Phynaz
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In simplified terms, Core2 is running 3 math units per port (except for port 2).
I was hoping to see more granularity, possibly resulting in greater IPC.
But, I have no idea if current instruction mixes are causing bottlenecks in that arrangement. For example, do SSE uinits ever go unused becuase the instructions are waiting on hardware that's currently executing an INT instruction? Would getting that SSE unit on it's own hardware eliminate that possibility? Would it matter in overall performance?
That's for you guys to figure out
bryanW1995
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bryanW1995
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Seriously, Who the hell comes up with such a name? It just doesn't make any sense....
Drown the marketing department.
Drown the marketing department.
FalseChristian
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actually, most of the people that i know(i'm talking about average joe's here, not enthusiasts) considered the core 2 quad to be a dual core because it has a "2" in the name; and even when i tried to explain it to them they kept saying "but it has a 2 in the name"
Originally posted by: FalseChristian
Maybe the i7 means the IQ of the marketing dupe who was ordered to name it.
Better than naming it the "iSleven" I suppose
I agree, this would seem to be total shens...unfortunately the fact the site pulled the logos suggests someone from Intel made a phone call and nicely requested such, which would suggest there is some validity.
Consider this...when was the last time an Intel logo was leaked and it turned out to be false?
I can't recall it ever happening, which further supports the prospects of an i7 coming to your favorite electronics store this fall.
TuxDave
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Originally posted by: Phynaz
In simplified terms, Core2 is running 3 math units per port (except for port 2).
I was hoping to see more granularity, possibly resulting in greater IPC.
But, I have no idea if current instruction mixes are causing bottlenecks in that arrangement. For example, do SSE uinits ever go unused becuase the instructions are waiting on hardware that's currently executing an INT instruction? Would getting that SSE unit on it's own hardware eliminate that possibility? Would it matter in overall performance?
That's for you guys to figure out
Some SSE is executed on its own hardware. Could've sworn that Core2 had some separated INT and SIMD hardware too. Scheduling as much hardware to work on at the same time is another story all together.
Starting last year, Intel reverted the naming of its "Itanium 2" back to just "Itanium". I have a feeling it will likely do the same with "Core 2", revert it back to just plain "Core" and then follow it with a model number.
It doesn't make much sense to add "duo" or "quad" to cpus anymore as Intel said themselves to be ready for processors with tens to hundreds of cores in the future.
The "i7" likely refers to the series number, just like how the "E8x00" of the current Core2 refers to that series of cpus (6MB cache, dual core, virtualization).
That means there can be an "Core i5" later on with 4MB L3 cache and dual channel DDR3 or maybe even a "Pentium i3" later on for a dual core model.
And Celeron, will likely just remain Celeron.
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I'd rather they just go with the ghz labeling again, i.e. review sites pitting a "Core i7 2.93GHz" vs a "Core i5 2.66GHz" rather than say a Pentium Dual Core E5200 vs a Core 2 Duo E8200.
At the very least, it will make differentiating between model numbers easier. Just off the top of my head, having a general idea of the difference between a Core2 Duo 3.33GHz vs a Core2 Duo 2.66GHz is much easier than comparing a Core2 Duo E8600 vs a Core2 Duo E8200. You're going to look up the frequency anyway, so might as well display the frequency more prominently. That "duo" or "quad" can be replaced by i7 or i5 or whatever that signifies the cpu's extra features.
It doesn't make much sense to add "duo" or "quad" to cpus anymore as Intel said themselves to be ready for processors with tens to hundreds of cores in the future.
The "i7" likely refers to the series number, just like how the "E8x00" of the current Core2 refers to that series of cpus (6MB cache, dual core, virtualization).
That means there can be an "Core i5" later on with 4MB L3 cache and dual channel DDR3 or maybe even a "Pentium i3" later on for a dual core model.
And Celeron, will likely just remain Celeron.
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I'd rather they just go with the ghz labeling again, i.e. review sites pitting a "Core i7 2.93GHz" vs a "Core i5 2.66GHz" rather than say a Pentium Dual Core E5200 vs a Core 2 Duo E8200.
At the very least, it will make differentiating between model numbers easier. Just off the top of my head, having a general idea of the difference between a Core2 Duo 3.33GHz vs a Core2 Duo 2.66GHz is much easier than comparing a Core2 Duo E8600 vs a Core2 Duo E8200. You're going to look up the frequency anyway, so might as well display the frequency more prominently. That "duo" or "quad" can be replaced by i7 or i5 or whatever that signifies the cpu's extra features.
It was chosen by Intel's director of engineering, Dr. P. Pants.
That's the same guy that invented the push-pin mounting mechanism.
taltamir
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Intel 2008 CPU X4
There, no mistakes possible.
ofcourse, it will be somewhat harder to sell that in 2010 as a budget computer, eh? but that might actually be good as it will spur people to get a higher end machine (uh, no way i am paying 500$ for a 2 year old computer! give me that 1 year old one for 700$ instead)
Those people are not the sharpest spoons in the drawer are they? but the same applies here, now they will say "it is a 7 core CPU"... which actually might behoof intel, since that is 3 cores more then it actually has.
There, no mistakes possible.
ofcourse, it will be somewhat harder to sell that in 2010 as a budget computer, eh? but that might actually be good as it will spur people to get a higher end machine (uh, no way i am paying 500$ for a 2 year old computer! give me that 1 year old one for 700$ instead)
Those people are not the sharpest spoons in the drawer are they? but the same applies here, now they will say "it is a 7 core CPU"... which actually might behoof intel, since that is 3 cores more then it actually has.
Confirmation on the new branding from an Intel spokeman. (He still didn't explain what the hell the name means...)
Yep, its official on Intel's website as well: http://www.intel.com/pressroom...id=rss-90004-c1-210787
So will Westmere be i8 or will Sandy Bridge be i8?
Nehalem = i7
Westmere = i7b (or some variant to note it is part of the i7 family)
Sandy Bridge = i8
Ivy Bridge = i8b (or some variant to note it is part of the i8 family)
Haswell = i9
VirtualLarry
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Well, ok - at least the primary brand name is still "Core." Also note that "i7" is specific to the LGA1366/Bloomfield line, as the Server & Extreme Edition products. There's no reference yet to a name for the mainstream LGA1160 line, so there's still hope for that to be plain old "Core 3" in order to be simpler for retail customers.
Core 2 Duo was a bad name to begin with and caused a lot of confusion when they went quad core. However, it's too early to change the name completely again and Core 3 is not an option (is it a tricore?) so they pretty much had to call it Core something other than 3. I think they made an ok choice.
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