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theeedude

Lifer
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Continue studying to be a nurse, I say. There is an acute shortage of nurses in this country, so you should be able to find a job somewhere.
There are no guarantees in life, I don't know why you expect the board of nursing to guarantee you a job. Yeah, your record will be used against you, but it doesn't mean you won't be able to succeed eventually, but you blocking yourself does.
 

Kyle

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Oct 14, 1999
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Originally posted by: LookatmeABC123


Please refrain from linking my intelligence to my DUI convictions. I have a DISEASE that has to be managed in the same way that a diabetic has to manage their disease through diet, insulin shots, etc. I have overcome tremendous obstacles with my education including being removed from school when I was 11 years old by a hardcore, insane, babtist mother. As hard as it is, I try to live by the mantra that "Today is the first day of the rest of my life." (Note: I said I TRY TO)

OK- so you have a disease. We're not linking your intelligence to your drinking...we're linking it to the fact that you DRIVE after you had been drinking- which is a dumbfuck stupid thing to do. Your disease has nothing to do with it.
 

Auggie

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Wow, a bunch of heartless motherfuckers in this place.

I thank God that I haven't fucked my life up by getting DUIs or developing substance abuse problems in my youth. Look, we as a society need to accept the fact that young people fuck up sometimes. I look back at myself at 18 years of age and don't see an adult, I see someone who is very much immature and MUCH different that who I am today... and that was only 8 years ago, since I'm now 26. Not every person reaches their adult form magically when they hit 18, and if the OP didn't give a shit because of his life's circumstances when he was however old he was at the time, one DUI, or 3 DUIs... to a kid it's just the same. If he didn't have any goals, any reason to care, of course he's not going to learn his lesson.

And now he has learned his lesson, and now he has a goal, and now he needs a job, and now background checks are going to kill him.

There are two options here:

1.) Be a cold hearted bastard. Say, "Gee, kiddo, you should have learned when you were younger. Now you're getting what you deserved. Enjoy your shitty life."

2.) Have some fucking compassion for another human being who's trying their best. Say, "Gee, kiddo, you really fucked up those years ago, but your test says you've been clean for a year, your head's in the right place now." Hell, put the guy on a low-responsibility job detail for a while to ensure that he keeps clean, and start random testing for substance abuse, but eventually the person can win your trust.

This is a person that otherwise may not have any good options - it's almost sinful to kick him/her like this when he/she's down. I refuse to accept a simple "fuck you, take your 3 DUIs from your youth and enjoy a life of borderline poverty" as being acceptable here.
 

jagec

Lifer
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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: waggy
"I have a DISEASE that has to be managed in the same way that a diabetic has to manage their disease through diet, insulin shots, etc. I have overcome tremendous obstacles with my education including being removed from school when I was 11 years old by a hardcore, insane, babtist mother"


sure looks like a excuse to me.
A statement of fact is not even close to the same as an excuse. His statement was the former, not the latter.

Alcoholism is considered by some to be a disease. Drinking and driving is most decidedly NOT.
he is condemmed for getting 3 DUI's. i can ignore/understand 1 with the laws today. BUT the 2nd and 3rd are no excuse. if he knows he has a drinking problem he should not DRIVE anywahere that has the possiblity of having alchohol.

he can't control himself he needs to take steps to not drive. before he kills someone.
He has taken steps to address the real problem, rather than the symptoms as you suggested. Why should he be punished for the rest of his life for mistakes made in his youth?
(worded toward OP)

Because you are not a single precious snowflake, you are one of millions of other people with similar intelligence and potential...the difference being that YOU, not them, screwed up seriously multiple times. That attitude explains exactly why so many companies are outsourcing to places where people realize they have to earn their jobs, their jobs don't have to earn them.
 

Kyle

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Originally posted by: Auggie
Wow, a bunch of heartless motherfuckers in this place.

I thank God that I haven't fucked my life up by getting DUIs or developing substance abuse problems in my youth. Look, we as a society need to accept the fact that young people fuck up sometimes. I look back at myself at 18 years of age and don't see an adult, I see someone who is very much immature and MUCH different that who I am today... and that was only 8 years ago, since I'm now 26. Not every person reaches their adult form magically when they hit 18, and if the OP didn't give a shit because of his life's circumstances when he was however old he was at the time, one DUI, or 3 DUIs... to a kid it's just the same. If he didn't have any goals, any reason to care, of course he's not going to learn his lesson.

And now he has learned his lesson, and now he has a goal, and now he needs a job, and now background checks are going to kill him.

There are two options here:

1.) Be a cold hearted bastard. Say, "Gee, kiddo, you should have learned when you were younger. Now you're getting what you deserved. Enjoy your shitty life."

2.) Have some fucking compassion for another human being who's trying their best. Say, "Gee, kiddo, you really fucked up those years ago, but your test says you've been clean for a year, your head's in the right place now." Hell, put the guy on a low-responsibility job detail for a while to ensure that he keeps clean, and start random testing for substance abuse, but eventually the person can win your trust.

This is a person that otherwise may not have any good options - it's almost sinful to kick him/her like this when he/she's down. I refuse to accept a simple "fuck you, take your 3 DUIs from your youth and enjoy a life of borderline poverty" as being acceptable here.


It's the nature of the crime (DUI) that is hard to have compassion for...Sure, maybe the OP didnt give a shit because of his life's circumstances, but he was putting other's at risk by driving. And 3 times getting caught?
I mean, I agree that it does sound like he's doing much better now- probably would be fine to hire etc, it's just hard to sympathise w/ someone that has 3 dui's.
 

Auggie

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I know, Kyle. But consider two things:

1.) Most of us have, while driving at some point in our lives, come uncomfortably close to causing an automobile accident. A lapse in judgment can come from being too preoccupied with changing the CD in your CD player just as easily as from being too cheap to call a taxi after spending the night at a bar. Both can kill people. But if you get in a wreck changing a CD out of your stereo, your insurance rate goes up a bit, whereas you can't find a job with a DUI. That's quite a double standard.

2.) I forgot my second point while typing out that first point. But man, that first point is really strong. :)
 

jagec

Lifer
Apr 30, 2004
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Originally posted by: Kyle
Originally posted by: Auggie
Wow, a bunch of heartless motherfuckers in this place.

I thank God that I haven't fucked my life up by getting DUIs or developing substance abuse problems in my youth. Look, we as a society need to accept the fact that young people fuck up sometimes. I look back at myself at 18 years of age and don't see an adult, I see someone who is very much immature and MUCH different that who I am today... and that was only 8 years ago, since I'm now 26. Not every person reaches their adult form magically when they hit 18, and if the OP didn't give a shit because of his life's circumstances when he was however old he was at the time, one DUI, or 3 DUIs... to a kid it's just the same. If he didn't have any goals, any reason to care, of course he's not going to learn his lesson.

And now he has learned his lesson, and now he has a goal, and now he needs a job, and now background checks are going to kill him.

There are two options here:

1.) Be a cold hearted bastard. Say, "Gee, kiddo, you should have learned when you were younger. Now you're getting what you deserved. Enjoy your shitty life."

2.) Have some fucking compassion for another human being who's trying their best. Say, "Gee, kiddo, you really fucked up those years ago, but your test says you've been clean for a year, your head's in the right place now." Hell, put the guy on a low-responsibility job detail for a while to ensure that he keeps clean, and start random testing for substance abuse, but eventually the person can win your trust.

This is a person that otherwise may not have any good options - it's almost sinful to kick him/her like this when he/she's down. I refuse to accept a simple "fuck you, take your 3 DUIs from your youth and enjoy a life of borderline poverty" as being acceptable here.


It's the nature of the crime (DUI) that is hard to have compassion for...Sure, maybe the OP didnt give a shit because of his life's circumstances, but he was putting other's at risk by driving. And 3 times getting caught?
I mean, I agree that it does sound like he's doing much better now- probably would be fine to hire etc, it's just hard to sympathise w/ someone that has 3 dui's.

Not to mention that he's hardly contrite. Just look at the OP:
I've currently gone over a year without a drink, but I WANT TO BE THE ONE to make that choice...On top of this no one can even guarantee that I would be able to get a nursing job anyway. YES I HAVE CONTACTED THE BOARD OF NURSING THEY WILL NOT SAY ANYTHING.

I am not concerned as much about liking my job as I am about making the most money per hour as quickly as possible. Since I do not want to work for anyone else for 20+ years, maximum income within the first 5-10 years out of college needs to be the focus.

my parents are lazy, bankrupt, and had no ambition.
He clearly doesn't need society, so why should society give him success on a silver platter? He has given nothing to the greater community, resents his parents, endangers peoples' lives without thinking that it's a big deal, resents other people making judgments about his problem drinking and hireability, and wants to have a lot of money while being responsible for no one else. He needs to change his attitude if he is to succeed.
 

Injury

Lifer
Jul 19, 2004
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Originally posted by: Auggie
Wow, a bunch of heartless motherfuckers in this place.

I thank God that I haven't fucked my life up by getting DUIs or developing substance abuse problems in my youth. Look, we as a society need to accept the fact that young people fuck up sometimes. I look back at myself at 18 years of age and don't see an adult, I see someone who is very much immature and MUCH different that who I am today... and that was only 8 years ago, since I'm now 26. Not every person reaches their adult form magically when they hit 18, and if the OP didn't give a shit because of his life's circumstances when he was however old he was at the time, one DUI, or 3 DUIs... to a kid it's just the same. If he didn't have any goals, any reason to care, of course he's not going to learn his lesson.

And now he has learned his lesson, and now he has a goal, and now he needs a job, and now background checks are going to kill him.

There are two options here:

1.) Be a cold hearted bastard. Say, "Gee, kiddo, you should have learned when you were younger. Now you're getting what you deserved. Enjoy your shitty life."

2.) Have some fucking compassion for another human being who's trying their best. Say, "Gee, kiddo, you really fucked up those years ago, but your test says you've been clean for a year, your head's in the right place now." Hell, put the guy on a low-responsibility job detail for a while to ensure that he keeps clean, and start random testing for substance abuse, but eventually the person can win your trust.

This is a person that otherwise may not have any good options - it's almost sinful to kick him/her like this when he/she's down. I refuse to accept a simple "fuck you, take your 3 DUIs from your youth and enjoy a life of borderline poverty" as being acceptable here.

You know what, if I get into 3 seperate wrecks from putting fiddling with my radio in my car or other situations where I'm being totally absent-minded I expect no sympathy. So far I've caused 0 accidents, and yes, there have been some close calls, but driving while intoxicated is a whole different ballgame... the risk is much higher. Alcoholism is not an easy beast to slay and the worst part is that it only takes one drink to start up again.


You're quite hypocritical when you say "Put the guy on low-responsibility job detail... yadda yadda"... don't you trust him enough to say it's in the past? Get serious here... if I was an employer and he was a job candidate, and hundreds of other people want the same job, why in God's name would I want to hire him for "low-responsibility" jobs and ease him into a job when I can have someone that can be trusted on day 1? Why waste my time and money on a "third time's a charm" risk when I can do better? Even restaurants have a hard time taking that risk because it costs too much to be a revolving door of employment or to pay people to earn your trust.

 

StageLeft

No Lifer
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I don't understand the main problem here--are you merely concerned that you're compelled to get etg testing and you are worried about a false positive screwing things up? I think that is PROBABLY overblowing the concern of the test; as long as you don't drink and are careful about any factors that can help increase the chances of the false positive, I don't see it as being a major thing. Gaurantee? No, but maybe you will have to take that risk given the history you have.

In regards to others complaining about this, you didn't kill anybody and hopefully learned from your mistakes. I think a wise person moves forward and uses the past to help their future. If you have done that, good job. I wouldn't join in the 100% entirely fvcking useless demonizing of past actions, if you have atoned for them, but some people have a lot of vengeance they need to get out of their systems even if it's of no relevance to anything now or in the future.
 

CycloWizard

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Originally posted by: ironwing
He isn't being punished. Employers will be protecting themselves from potential future liability. If they can hire someone without the DUI baggage, they will. In this case, for in-house nurses, if I were the employer I would give the OP a chance (assuming he was otherwise the best candidate), because driving would not be part of his job duties. If my company were a visiting nurse service then no way would I hire a candidate with three DUIs.
He's being punished here by all of you idiots raggin on him. Don't you think he realizes how stupid it was? It's pretty obvious from the OP that he does. All of you in your ivory towers have shown up to cast aspersions on him because you think you're better than him. Shame on you for that.
 

Eeezee

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Jul 23, 2005
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You should have thought about that before getting three DUIs. What the hell were you thinking?

As for your question, telemarketing jobs pay pretty well, require basically no training, and satisfy that "quick money" requirement. You said you didn't mind if you hated the job, which may very well be the case after a short time. They probably won't care if you got 3 DUIs, either; they just need people on the phones. I had some friends in high school that worked in a telemarketing job for awhile (ie you don't even need a high school diploma to do it and get paid decently).
 

Pliablemoose

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Originally posted by: senseamp
Continue studying to be a nurse, I say. There is an acute shortage of nurses in this country, so you should be able to find a job somewhere.
There are no guarantees in life, I don't know why you expect the board of nursing to guarantee you a job. Yeah, your record will be used against you, but it doesn't mean you won't be able to succeed eventually, but you blocking yourself does.

Um, the state board is in place to regulate nurses & protect public safety.

I know several physicians that have lost their license to practice because of multiple DUI's, it's a matter of public safety there's virtually no wiggle room in this case.

Further the OP's attitude isn't a particularly healthy one, he's rationalizing the hell out of what he did, blaming, projecting, you name it...
 

marincounty

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Nov 16, 2005
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Maybe you should consider politics? Bush and Cheney both have duis and it doesn't seem to have hurt their careers.
 

shadow9d9

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Jul 6, 2004
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Originally posted by: mrrman
I guess its 3 times you are stupid...to bad you didnt learn form the 1st DUI...no sympathy from me...

He shouldn't need to learn after any.. it isn't a secret that drunk driving is incredibly irresponsible and selfish. Only a complete jackass would drink and drive.. to be CAUGHT 3 times and is beyond comprehension to me... what a worthless waste o a human being.
 

shadow9d9

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Jul 6, 2004
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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: waggy
"I have a DISEASE that has to be managed in the same way that a diabetic has to manage their disease through diet, insulin shots, etc. I have overcome tremendous obstacles with my education including being removed from school when I was 11 years old by a hardcore, insane, babtist mother"


sure looks like a excuse to me.
A statement of fact is not even close to the same as an excuse. His statement was the former, not the latter.
he is condemmed for getting 3 DUI's. i can ignore/understand 1 with the laws today. BUT the 2nd and 3rd are no excuse. if he knows he has a drinking problem he should not DRIVE anywahere that has the possiblity of having alchohol.

he can't control himself he needs to take steps to not drive. before he kills someone.
He has taken steps to address the real problem, rather than the symptoms as you suggested. Why should he be punished for the rest of his life for mistakes made in his youth?

hahahaha. Yeah, it is a "disease" that you have to take action to get. Can't get the "disease" of drinking too much if you never choose to drink.

Fat people have the "disease" of wanting to eat too much!

Killers have the "disease" of wanting to kill people!
 

xSauronx

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Originally posted by: BoomerD
My daughter looked into becoming an EMT/Paramedic, but because she has one petty theft on her record, they told her not to waste her time taking the courses because she wouldn't be able to pass the state licenceing board...for one stupid petty theft charge...

(Damn, I TOLD her that would haunt her for years to come...fucking dumbass...)

I agree that with 3 DUI's you probably won't get anywhere in the nursing field. How could you NOT know or at least suspect that would be a factor?

my cousin was an EMT in the army for a few years, during which he got 3 DUIs and a number of VERY visible tattoos (also...he has a classic redneck look to him)

when he got out he wanted to stay an EMT and become an RN but, because he was an imbecile, could not.

ended up as a surveyor. company car, insurance, seems to like the work but i dont know what he gets paid, and he worked a number of years before it paid off.
 

DainBramaged

Lifer
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Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: DainBramaged
Originally posted by: ranmaniac
Originally posted by: Xanis
Originally posted by: RGN
Wait, you wanted to be a male nurse?

What's wrong with being a male nurse? There's very good money in that, plus the ability to help people to a certain degree without having to worry about somebody screaming malpractice around every corner.

Yep, not to mention job security, and with the baby boomers retiring, there will be increased demand in the healthcare sector.

All of which is great, as long as you can stomach telling people that you are a male nurse.

Dain, it'd bother me all the way to the bank...

Around here, most nurses earn between $40 and $60 per hour, PLUS huge signing bonuses.

Way to bring money into every point I try to make. :|

:D
 

RaDragon

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If you're keen on it, learn programming. I know a couple of programmers who work from home or have had a DUI and still have their jobs. As long as you can get your projects done by the deadline (and you're a good programmer) they won't care much -- well, they probably do but you get the picture.

So yah, learn C# or get into PHP or SQL or whatnot. Like I said, there are some jobs that allow you to work from home.
 

BoomerD

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Originally posted by: DainBramaged
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: DainBramaged
Originally posted by: ranmaniac
Originally posted by: Xanis
Originally posted by: RGN
Wait, you wanted to be a male nurse?

What's wrong with being a male nurse? There's very good money in that, plus the ability to help people to a certain degree without having to worry about somebody screaming malpractice around every corner.

Yep, not to mention job security, and with the baby boomers retiring, there will be increased demand in the healthcare sector.

All of which is great, as long as you can stomach telling people that you are a male nurse.

Dain, it'd bother me all the way to the bank...

Around here, most nurses earn between $40 and $60 per hour, PLUS huge signing bonuses.

Way to bring money into every point I try to make. :|

:D

:D Sorry mac...that's why we work...we're all prostitutes...we trade the services of our bodies for money...:p
 

CycloWizard

Lifer
Sep 10, 2001
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Originally posted by: shadow9d9
hahahaha. Yeah, it is a "disease" that you have to take action to get. Can't get the "disease" of drinking too much if you never choose to drink.

Fat people have the "disease" of wanting to eat too much!

Killers have the "disease" of wanting to kill people!
And you have the "disease" of ignorance, wanting to remain in the dark about well-known facts. How's that working out for you? Alcoholism has been listed as an "illness" by the American Medical Association for 51 years now.
 

abracadabra1

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Nov 18, 1999
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The limiting factor in any career you choose will ALWAYS be the 3 DUIs. I sure as hell am glad you're not becoming a nurse, because I wouldn't want you anywhere near me or my family providing care. If you're not responsible enough to not drink and drive, why should you be entrusted with the lives of others?

You need to change your goals. Making lots of money quickly is not a reasonable expectation given your past. You need to PROVE that an employer can trust that you will not put them and their company at risk. Expect a minimum of 10 incident-free years before you are not seen as an extremely high risk.

Good luck. Although I'd recommend just staying away from the wheel while drinking, you're probably better off staying away from alcohol altogether.

 

Pliablemoose

Lifer
Oct 11, 1999
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Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: DainBramaged
Originally posted by: ranmaniac
Originally posted by: Xanis
Originally posted by: RGN
Wait, you wanted to be a male nurse?

What's wrong with being a male nurse? There's very good money in that, plus the ability to help people to a certain degree without having to worry about somebody screaming malpractice around every corner.

Yep, not to mention job security, and with the baby boomers retiring, there will be increased demand in the healthcare sector.

All of which is great, as long as you can stomach telling people that you are a male nurse.

Dain, it'd bother me all the way to the bank...

Around here, most nurses earn between $40 and $60 per hour, PLUS huge signing bonuses.

I gotta call shens Median California RN hourly 33.35

I don't know of or have ever heard of an RN making $60/hour.

The highest wage earners that were RN's are CRNA's, BSN + 2 more years of school make around $100/hour. It's a very competitive field to get into, and you have to have a BS and 2 years critical care experience in a big hospital to apply to the programs in my area.

I'd also like to remind every guy considering being a nurse that when groups of women are in close proximity their periods tend to cycle at the same time.

Imagine being around 20 women on the rag for a week once a month, it ain't fun. Their eyes all actually glow in the dark & their nails grow about an inch.
 

BoomerD

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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
hahahaha. Yeah, it is a "disease" that you have to take action to get. Can't get the "disease" of drinking too much if you never choose to drink.

Fat people have the "disease" of wanting to eat too much!

Killers have the "disease" of wanting to kill people!
And you have the "disease" of ignorance, wanting to remain in the dark about well-known facts. How's that working out for you? Alcoholism has been listed as an "illness" by the American Medical Association for 51 years now.

It's still a disease of weakness, maybe a decay of moral fiber, but it's NOT a true disease anymore than fapping to pron is a disease...if it were, half of ATOT would be applying for "SSI disability...so they could get paid to stay home and "treat" their disease...
"One of the difficulties in recognizing alcoholism as a disease is it just plain doesn't seem like one. It doesn't look, sound, smell and it certainly doesn't act like a disease. To make matters worse, generally it denies it exists and resists treatment.

http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/info2/a/aa022697.htm
Alcoholism has been recognized for many years by professional medical organizations as a primary, chronic, progressive and sometimes fatal disease. The National Council on Alcoholism and Drug Dependence offers a detailed and complete definition of alcoholism, but probably the most simple way to describe it is "a mental obsession that causes a physical compulsion to drink."


BUT:
http://www.addictioninfo.org/a...t-a-Disease/Page1.html

"History and science have shown us that the existence of the disease of alcoholism is pure speculation. Just saying it?s so, doesn?t make it true.

Nevertheless, medical professionals and American culture lovingly embraced the disease concept and quickly applied it to every possible deviant behavior from alcohol abuse to compulsive lecturing.

The disease concept was a panacea for many failing medical institutions adding billions to the industry and leading to a prompt evolution of pop-psychology.

Research has shown that alcoholism is a choice, not a disease, and stripping alcohol abusers of their choice, by applying the disease concept, is a threat to the health of the individual."

"The disease concept strips the substance abuser of responsibility. A disease cannot be cured by force of will, therefore, adding the medical label transfers the responsibility from the abuser to others. Inevitably they become unwilling victims, and inevitably they take on that role.

In retrospect then, the disease concept has effectively increased alcoholism and drug abuse. Furthermore, its only benefit has been vast monetary reward for the professionals? and governmental agencies responsible for providing recovery services. Specifically, it has not offered a solution for those attempting to stop abusive alcohol and drug use. "



Labeling alcoholism as a disease merely allows it to be blamed on something other than the individual who is one. Many addicts try to blame their addictions on everyone/everything EXCEPT their own lack of will/self-restraints.

Are alcohol and many drugs physically addictive? Yes indeed, but you don't get addicted by taking one drink per week, or per month, or for that matter, one drink per day...it comes of repeated, frequent abuse.
You don't "catch" this "disease"...it's not contagious of and by itself.