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guskline

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KaRLiToS: Good to hear from you! How is your little guy doing? Christmas must have been a hoot.

I know you have a preference for AMD, now RTG, but I agree with RS about waiting until after CES this upcoming weekend.

It sounds like Nvidia will give a lot more about the GTX1080TI and ATI RTG will give me details about the Vega while AMD will continue with more info on the ZEN.

Finally it seems that the monitor manufacturers will showcase all of their new monitors. With a $5,000 to perhaps $7000 dollar budget waiting a week makes a whole lot of sense AND many cents!

P.S. Playing with 2 RX480s in CF but didn't water cool because the blocks are nearly 1/2 the price of the gpu! I think I'll wait until Vega drops and see if I can water cool a single Vega.
 

casiofx

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What a terrible advice. We could be weeks from the launch of AIB 1080Ti cards and you recommend the OP get a $2400 setup?

AIB 780Ghz > OG Titan
780Ti > Titan Black
980Ti > Titan X
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It's only worth buying the Titan series as close as possible to its launch date. Why would you tell someone to waste $ like that just 4 days before CES where both Vega and 1080Ti will likely be revealed? What if NV has a 3840 CC Titan X Black?



1070 is way too slow for what the OP wants and it has no scaling room beyond 2x1070s [AIB 1080Ti could be nearly as fast as 1070 SLI]. When targeting 3440x1440/4K and esp. in multi-monitor mode, it's better to get 1080Ti and go from there. NV has to announce something powerful at CES to maintain the performance crown in 2017 and get 980Ti owners to upgrade -- consumer large die ~ 471mm2 GP102 should be imminent.

The OP also has a 290X/390X and 1070 is barely 30% faster than that card for 4K gaming when looking at modern games:

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_1080_Amp_Extreme/29.html

Given the OP has a $5K budget and a 290X, a single 1070 makes absolutely no sense for a 3440x1440/4K gaming rig.
How long does it take for the GTX1080 to be revealed vs customers getting the custom cards?
and 290X performs roughly the same with 390, which the GTX1070 Founders edition is actually 38% faster according to your link.
Comparison of 290X and 390: https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Sapphire/R9_390_Nitro/23.html

Most custom GTX1070 can boost 1830-1930Mhz out of the box, this MSI GTX1070 boosts 1926Mhz out of the box, resulting 49% faster than 390 at 4K:
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_1070_Quick_Silver_OC/29.html

49% seems small? Try gaming at 25fps vs 37 fps at 4K.

And not worth to spend on GTX1070? The GTX1070 can be had for like 10% of the budget, which some money can be recuperated by selling the 290X and GTX1070 when OP's GTX1080Ti or Vega 10 GPU reaches his house.
 
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Thinker_145

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Honestly, I'd wait a bit more. The Titan XP is a great card (wish we had the Quadro P6000) but is overkill for most games.

I say overkill because current ultrawide monitors lack the pixels and hz to saturate a Titan XP at optimal settings.

4k 120hz is nearly here and it would pair up perfectly with a Titan XP. Hopefully 5040x2160 21:9 120hz will be here soon as well.

If you want a new display, I would go with the best 4k60 (if you don't need high refresh) or the best ultrawide. If you need to run everything Ultra, go for the Titan XP, but otherwise I'd get a cheap 1070 or 1080.

I would personally build a new Zen rig (or Broadwell-E) when 4k 120hz is available. Perhaps AMD will have an answer to 1070/1080/Titan to lower prices some more.

I don't think it is worth it to splurge $1k on a monitor when PPI is still not sufficient. 4k looks great compared to 1440p and 1080p, but aliasing is still clearly visible.

I'd set aside $5,000-$15,000 for a 10080x4320 120hz 21:9 OLED Display in 8 years or so and coast on the peasant resolutions we have now. See you then!
The Titan XP is not overkill for 4K infact it's definitely not enough for it.
 

Headfoot

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I'd wait for CES and see what comes of that, then pull the trigger on the GPU. I'd wait on the CPU side for Zen and see what Intel counters with there since thats not too far out and your current set up is still very solid.
 
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What a terrible advice. We could be weeks from the launch of AIB 1080Ti cards and you recommend the OP get a $2400 setup?

AIB 780Ghz > OG Titan
780Ti > Titan Black
980Ti > Titan X
...

It's only worth buying the Titan series as close as possible to its launch date. Why would you tell someone to waste $ like that just 4 days before CES where both Vega and 1080Ti will likely be revealed? What if NV has a 3840 CC Titan X Black?

If the OP hasn't made a purchase by the time these new cards are out then I'll revise my recommendation.

If the OP looking to buy right now, then that's the best solution that one can get today to fit the OPs needs.
 
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The Titan XP is not overkill for 4K infact it's definitely not enough for it.

Titan XP significantly OC'd does an admirable job of driving my 4k 60 setup although I would like more performance. Not going multi-GPU though so I need to wait for a full GP102 or a Volta GPU.
 

Thinker_145

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Titan XP significantly OC'd does an admirable job of driving my 4k 60 setup although I would like more performance. Not going multi-GPU though so I need to wait for a full GP102 or a Volta GPU.
Yes exactly. The Titan will give you the best possible 4K experience and certainly a good one but calling it overkill is just bizarre.
 

Gikaseixas

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With an unlimited budget I'll just keep buying the best single GPU available. Still won't do SLI unless a groundbreaking game like the OG Crysis comes around.

Would you buy Titan XP now, knowing that it could be outperformed by 1080TI very soon?

Being in the market this late I would wait a few weeks and see if 1080TI gives me better performance at a lower cost... this is whats been happening so why jump the gun on expensive Titan's
 
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Thinker_145

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Would you buy Titan XP now, knowing that it could be outperformed by 1080TI very soon?

Being in the market this late I would wait a few weeks and see if 1080TI gives me better performance at a lower cost... this is whats been happening so why jump the gun on expensive Titan's
Yes I will. Having an unlimited budget means that I certainly would almost never wait for anything especially if it's not even announced as you generally have to wait quite a bit between announcement and having the product in your hand.

If something really good comes out soon then rememeber we have the budget to get what we want. That doesn't mean I'll upgrade to something that is only 10% faster which is really the best case scenario for the 1080Ti.

The OP has the budget for 2xTitan XP so even if he doesn't actually have an unlimited budget he is still covered for buying the best single GPU for quite a few years.
 

bystander36

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Would you buy Titan XP now, knowing that it could be outperformed by 1080TI very soon?

Being in the market this late I would wait a few weeks and see if 1080TI gives me better performance at a lower cost... this is whats been happening so why jump the gun on expensive Titan's
I don't think he has to worry about that. The only way the 1080ti will out perform the Titan XP is due to better cooling solutions. The same way last gen's 980ti's out performed Titan X's. He said he's putting water blocks on his cards, so they'll have better cooling, and more CUDA cores.

Given that the OP has a history of insane 4 way setups of the most expensive cards, and his budget is $5000 to $7000, I don't think the best bang for the buck is applicable here.
 
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Gikaseixas

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Still it would upset anyone if the 1080TI turn's up to be faster and cheapenthuer. It doesn't matter if you have billions, you would be pissed off by just knowing you no longer have the fastest or best in the market. IMO this is bad advice, specially this late.

If something really good comes out soon then rememeber we have the budget to get what we want. That doesn't mean I'll upgrade to something that is only 10% faster which is really the best case scenario for the 1080Ti.

Many enthusiasts here would disagree... but I do see your point
 

bystander36

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Still it would upset anyone if the 1080TI turn's up to be faster and cheaper. It doesn't matter if you have billions, you would be pissed off by just knowing you no longer have the fastest or best in the market. IMO this is bad advice, specially this late.
None of the 780ti's or 980ti's were faster than an equally clocked Titan of the same arch. They were only faster due to better cooling, and aftermarket OC's, but that is not a factor here. He is putting water blocks on these cards. He can OC. It would be a departure of their past strategy if they give the 1080ti as much or more cores than the Titan XP.
 
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If money isn't a concern then buy what you want. I wouldnt bother with multi gpu setups though.

yup. Traded a dual 1080 for a single Titan XP, couldn't be happier. Lower peak performance in games that support mGPU, but much higher performance in games that don't, and that's much of what I play.
 

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yup. Traded a dual 1080 for a single Titan XP, couldn't be happier. Lower peak performance in games that support mGPU, but much higher performance in games that don't, and that's much of what I play.

Yeah, I'm totally done with mGPU setups. I'll always buy the best I can every generation. If Vega rocks my Titan XP then I'll grab one as soon as they come out.
 
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RussianSensation

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35" 3440x1440 100Hz G-Sync x3 in landscape mode would be nuts for a holodeck:

https://www.techpowerup.com/229350/hp-launches-omen-x-curved-gaming-monitor-with-g-sync-support

The display's bezel measures under 6.87mm on the top and the sides.

The launch timing on March 12th should align nicely with the release of 1080Ti/Pascal refresh, Vega and Zen.

https://www.techpowerup.com/229339/...-cpu-es-now-run-at-3-6-ghz-base-3-9-ghz-boost

Sounds like March-April may be a great time to kill many birds at once.
 
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ZGR

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The Titan XP is not overkill for 4K infact it's definitely not enough for it.

At maximum settings I agree. Otherwise, it would fit in well with 4k 120hz. My weak 1070 can do 4k60 really well.
 

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35" 3440x1440 100Hz G-Sync x3 in landscape mode would be nuts for a holodeck:

https://www.techpowerup.com/229350/hp-launches-omen-x-curved-gaming-monitor-with-g-sync-support

The display's bezel measures under 6.87mm on the top and the sides.

The launch timing on March 12th should align nicely with the release of 1080Ti/Pascal refresh, Vega and Zen.

https://www.techpowerup.com/229339/...-cpu-es-now-run-at-3-6-ghz-base-3-9-ghz-boost

Sounds like March-April may be a great time to kill many birds at once.
LOL... Under 6.87mm? That's the most inane measurement I'd heard on a spec sheet in a while. "Better not say our 6.867mm bezel is 6.87mm, people will think it's huge. Make sure to say under 6.87mm."

Still nice looking monitor. I was actually shopping 3x Omen 32s for playing F1 2016, but I'll probably wait to see what comes out for Freesync 2.
 

KaRLiToS

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Sorry this week was a busy one with power failure everywhere around the province. And on top of that, I'm have to replace my cylinder head on my Honda GX270 engine :(.

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Even rich people (I'm not rich) don't throw their money out of the Window. And I'm pretty sure everyone here knows by now that buying a Titan XP is one of the worst idea ever in the time being.

I'm eyeing Vega as I just saw the presentation this week. I'm going to buy at least two for sure (with waterblocks of course) and I just started learning more about those 3440x1440 korean monitors. I had good experience with CrossOver 27Q Led-P that I bought in 2011-2012. Bought 3 of them from the same seller. Never had any issue with them so I might go with that.

I know I was gone for months from this forum but I'm pretty sure everyone knows by now my preference for the underdog.

And guys, I'm so happy to see you all (Rvenger, Stahlhard, Guskline, RS, Mondozei, bacon1, VirtualLarry, moonbogg, Termie, Elfear, Tential, Bystander, etc) . I missed you a lot, even you Arachnotronic and Keysplayr.
 

Thinker_145

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Yes for anyone who cares about value in the slightest bit will stay away from the XP. However I must say I would never buy a Korean monitor if I weren't strained for cash too much.
 

KaRLiToS

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Yes for anyone who cares about value in the slightest bit will stay away from the XP. However I must say I would never buy a Korean monitor if I weren't strained for cash too much.

Did you ever buy a Korean monitor?