Neighbors dog kills my cat; injures two others

[Luthien]

I read every post Beachboy. Suing is required to have the dog euthanized to prevent someone elses pets from being injured or killed and possibly a human. In the end the guy will be very afraid to let his dogs get loose at the least and waste no time in chasing them down and returning them home if they do get out. Negligent dog owners like him are too lazy to go after the dogs and just say to themselves, "oh well I will get them when they come back home." Consequences for his negligence are forthcomming. The city won't get my cat back either but they are taking him to court and fining his ass off. Hmm, I wonder why the city is doing that? Hmm, could it be because they want to deter negligent behavior? No, different than going to court for speeding tickets and driving without a license.

Frankly anyone who tells me I should just forget it is a waste of my time.

 

[iamaelephant]

You're obviously beyond rational thinking at this point. You need help.

 

[Rogodin2]

I hope you never go through a divorce.

Rogo

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: iamaelephant
You're obviously beyond rational thinking at this point. You need help.

QFT.

This guy blew a fuse.

 

[Luthien]

Update: Neighbor a few houses down from the dog owner reported the same dogs out on Jan ~12th, 07. So the dogs got loose again within a month of the last time. The same neighbor says he now has put two and two together and believes those dogs responsible for his two missing cats. One went missing about 5 months ago and another 2 months ago a few weeks before our incident. He says he has seen those dogs out before but never reported it and didnt realize the danger like most people don't until they experience it for themselves.

Any dog owner as negligent as this dog owner should not be allowed to own dogs. Digusting.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Luthien
Update: Neighbor a few houses down from the dog owner reported the same dogs out on Jan ~12th, 07. So the dogs got loose again within a month of the last time. The same neighbor says he now has put two and two together and believes those dogs responsible for his two missing cats. One went missing about 5 months ago and another 2 months ago a few weeks before our incident. He says he has seen those dogs out before but never reported it and didnt realize the danger like most people don't until they experience it for themselves.

Any dog owner as negligent as this dog owner should not be allowed to own dogs. Digusting.

You just posted something with absolutely no proof. You said:

1. Guy A's dogs were out

2. Guy B has 2 missing cats.

How is that going to prove anything? This month:

1. I went out drinking to 3 am
2. An old Chinese satellite mysteriously turned into debris.

I guess that means I did it.

Reality check: You need to let it go. You're obsessing over a cat. People like you give cat owners the reputation I hate. They think it's OK for their cat to wander around outside their house and kill other animals (I'm told, "Sorry, but that's what cats do") but when someone else's animal kills their animal, they publicly state their outrage. It's called the food chain. Deal with it.

 

[rmrfhomeoops]

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: Luthien
My vet told me that dogs that hunt neighborhood animals like that husky escalate to biting small children if they get out enough.

Hard to look at the pictures, yes. Now realize they are only instants in time while I had to view the movie.
The owner of the dogs is not apologetic he pleaded not guilty!

If the dog is euthanized then we don't intend to persue it. The court has to decide now because he pleaded not guilty and told the court he is getting a lawyer. So, the city will fine and grant us whatever but if it doesnt include euthanasia then comes the civil trial which again we will drop if the dog is euthanized.

That dog never attacked children and never will.
The dog has been contained since the incident and is no longer a problem.

Now you want it dead, not because it is a problem, but for revenge. You're just making the "movie" longer and more painful for everybody involved.

You are the proverbial deranged crazy cat lady. It?s not normal to distribute flyers with picture of dead cats to all the neighbors. Posting it on the net is equally morbid.

I hope you lose your case in court and that the dog owner sues you for slander.

Do you know where your cats are?

In your case, you let your dog out and so the attacking dog shouldn't be euthanized by your logic. That dog's owner should just said, it sucks but your dog was "loose" and so you don't really deserve any compensation. As far as that attacking dog is concerned, it has marked it's territory where it attack your dog and neither it or its owner have any responsibility for your dog's death.

To OP, you could try to get that dog removed from the owner because of his irresponsibility that causes the death of your cat. Because it not only attack just one of your cat, but 3 of them and it also enter into your garage to attack one of the cat. That area is not that dog's territory unless it's been in your garage before; that area doesn't have its scent mark. Proving that the dog is predator and is on the hunt for more small animals, likely more pet-cats and possibly small dog in the neighborhood if it gets out again. Proving it'll attack small children is difficult.

You should try to talk to him first; it'll be hard because of the emotional attachment you have to your cat and he didn't voluntarily apologize after the incident. It could also be after you sue him, his lawyer advice him not to contact you anymore.

The civil way is take legal action to remove that dog from the owner, you can try to sue for above the vet cost and those cost will pays to relocated that dog to else where from it?s owner or have the owner lose the privilege of keeping that dog. It could do well an urban area where neighbors are far away from each other or in a barn setting with larger livestocks (not chicken/turkey).

Additionally, if you want to screw with the owner only if you know for fact he is unconcerned for his dog attacking & killing your cat. You can setup a trap in your backyard, then if you ever have the chance of capturing that dog, remove it else where and don't ever let anybody know. Let the owner feel the "loss" as you will.

One thing though, if you're high on revenge it'll not help you to recover from your loss. The time & energy spent will only help to continue harbor your resentment for that dog & his owner.

 

[rmrfhomeoops]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Luthien
Update: Neighbor a few houses down from the dog owner reported the same dogs out on Jan ~12th, 07. So the dogs got loose again within a month of the last time. The same neighbor says he now has put two and two together and believes those dogs responsible for his two missing cats. One went missing about 5 months ago and another 2 months ago a few weeks before our incident. He says he has seen those dogs out before but never reported it and didnt realize the danger like most people don't until they experience it for themselves.

Any dog owner as negligent as this dog owner should not be allowed to own dogs. Digusting.

You just posted something with absolutely no proof. You said:

1. Guy A's dogs were out

2. Guy B has 2 missing cats.

How is that going to prove anything? This month:

1. I went out drinking to 3 am
2. An old Chinese satellite mysteriously turned into debris.

I guess that means I did it.

Reality check: You need to let it go. You're obsessing over a cat. People like you give cat owners the reputation I hate. They think it's OK for their cat to wander around outside their house and kill other animals (I'm told, "Sorry, but that's what cats do") but when someone else's animal kills their animal, they publicly state their outrage. It's called the food chain. Deal with it.

At minimum there is extra witness that the dog went out despite the previous incident; proving the owner can't keeping the dog indoor or within their property. Attacking "multiple" cats in single day prove that dog is instinctively likes to hunt cat, no more further proves is needed really. If they bring the dog to court, they can have a cat in a pet carrier and see if the dog will likely go sniff and bark at the cat. That proves aggression toward the cat.

 

[shortylickens]

Originally posted by: MisterJackson
A bowl of anti-freeze left in your yard seems in order.



(I am kidding, do not do this or flame me for it)

No actually that might be just right.
Or nail the thing with a tranquilizer gun and call animal control.

 

[Codewiz]

So you are going to have a dog KILLED because it did what was natural for a dog to do?

Why not ask the court to take the dogs away from this owner. I agree the owner is reckless but the dogs are not to blame.

 

[Luthien]

Codewiz it is "natural" for humans to murder, rape, steal and use illegal drugs but for some reason in "civilized" society we punish them. The owner is responsible for allowing his dog's natural temperment to escalate and become a menace to society. I don't care what you require as "proof" I instictively KNOW that the dog has killed peoples pet's before because it went out of its way to attack our cats and was so intent on killing that it ignored surroundings and humans around it. Likely the owner is getting a lawyer because he is irrationally trying to protect his dog in an effort to forgive himself for neglecting it and allowing it to run wild. Let's not forget that there are two dogs involved here which keep getting out together further proving negligence.

 

[Luthien]

Codewiz: Why not ask the court to take the dogs away. Hmm, so not in my back yard but it's okay to pass the buck to someone elses neighborhood and have their pets killed?

No, the husky needs to be euthanized. The german sheppard with no witnesses to it killing anything (but it probably has killed or at the least has learned the behavior so is now dangerous and needs to be carefully controlled) could be rehabilitated and then relocated.

 

[xboxist]

Originally posted by: Number1
Let me get this straight. Please correct me if i am wrong.

1: You own 3 cats.

2: One of your cats, while out in the neighborhood got killed by a dog.

3: Subsequently, you allowed one of your other cats to roam the neighborhood, knowing full well that it is dangerous.

4: Later, you are surprised and outraged that the dog pursued your roaming, terrorized cat into your garage where it would naturally seek refuge from the dog.

5: You take the moral high ground, deny any responsibility and start a slandering campaign against the dog owner by sticking posters all over the neighborhood.

6: You start legal action against the dog owner.



Here is a simple solution to your problem:

1: KEEP YOUR CATS INSIDE

2: He should keep his dogs contained.

3: Purchase replacement cat, KEEP INSIDE.

4: Resume life.

Note: Even if the dog owner does not contain the dogs, all your troubles are over if you keep your cats INSIDE.

Yeah, that's fine and dandy. But the point is that there is a dog running around the neighborhood unchecked, killing sh*t. What's so hard to understand about that? Who cares where and what the circumstance was. No one should have to put up with a viscous dog and their incompetent owners.

 

[Conky]

The OP is out of control. I can't wait to hear this story on the news about the guy who killed his neighbor because his dog killed his cat. Too bad the guy doesn't have a bunny he could boil.

This thread needs more lock.

 

[Luthien]

Your sick beachBOY your really sick.

 

[Codewiz]

Codewiz: Why not ask the court to take the dogs away. Hmm, so not in my back yard but it's okay to pass the buck to someone elses neighborhood and have their pets killed?

Oh so you are now saying a responsible owner couldn't prevent this?

You sir are a fvcking idiot.

I hope the judge does the right thing by taking hte dog away from the owner and tells you to stop being such a pathetic biotch.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Luthien
Codewiz it is "natural" for humans to murder, rape, steal and use illegal drugs but for some reason in "civilized" society we punish them. The owner is responsible for allowing his dog's natural temperment to escalate and become a menace to society. I don't care what you require as "proof" I instictively KNOW that the dog has killed peoples pet's before because it went out of its way to attack our cats and was so intent on killing that it ignored surroundings and humans around it. Likely the owner is getting a lawyer because he is irrationally trying to protect his dog in an effort to forgive himself for neglecting it and allowing it to run wild. Let's not forget that there are two dogs involved here which keep getting out together further proving negligence.

You really need grief counseling. No offense, but you're honestly just raving like a madman.

 

[mjrpes3]

Originally posted by: Beachboy
The OP is out of control.

Why? All I see is someone who is trying to do something about a cat killing dog with a negligent owner. You might argue that posting pics of a dead kitty (I did not click on that link... it would disturb me too much) might have gone too far, but that is a lesser matter.

For those of you saying 'professional help' is in order... trying to achieve some sort of justice and making sure something is done about the dog (whether euthanized or having the neighbor become less negligent) is a great form of 'therapy'. It at least seems better than trying to do pathetic "mind tricks" on yourself so that you'll accept that "cat's are just property," "dogs will be dogs," etc. However, if the court thing doesn't work out and the rage hasn't lessoned, then it's time to look within yourself and figure out how to move on a bit.

 

[Luthien]

Codewiz wrong the new owner would never hear of the dogs past history, we both know when you goto the pound and pick up a dog they don't give you the past history. If they did no one would want the dog. It would take a special person with lots of dog handling experience to commit a lot of time to deal with the dog. Dog's like that are euthanized everyday probably every hour so where are all the sympathetic souls out there wanting to adopt them? Your so caught up in saving a menacing dog it has clouded your reasoning. Likely your a dog owner and likely your dog has gotten out before and now your scared for your own dogs safety. I can understand that but you need to be more careful.

 

[Luthien]

mjrpes3

thank you, nuff said.

 

[Luthien]

Neighbor's witness statement for the court:

To whom this may concern: 2/03/07
I recently received a flyer in my mail from my neighbor on xxxx drive. It described an attack on two of their sweet cats by two dogs that roam the neighborhood. One was mauled when the dog brazenly went into their residence through a cat flap door and attacked their cat. Another cat of theirs was killed by the same dogs. Their neighbor witnessed that attack. I was told that these incidents occurred around mid December. The dogs in question, a grayish husky and a black/brown Shepard looking dog were picked up by the authorities. After hearing about those incidents, it got me to thinking. Last October, 2 months earlier, I had a cat that just disappeared. It wasn?t like Wilbur to just take off for days, he was neutered. But, I wrote it off as he found another home. After I received the flier, I had to contact them and tell them what happened here at my home on xxxx ave. I have two Chihuahua?s. One's 14 yrs. old, the other is 4. On or about January 11th-12th /07, I was letting my pets (Brutus & Caesar) out on their ropes that I have tied to my porch. (we do have a leash law in Saratoga) It was around 2am-3am. After I hooked them up I opened the door, and there were these two dogs with their noses right on the bottom of my door.
I shut it fast as I thought they might try and come in. I thank the powers that be that I was still holding the dog?s ropes. I opened my door a little, waved my hand at them to shoo them away. They didn?t move a bit. I took my cane and shook it and hit my door jamb. They began to leave and sauntered off like nothing fazed them a bit. I saw that they had no collars around their necks. I thought they may have been abandoned, lost or what-not. After hearing about the cats, I spoke to the family whose cats were attacked. I described these two dogs and they knew instantly what dogs they were. I now have to stand at my door when I let my boys out to do their business. I am a disabled veteran and lost a leg serving this country. Now I need to hop or use crutches and have to go outside to be sure my pets don't get attacked. That's just not right. It's also the coldest time of year. My dogs are leashed. Why are these dogs, which are evidently dangerous, allowed to roam the streets?
The incident at my house was clearly some weeks after the owner of these was warned about not leashing his dogs. At 2-3 am, no collars, searching the neighborhood for what? Food? Kill peoples pets for fun?. What's next? Maybe someones child who's running? My pets? The dogs owner, it seems, has a blatant disreguard for the leash laws, and could care less if some child or person is traumatised by his "dogs gone wild" attitude. When a dog kills for pleasure you can not cure that. Keep it leashed always, or put it down. It would be tragic for someone to get mauled, or worse, just because it's a small infraction of the law, not worthy of much attention. That is, untill something bad happens. Then it's, how could this happen? Hindsight. 20-20. I plead to the law, their enforcers, to not wait untill something tragic happens. The dog that killed, loyal pet or not, should be put down. The owners should have to be held responsible. You can't bring back a family pet, or just replace it. But mow my lawn all summer once a week and you'll think twice before letting them out free next time. Ok, I've said my peace. I hope someone who is connected enough(you know what I mean) reads this and might try and enact some kind of measures.


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[Luthien]

Court delayed another week because the owner of the dogs just got a lawyer. The judge was about to write up a warrant when they walked into court. I was dissapointed.

Turns out that the dog owner thinks he is above the law since he is a cop...

 

[DrPizza]

When did you find out the owner was a cop?

(I'm still rooting for the dogs!)

 

[Luthien]

Case goes to trial before the city judge in late march if not settled between the lawyers by then.

Owners lawyer told the judge he is trying to give the dog back to the original owner and if the original owner won't take him or he cannot contact him the dog will be put down before the trial.

It is not acceptable to us for the dog to goto anyone. It only passes the buck to another neighborhood if not put down.

Still nothing said about paying for the vet bills. If this guy thinks he won't pay the vet bills he must have been/be a retard for a cop.

This is going to have to goto trial I have little doubt.

Mind you this is still a city trial. We expect the city trial to at the least recoup full restitution for the vet bills, have the killing dog removed or put down it isnt already removed or put down, and the owner to be warned that if his other dog is reported for anything he risks a large fine, removal of the dog, destruction of the dog and denial of ownership of any dogs as long as he resides at current address or perhaps ever.

The city will on top of that likely fine and ticket him somewhere between $500 and $1000.

We know we will get nothing for Ralph accept the cost of a new cat without going to a civil trial. We believe we can prove repeated negligence by the owner in court and thus secure a judgement against him for our loss as well as having the dog put down and if it cannot be located because the owner gave it away I am sure the court can find it and if not the owner will face criminal charges from the court for contempt and likely enlarged fines and restitution judgements.

 

[Gilligansdingy]

Sounds like your area is running rampid with wild animals. The dogs, YOUR cats, and the Neighbor's cat.

Personally, nothing bothers me more then waking in the morning and finding cat prints all over my new car....

Ralph may have not been a traveler but you do own cats that travel.

how does it go, Poeple who live in glass houses shouldnt throw stones...


Congrats on pissing off you local police force. Hopefully you can get the smell of cat urine out of your house before you put it on the market.