, I would suspect the Americans there are more than ready to get the hell out. Just convince us that you are, indeed, ready to take things into your own hands.
This country invited me because of my skills and qualifications. It deports many out, jails them, or punishes them in whatever manner the law allows. Since there is no means of implementing laws in Iraq, it would be wise for foreigners to understand that such an act can happen to them as well. Those who are there should leave and wait to be invited and those who are thinking of going there should also wait to be invited.
No, I am not implying as such. As I said there is no legal document signed by 23 million Iraqis to satisfy your want of proof. You will not have an understanding based on an Iraqi's opinion, I cannot provide you with a "smoking gun".
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