Right, but I think there is a chance he would listen to me. He seems to have a strange respect for me that he doesn't have towards his parents, relatives, doctors, etc. Other than seeing him for a few hours this past winter I haven't seen him in the past five years. Before that we were really close friends for a long time. It's not gonna hurt to spend a half hour and write him a little letter.
Right, but I think there is a chance he would listen to me. He seems to have a strange respect for me that he doesn't have towards his parents, relatives, doctors, etc. Other than seeing him for a few hours this past winter I haven't seen him in the past five years. Before that we were really close friends for a long time. It's not gonna hurt to spend a half hour and write him a little letter.
Muadib
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I did. I never heard of Ketamine being used as a way to kick heroin. Link?Originally posted by: BigJ
Read what he said.
He is going to have to find a reason to quit. Apparently up till now, he has not had a compelling reason. Other than to provide encouragement, there is not much you can do for him, until he makes that commitment.
Stopping heroin cold turkey is doable and will NOT kill you. Yes, the side effects will be terrible for about 3 days and not fun for about a week, but you will survive. Another way is to use methadone, which is an opiod like heroin to help get off the stuff. This doesnt give as much of a high, and so dosage can slowly be brought down until none is taken.
gl w/ your friend, if he cant kick the habit, jail will do it for him. Lets hope it doesnt come to that.
slu MD
gl w/ your friend, if he cant kick the habit, jail will do it for him. Lets hope it doesnt come to that.
slu MD
apoppin
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methadone is a SUBSTITUTE for heroin and gives the addict a similar high . . . it's just a way for the government to keep tabs on junkies and keep them from stealing to support their habit . . . it is probably HARDER to kick methadone than heroin
IF your friend REALLY wants to kick, he will REDUCE his dosage to the absolute minimum to keep the withdrawel symptoms at bay - at the SAME time he will make an effort to exercise and eat well [including mega dosages of B-comples] to build up his body in preparation for withdrawel.
The pain is bad - like a severe flu and lasts about 3 days . . . the other physical discomfort lasts UP TO 2 weeks [IF he did NOT moderate his dosage before stopping] . . . during this detox absolutely NO heroin is allowed . . . and NO alcohol [although cannabis might be permitted for sleep . .. . . IF he can SLEEP thru most of the withdrawel, so much the better].
That's the EASY part . . . the mental longing for heroin will persist until the person 'fixes' whats wrong in his life [that encouraged him to be come dependant in the first place].
LIKELY the person has an "addictive personality" and should AVOID ALL hard drugs including [and especially] alcohol.
that's all i know
Muadib
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Let me know how you make out. I ran into a friend of mine last summer who I found out was now a crack addict. He different from your friend though as he's never had any trouble with the law. He was making close to 200k a year before we lost touch, but then he lost his job, went into a depression, and finally turned to drugs (weed).
I hadn't seen him in 2-3 years He was finally working again, and got married & had a kid, but he only makes about 40k now. When he told me he was doing crack now, I lost it, and had been avoiding him until he finally stopped calling. I've thought about doing what you are about to do, but it would kill me to see him high on crack.
DannyBoy
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DannyBoy
Diamond Member
Actually, that's complete bullshit, Delirium Tremens (the DT's) can kill you *very* easily if you stop taking a drug that you've been abusing for a long time.
apoppin
Lifer
apoppin
Lifer
------------------------Originally posted by: apoppin
it's a moviemaker's fantasy
:thumbsdown:
UNlikely with heroin - especially if he cut down before quitting.
NOT BS . . .
bupenorphine (suboxone, subutex) is the BEST method of weaning off of heroin...unfortunately very few doctors are DEA approved to prescribe it and the ones that are are only allowed to have 30 people recieving it at a time....so your friend should try to find one of the specialists that are allowed to prescribe it and try to get on the list...
the other part is to get away from all the other people that do heroin, and if possible move away from the area to somewhere where he can no longer score any dope...
the other part is to get away from all the other people that do heroin, and if possible move away from the area to somewhere where he can no longer score any dope...
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Vich, I was waiting for that. No.
SetItOff, good call on moving out of town and I agree with you. I'm not sure how he can do it, but he needs to get out of this whole area and preferably the state. I'll mention that new drug in the letter.
SetItOff, good call on moving out of town and I agree with you. I'm not sure how he can do it, but he needs to get out of this whole area and preferably the state. I'll mention that new drug in the letter.
Options:
#1 Meth clinic
#2 Jail
#3 Death
My friend from High School overdosed and died like 5 years ago.
#1 Meth clinic
#2 Jail
#3 Death
My friend from High School overdosed and died like 5 years ago.
Originally posted by: apoppin
methadone is a SUBSTITUTE for heroin and gives the addict a similar high . . . it's just a way for the government to keep tabs on junkies and keep them from stealing to support their habit . . . it is probably HARDER to kick methadone than heroin
Thats not even close to true, methadone is the drug of choice in the US for heroin addiction withdrawl. Damn hippies and their anti-government garbage.
from link for proof of how i rule.
Methadone programs
Methadone treatment has been used effectively and safely to treat heroin addiction for more than 30 years. Properly prescribed methadone is not intoxicating or sedating, and its effects do not interfere with ordinary activities such as driving a car. Patients are able to perceive pain and have emotional reactions. Most important, methadone relieves the craving associated with heroin addiction; craving is a major reason for relapse.
Methadone's effects last for about 24 hours, four to six times as long as those of heroin, so people in treatment need to take it only once a day. Also, methadone is medically safe even when used continuously for 10 years or more.
sorry dannyboy, you are wrong. It will NOT kill you. Please provide some evidence if you are going to counter my knowledge.
So kicking the habit is akin to having the flu real bad for a week or so, maybe less? Hell, if I didn't respect myself as much as I do, I'd get hooked just to kick the habit and laugh at all the weak fvckers who can't do it on their own. I have a real distaste for weakness in people and drug use is one of the worst forms of human weakness.
Then again, I'm one of the most bull-headed, strong willed people that anyone has ever known. I do crazy $hit like compete in marathons with three weeks training while losing 15 pounds and doing the entire 26.2 miles through a desert in Arizona, but that's just me. Oh, I did it because someone said I couldn't and I ended up beating them across the line by using sheer determination, because believe me, I wasn't in shape for it.
My best advice is to stick by your friend and point out all of the things he's losing or will lose by going to jail or dying from his addiction. Also, if you're going to help him through this, you better damn well be in it 110% for the whole time, otherwise you'll just be one more excuse for him to go back to using. I'd pretty much say that if you don't get physical (ie.-fighting) at least once with him, you're probably not pushing him hard enough. I'm a relentless a$$hole when dealing with someone's weakness though, so maybe that's not good advice.
Then again, I'm one of the most bull-headed, strong willed people that anyone has ever known. I do crazy $hit like compete in marathons with three weeks training while losing 15 pounds and doing the entire 26.2 miles through a desert in Arizona, but that's just me. Oh, I did it because someone said I couldn't and I ended up beating them across the line by using sheer determination, because believe me, I wasn't in shape for it.
My best advice is to stick by your friend and point out all of the things he's losing or will lose by going to jail or dying from his addiction. Also, if you're going to help him through this, you better damn well be in it 110% for the whole time, otherwise you'll just be one more excuse for him to go back to using. I'd pretty much say that if you don't get physical (ie.-fighting) at least once with him, you're probably not pushing him hard enough. I'm a relentless a$$hole when dealing with someone's weakness though, so maybe that's not good advice.
side effects don't look too bad.
lol, last summer i was around oodles of ketamine. never even thought of injecting myself instead of the rats....
DannyBoy
Diamond Member
It's not even worth arguing about with people that don't know what they're talking about.
Delirium Tremens won't directly kill you, the fits and other effects from them can.
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