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NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: DannyBoy

Don't spout false information on drugs, it's one of the few things I've done a LOT of research on, my recreational drug life has absolutely nothing to do with it.

I've seen first hand what stopping 'cold turkey' does to people and I know what it has done to a select minority that have died from excessive fitting.

SO WHAT?

your personal experiences - have NOthing to do with DYING from stopping Heroin Cold Turkey - UNLESS it is a SEVERE habit [and i 'covered that' by suggesting cutting way back before quitting]. :p
:roll:


AGAIN . . . IF you want to be taken seriously post RELEVENT links . . . withOUT it your "research" does nothing for me and i just won't take your word for it 'cause you 'say so'.:p
:thumbsdown:

You fail to practice what you preach by providing supporting evidence.
 

shilala

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Originally posted by: Linux23
Originally posted by: shilala
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: cmdavid
you try praying? both of you and your friend should try it.. ive seen it help many crack addicts out of addiction...

While I somewhat share your faith in the power of prayer, a response like that is typically met with ignorance and distain here.

Works for me, but I'm just an alcoholic.
My brother's an addict. I ran him through two rehabs then had him thrown in jail for robbing me. He dried out in the clink, came out and hopped right back in.
If someone doesn't want help, all you can do is stand back, watch them die, and help put on a nice funeral.
Some have to die so others can live. Better him than me, period.

wow. tell us how you really feel about your brother?

I love him like a brother. I'd do anything in the world for him. I'd take a bullet for him. If I could, I'd take his addiction today so he would no longer be strangled by it.
He hasn't hit his bottom, and he doesn't want help.
Hopefully he'll find it before we have that fancy funeral.
There's nothing anyone can do for him.
 

cvstrat

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Nov 15, 2002
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Good and serious question OP. Although this is all good advice and you should consider it heavily, I highly doubt anyone who has never been where you friend is now has any concept of what it takes to get over it.

That being said, about 2 years back two friends and I discovered methadone and oxycontin. Like that we were doing them every day and before I knew it I had been doing methadone for a year. Everyone knew something was up, they just never would have guessed what. The day I realized something was terribly wrong was when I got up off the couch after a 10hr marathon of Gran Tourismo to go outside for a few and stretch a bit. The sun was coming up and since I hadn't really slept more or less for days I was totally exhausted. Still high as hell of the wafer of methadone I had eaten a few hours back I decided sicne I hadn't eaten for days eather I would give it shot. Two bites of food and I violently vomited all over the place. I looked around at what I had become and told my friends I had to go home. I left, went home and tried to sleep.

I knew at that point I was quitting. It sucked. I felt like I had a very bad cold / flu. It only lasted for a few days, but the physical discomfort like back pain, trouble sleeping, mood swings, those lasted for a few weeks. The hardest part by far though was the addiction of DOING the drugs, not the drugs themselves. It's hard not to seek out and take them. You miss the whole process.

The best thing is to just stop.. not matter how hard it may be. Stay away from people who are doing it. I almost broke relations with those two guys, my two great friends from early childhood. You cannot be around people who do what you are trying to quit and hope to have a chance.

Since then one friend is dead from getting jacked up on pills and drinking.. that was ok.. it's when he thought it would be good to drive that he plowed into a tree and died on site. The other friend, he's going to be in jail soon. He has more tickets than one can count, drug charges, DUIs, etc. He decided to keep hanging out with the same people and kept doing the same things. He has a record a mile long already and he's only 21.

Me.. I'm doing fine. I have a good job and am currently attending college. I have tried my best to avoid drugs at all cost due to my addictive personality. I drink pretty often now, but who doesn't in college. I've done H once since then and it was so amazing I remember why I got on it in the first place. Next day the guy I did it w/asks me if I want to buy any realll cheap. No I said. If I do, I will not stop. Gotta keep that in mind and not call him back for a while. It will own you if you go back.

Long rant I know, but maybe some good advice he can use. Get away from the people that do it and the area that it incubates. Just stop cold turkey if you can, and promise never to go back no matter what.

Final side note, both of those people were relatively unintelligent and from a poor family background. Their own parents had a history of drug abuse and alcoholism. I was from a more well off family and they were always clean and healthy. Perhaps genetics provided me a better chance to have the will to stop and stay away. Some people like my two friends never had a chance IMO. I love them to death but nothing I have done has helped and they always go back, it is who they are.

best of luck, PM me if you need more advice!
 

KingPhil

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Get him to sit in a garbage can, a$$ down........ cause when he comes off of it, his a$$ will squirt $hit EVERYWHERE.............

So I've been told..... Heroin = mad constipation!
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: DannyBoy

Don't spout false information on drugs, it's one of the few things I've done a LOT of research on, my recreational drug life has absolutely nothing to do with it.

I've seen first hand what stopping 'cold turkey' does to people and I know what it has done to a select minority that have died from excessive fitting.

SO WHAT?

your personal experiences - have NOthing to do with DYING from stopping Heroin Cold Turkey - UNLESS it is a SEVERE habit [and i 'covered that' by suggesting cutting way back before quitting]. :p
:roll:


AGAIN . . . IF you want to be taken seriously post RELEVENT links . . . withOUT it your "research" does nothing for me and i just won't take your word for it 'cause you 'say so'.:p
:thumbsdown:

You fail to practice what you preach by providing supporting evidence.

As usual you fail to post anything useful . . . learn to "search" [yourself] :roll:
:thumbsdown:

ANyway here's REAL [medical] advice:

3 days to clear the system

Tolerance, Addiction, and Withdrawal
Sudden withdrawal by heavily dependent users who are in poor health is occasionally fatal, although heroin withdrawal is considered much less dangerous than alcohol or barbiturate withdrawal.

i made the normal claim . . your "friend" made a RIDICULOUS one.
:roll:

so much crap MISinfo in this thread . . . . it is NOT like Trainspotting and NOT like TV . . . nor what the police would like you top think.

IDEALLY after rehab, the addict should completely get away from his environment - away from all temptation and contact with former 'using friends' - but he must WANT to change. if he does not, you will have to wait until he does [or he dies].
 

gigapet

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kid i went to HS with OD last week. Don't have really any sympathy for him. I do feel bad for the family.
 

Ilmater

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If one of my friends were on heroin - and I have a very tight-knit group of friends - a few of us would take off from work for a week, grab his a$$, take him to one of our homes (maybe someone's basement), and watch him the entire week. He wouldn't have a cigarette, he wouldn't have a drink... nothing. We'd beat into him that this wasn't going to work and if he did it again, we were done. If he ever got on it again, that would be it. I wouldn't talk to him any more, and I wouldn't try anything further no matter how much he begged. Why? Because there's no hope. That drug - at that point - has done irreparable damage to his body, and nothing is going to stop him from dying. I will not sit around and feel guilty or responsible after that because I have a life to live.

I suggest you take a similar stance, but given that he's going through rehab right now, you may not have the rough first three days that we would have, so you can jump right to telling him that he's either done with drugs or you're done with him. Otherwise it'll tear you apart and you don't need that.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Ilmater
If one of my friends were on heroin - and I have a very tight-knit group of friends - a few of us would take off from work for a week, grab his a$$, take him to one of our homes (maybe someone's basement), and watch him the entire week. He wouldn't have a cigarette, he wouldn't have a drink... nothing. We'd beat into him that this wasn't going to work and if he did it again, we were done. If he ever got on it again, that would be it. I wouldn't talk to him any more, and I wouldn't try anything further no matter how much he begged. Why? Because there's no hope. That drug - at that point - has done irreparable damage to his body, and nothing is going to stop him from dying. I will not sit around and feel guilty or responsible after that because I have a life to live.

I suggest you take a similar stance, but given that he's going through rehab right now, you may not have the rough first three days that we would have, so you can jump right to telling him that he's either done with drugs or you're done with him. Otherwise it'll tear you apart and you don't need that.

guess you have no clue either . . .

certainly NO experience . . . it aint like quitting aspirin
:roll:

DO A SEARCH - medical info. Heroin does NOT harm the body [except to possibly OverDose] . . . it harms the mind. Powerful Drugs like cocaine and Heroin have the ability to change the hardwiring of the brain - the ONLY thing the addict is concerned with is that next dose and that next high . . .

now someone will ask for a link
:roll:
['i' already know] :p

do your own search - if you really want to know ;)
 

91TTZ

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I think they have the addicitive personality even before they do the drug. Their problem is that their urges and impulsiveness overpower their self control. Someone like that shouldn't ever drink/smoke/use in the first place, because they won't be able to handle it. They'll get hooked and they won't be able to quit.

Drugs are bad, Mmkay?
 

apoppin

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Mar 9, 2000
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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
I think they have the addicitive personality even before they do the drug. Their problem is that their urges and impulsiveness overpower their self control. Someone like that shouldn't ever drink/smoke/use in the first place, because they won't be able to handle it. They'll get hooked and they won't be able to quit.

Drugs are bad, Mmkay?

"No" to your 'blanket statement' . . . Drugs have their uses - even Heroin.

And how does one know they have an addictive personality - before they try [say] alcohol?
:roll:

oops i'm late for work!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

Aloha

 

91TTZ

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Jan 31, 2005
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Originally posted by: apoppin


Drugs are bad, Mmkay?

"No" to your 'blanket statement' . . . Drugs have their uses - even Heroin.

And how does one know they have an addictive personality - before they try [say] alcohol?
:roll:

oops i'm late for work!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:
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If you read my other posts, you'd see that I'm not actually against drugs. I think drug abuse is a fault of the user, not the substance.
 

apoppin

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Mar 9, 2000
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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: apoppin


Drugs are bad, Mmkay?

"No" to your 'blanket statement' . . . Drugs have their uses - even Heroin.

And how does one know they have an addictive personality - before they try [say] alcohol?
:roll:

oops i'm late for work!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

If you read my other posts, you'd see that I'm not actually against drugs. I think drug abuse is a fault of the user, not the substance.
[/quote]

i tend to avoid reading your posts . . . ;)

:D

[ . . . to avoid further pointless confrontations]

but i do agree with you - this time
:thumbsup:

and i am not sure what you mean by "my anti drup"
?
 

OffTopic1

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There is no tip for kicking it with out the determination from your fiend. He/She has to make the decision & stick to it.

My best friend sis was hooked on heroin since she was 14 year old (did drug since 12), and it took her 4 hardcore years on the methadone program to kick the habit. She was on the methadone for 8~9 years but the first half ot the program she wasn't fully self commited. It was a hard ride for her but she is now 11 months clean at the age of 33. And, her mother had her comited to the local metal ward 23 times ranging from 1~6 months stays. The reason she can be comited is because she signed a consent form when she were young to let the doctor & her mom comited her.

My own sister started drug at the age of 12 and she is now ban from coming to any of my family member home (the potlice will come to arrest her if we call 911). Her 3 kids has been taken away from her by their natural father & my family because her condition is so bad that she can physically harm her self and others around her. She is now 32 year old and isn't willing to quit & it is impossible for outside influent to get her off drugs. She isn't on heroin, but might as well because she is doing a combination of cocaine/crystal meth. No one can help my sis because she refuse to be comited or see a mental/addiction doctor.

Good luck to you & your friend.
 

daveymark

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Originally posted by: Mwilding
Sadly, if he hasn't hit bottom, he will continue to use.


yep. Unfortunately, some folk's bottoms are lower than others.

BTW, watching trainspotting or requiem will not help anyone kick the habit. a user sees that movie as glorification of using, regardless of what happens in the end.

read: "That will never happen to me"