Need some help from fellow atheists

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: K1052
Atheists are pretty much in the same boat as the religious.

They also profess a belief which has no basis according to the available evidence.

God that argument pisses me off.

God was made up from someone who sat around and wrote a fairytale book to keep the masses in line...why should I believe that.


Under your logic:

I say there is a flying golfing monster who can beat Tiger Woods...well there isn't any evidence against it, so you must believe it right?

 

[Homerboy]

Then for the closer point out how the Bible is a terrible place to get your morality from and how flawed the 10 commandments are.

Explain this.

 

[CKent]

Lol, I remember arguing about religion. Then I realized I wasn't the first person to question god and that I wasn't really that important. Just live & let live, most believers are just like non-believers except for this one tiny little thing, and it probably doesn't play a very big role in daily life. The pushy holier-than-thous who preach 24/7 are a tiny minority, don't let them skew your perspective.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: skrilla

Originally posted by: K1052
Atheists are pretty much in the same boat as the religious.

They also profess a belief which has no basis according to the available evidence.

I think some atheists would disagree with you here... arguing that, technically, atheism is a lack of belief in god - Meaning they hold no belief at all.

Most people who describe themselves atheist argue that god does not and can not exist.

I think your definition leans more to Nihilism than Atheism.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: K1052
Atheists are pretty much in the same boat as the religious.

They also profess a belief which has no basis according to the available evidence.

God that argument pisses me off.

God was made up from someone who sat around and wrote a fairytale book to keep the masses in line...why should I believe that.


Under your logic:

I say there is a flying golfing monster who can beat Tiger Woods...well there isn't any evidence against it, so you must believe it right?

That is oversimplifying the argument a great deal.

Seeing how literally thousands of independent cultures have developed beliefs and religious systems I don't find it so easy to discount the possibility.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

<---Believer in God, His Prophets, Heaven & Hell

I find religious people branding atheists as 'people who reject God so they can enjoy a life of immorality' just as offensive as atheists branding the religious as adults who still believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. My Mom & Dad are both practicing believers and I have never heard them speak of atheists/non-believers in derogatory terms and that is how I was raised.

Tell all the religious people to remember - "Do no judge lest you be judged." I think every religion in the world preaches that.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: skrilla

Originally posted by: K1052
Atheists are pretty much in the same boat as the religious.

They also profess a belief which has no basis according to the available evidence.

I think some atheists would disagree with you here... arguing that, technically, atheism is a lack of belief in god - Meaning they hold no belief at all.

Most people who describe themselves atheist argue that god does not and can not exist.

I think your definition leans more to Nihilism than Atheism.

"No, Donny, these men are Nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: skrilla

Originally posted by: K1052
Atheists are pretty much in the same boat as the religious.

They also profess a belief which has no basis according to the available evidence.

I think some atheists would disagree with you here... arguing that, technically, atheism is a lack of belief in god - Meaning they hold no belief at all.

Most people who describe themselves atheist argue that god does not and can not exist.

I think your definition leans more to Nihilism than Atheism.

"No, Donny, these men are Nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

lolz....I was thinking that too when I typed it.

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: Homerboy

Then for the closer point out how the Bible is a terrible place to get your morality from and how flawed the 10 commandments are.

Explain this.

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[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: JohnCU
local news paper writer asks people if they believe in god

trying to get my point across, and then someone posts this:

It's an easier life when one discounts God, heaven and hell.....once that philosophy is in place, it enables atheists to live the type of immoral life with no feelings of guilt.....

If anyone wants to add to the discussion, feel free. I'm definitely outnumbered in the bible belt.

Can't prove a negative bud... sorry. That's why these kinds of debates are silly. They might not be able to prove the positive (that God Exists) but you can't prove a negative. All you can say is that you've never encountered anything to make you believe otherwise. Beyond that, you're just arguing that Bigfoot is a fraud.

As far as the statement made by the person in your OP. To a certain extent he/she is correct. If you have no reward/punishment to look forward to when you die, then anything you do in this life is only subject to the laws of man and you can live any way you want within the bounds of societal norms. It is an easier life than to try and strive for something better in the hopes that you will reap your rewards in the afterlife.

That line of thinking does't advocate that there is a God, only that the life of an athiest isn't bound by christian morals... That christians strive (in concept) to live a life of higher purpose which is a more difficult thing to do.

 

[Homerboy]

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark

Originally posted by: Homerboy

Then for the closer point out how the Bible is a terrible place to get your morality from and how flawed the 10 commandments are.

Explain this.

Text

Ummm what?

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: skrilla

Originally posted by: K1052
Atheists are pretty much in the same boat as the religious.

They also profess a belief which has no basis according to the available evidence.

I think some atheists would disagree with you here... arguing that, technically, atheism is a lack of belief in god - Meaning they hold no belief at all.

exactly. atheism does not have a set of forced rules to which you must follow to claim you are athiest.
an atheist has no belief in god. a theist has a belief in god.
however, atheists tend to believe in something else, the same god Einstein believed in. A natural god. It's not a deity, but rather just a way to explain the natural order of things across the universe. Its an easy way to grasp at the concept that everything behaves the same way across the universe, based on local conditions. a lot of people just don't refer to it as god.

a more common and acknowledged 'belief' shared by many is that evolution is real. to say that there is no available evidence is completely wrong and shows how ignorant you are. There is plenty of basis for the viewpoints shared by many.
if you want to go as far as stating there is no evidence life was a complete luck of the draw here.. well then you would be correct, at the moment. But studying other planets is going to help us discover whether or not life has begun in the same was we thought it did here, through organisms on the most minute of scale, erupting to life out of a local "primordial soup" (in reference to a rich environment ripe for the beginnings of life, not necessarily holding strict to the idea of life beginning in the ocean, or water itself being necessary for life).

 

[ThePresence]

I don't understand. You need help in an argument? Why can't you answer them from your own logic? Do you not have the answers? :evil:

 

[TheKub]

Originally posted by: JohnCU
local news paper writer asks people if they believe in god

trying to get my point across, and then someone posts this:

It's an easier life when one discounts God, heaven and hell.....once that philosophy is in place, it enables atheists to live the type of immoral life with no feelings of guilt.....

If anyone wants to add to the discussion, feel free. I'm definitely outnumbered in the bible belt.

How about? "I don't need the belief of an omniscient super being to tell me the difference between right and wrong."

 

[IGBT]

..no rules?? no rules to break. Prepare for chaos.

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: Homerboy

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark

Originally posted by: Homerboy

Then for the closer point out how the Bible is a terrible place to get your morality from and how flawed the 10 commandments are.

Explain this.

Text

Ummm what?

The Bible. Read it.

 

[manowar821]

Don't argue with them, they won't change their minds, and you won't change yours.

Use your energy to fight injustices such as religious people trying to control other peoples sex or love lives, fight for abortion rights, or to stop them from trying to teach faith instead of fact. (If you believe in any of those rights... lol) Organized religion and fundamentalism is a disease, believing in god is not.

~From an atheist

 

[So]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: skrilla

Originally posted by: K1052
Atheists are pretty much in the same boat as the religious.

They also profess a belief which has no basis according to the available evidence.

I think some atheists would disagree with you here... arguing that, technically, atheism is a lack of belief in god - Meaning they hold no belief at all.

exactly. atheism does not have a set of forced rules to which you must follow to claim you are athiest.
an atheist has no belief in god. a theist has a belief in god.
however, atheists tend to believe in something else, the same god Einstein believed in. A natural god. It's not a deity, but rather just a way to explain the natural order of things across the universe. Its an easy way to grasp at the concept that everything behaves the same way across the universe, based on local conditions. a lot of people just don't refer to it as god.

a more common and acknowledged 'belief' shared by many is that evolution is real. to say that there is no available evidence is completely wrong and shows how ignorant you are. There is plenty of basis for the viewpoints shared by many.
if you want to go as far as stating there is no evidence life was a complete luck of the draw here.. well then you would be correct, at the moment. But studying other planets is going to help us discover whether or not life has begun in the same was we thought it did here, through organisms on the most minute of scale, erupting to life out of a local "primordial soup" (in reference to a rich environment ripe for the beginnings of life, not necessarily holding strict to the idea of life beginning in the ocean, or water itself being necessary for life).

Not believing in a Deity is not a belief you hold, it's a definition. Don't turn this into an evolution thread, you have stirred the pot without providing either anything new or any real argument.

 

[YoungGun21]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: JohnCU
local news paper writer asks people if they believe in god

trying to get my point across, and then someone posts this:

It's an easier life when one discounts God, heaven and hell.....once that philosophy is in place, it enables atheists to live the type of immoral life with no feelings of guilt.....

If anyone wants to add to the discussion, feel free. I'm definitely outnumbered in the bible belt.

...
That line of thinking does't advocate that there is a God, only that the life of an athiest isn't bound by christian morals... That christians strive (in concept) to live a life of higher purpose which is a more difficult thing to do.

So christians are "better" than atheists?

And actually you prove a negative. When you "prove" a positive you are just saying that it can't not exist.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: destrekor
exactly. atheism does not have a set of forced rules to which you must follow to claim you are athiest.
an atheist has no belief in god. a theist has a belief in god.
however, atheists tend to believe in something else, the same god Einstein believed in. A natural god. It's not a deity, but rather just a way to explain the natural order of things across the universe. Its an easy way to grasp at the concept that everything behaves the same way across the universe, based on local conditions. a lot of people just don't refer to it as god.

No two organized religions can agree on the rules either yet they get lumped together all the time.

That hasn't been my experience. Most atheists I know would dispute Einstein's belief which was a version of Pantheism IIRC.

 

[everman]

Originally posted by: JohnCU
local news paper writer asks people if they believe in god

trying to get my point across, and then someone posts this:

It's an easier life when one discounts God, heaven and hell.....once that philosophy is in place, it enables atheists to live the type of immoral life with no feelings of guilt.....

If anyone wants to add to the discussion, feel free. I'm definitely outnumbered in the bible belt.

/*looks for his philosopher hat...only finds one that says Wizzard. Notes that wizard is misspelled. Dons the hat anyways...*

It would be immoral by his standards, but perhaps not by the standards of an athiest, which can be relative. Is is what you would call "moral relativism", you define your own morality. Even religious people often practice moral relativism, they take what their religion says is immoral and trim the list as they see fit. And religious people do things which they believe is good, but some athiests may see as immoral.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: skrilla

Originally posted by: K1052
Atheists are pretty much in the same boat as the religious.

They also profess a belief which has no basis according to the available evidence.

I think some atheists would disagree with you here... arguing that, technically, atheism is a lack of belief in god - Meaning they hold no belief at all.

exactly. atheism does not have a set of forced rules to which you must follow to claim you are athiest.
an atheist has no belief in god. a theist has a belief in god.
however, atheists tend to believe in something else, the same god Einstein believed in. A natural god. It's not a deity, but rather just a way to explain the natural order of things across the universe. Its an easy way to grasp at the concept that everything behaves the same way across the universe, based on local conditions. a lot of people just don't refer to it as god.

a more common and acknowledged 'belief' shared by many is that evolution is real. to say that there is no available evidence is completely wrong and shows how ignorant you are. There is plenty of basis for the viewpoints shared by many.
if you want to go as far as stating there is no evidence life was a complete luck of the draw here.. well then you would be correct, at the moment. But studying other planets is going to help us discover whether or not life has begun in the same was we thought it did here, through organisms on the most minute of scale, erupting to life out of a local "primordial soup" (in reference to a rich environment ripe for the beginnings of life, not necessarily holding strict to the idea of life beginning in the ocean, or water itself being necessary for life).

Not believing in a Deity is not a belief you hold, it's a definition. Don't turn this into an evolution thread, you have stirred the pot without providing either anything new or any real argument.

not trying to turn this into an evolution debate at all. i hate debates. merely pointing out that the one poster was completely wrong in stating no evidence exists for anything that atheists 'believe' in.

oh, and anything anyone says stirs the pot in this type of thread.

 

[dighn]

You cannot "win" such an argument, especially when your "opponent" is a rabid believer evident from the quoted assertion.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: skrilla

Originally posted by: K1052
Atheists are pretty much in the same boat as the religious.

They also profess a belief which has no basis according to the available evidence.

I think some atheists would disagree with you here... arguing that, technically, atheism is a lack of belief in god - Meaning they hold no belief at all.

exactly. atheism does not have a set of forced rules to which you must follow to claim you are athiest.
an atheist has no belief in god. a theist has a belief in god.
however, atheists tend to believe in something else, the same god Einstein believed in. A natural god. It's not a deity, but rather just a way to explain the natural order of things across the universe. Its an easy way to grasp at the concept that everything behaves the same way across the universe, based on local conditions. a lot of people just don't refer to it as god.

a more common and acknowledged 'belief' shared by many is that evolution is real. to say that there is no available evidence is completely wrong and shows how ignorant you are. There is plenty of basis for the viewpoints shared by many.
if you want to go as far as stating there is no evidence life was a complete luck of the draw here.. well then you would be correct, at the moment. But studying other planets is going to help us discover whether or not life has begun in the same was we thought it did here, through organisms on the most minute of scale, erupting to life out of a local "primordial soup" (in reference to a rich environment ripe for the beginnings of life, not necessarily holding strict to the idea of life beginning in the ocean, or water itself being necessary for life).

Not believing in a Deity is not a belief you hold, it's a definition. Don't turn this into an evolution thread, you have stirred the pot without providing either anything new or any real argument.

not trying to turn this into an evolution debate at all. i hate debates. merely pointing out that the one poster was completely wrong in stating no evidence exists for anything that atheists 'believe' in.

oh, and anything anyone says stirs the pot in this type of thread.

None of what you talked about regarding evolution (which is a scientific theory btw) has any bearing on this particular discussion.

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: skrilla

Originally posted by: K1052
Atheists are pretty much in the same boat as the religious.

They also profess a belief which has no basis according to the available evidence.

I think some atheists would disagree with you here... arguing that, technically, atheism is a lack of belief in god - Meaning they hold no belief at all.

exactly. atheism does not have a set of forced rules to which you must follow to claim you are athiest.
an atheist has no belief in god. a theist has a belief in god.
however, atheists tend to believe in something else, the same god Einstein believed in. A natural god. It's not a deity, but rather just a way to explain the natural order of things across the universe. Its an easy way to grasp at the concept that everything behaves the same way across the universe, based on local conditions. a lot of people just don't refer to it as god.

a more common and acknowledged 'belief' shared by many is that evolution is real. to say that there is no available evidence is completely wrong and shows how ignorant you are. There is plenty of basis for the viewpoints shared by many.
if you want to go as far as stating there is no evidence life was a complete luck of the draw here.. well then you would be correct, at the moment. But studying other planets is going to help us discover whether or not life has begun in the same was we thought it did here, through organisms on the most minute of scale, erupting to life out of a local "primordial soup" (in reference to a rich environment ripe for the beginnings of life, not necessarily holding strict to the idea of life beginning in the ocean, or water itself being necessary for life).

Not believing in a Deity is not a belief you hold, it's a definition. Don't turn this into an evolution thread, you have stirred the pot without providing either anything new or any real argument.

not trying to turn this into an evolution debate at all. i hate debates. merely pointing out that the one poster was completely wrong in stating no evidence exists for anything that atheists 'believe' in.

oh, and anything anyone says stirs the pot in this type of thread.

None of what you talked about regarding evolution (which is a scientific theory btw) has any bearing on this particular discussion.

"Theory" doesn't mean "guess". It's based on a veritable assload of archaeological and biological evidence. Meanwhile, I have yet to see one of God's fingernail clippings in the Smithsonian.