911paramedic
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They were against Vietnam as well and even spit on our boys when they came back..
I agree the war shouldn't have been started, but it needs to be finished out. Displaying anti-American Imperialism hate is not the way to go...
If anyone of the anti-Americans want to move to Canada, I will send them a Thank You card
Phokus
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Everyone should have a hatred of American Imperialism. That's just an admission that this war is not about 'freedom' or 'defense', it's about trying to establish a strategic presence in the middle east.
And good luck 'finishing' this war, This war has been one of the best recruitment tools for Al Quaeda.
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Even better still, they don't have to fly clear across the Atlantic to kill Americans. It's like a carnival shooting gallery in Iraq, with 100,000+ American civilian contractors and 130,000+ American troops running around.
Before we invaded in 2003, al-Qaeda was busy running and hiding in the mountains of Afghanistan. Their training camps were being hunted down and destroyed systematically.
Now they have this wonderful, boots-on-the-ground, real-world training camp in Iraq. Security is weak, weapons/explosive are easily available, the borders leak badly, and they can blow up real live Americans instead of blowing up rocks like they did back in Tora Bora. And they do it all for fractions of a penny on the dollar. The US is always #1...in overspending. $275 million per day in Iraq alone.
Now I know why the anti-war bands are so filled with angst and hatred
Jeff7
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Let's hear it for blind, fervent nationalism! Yay!!!!
Nationalism - just another way to divide people, and create false boundaries between them. "I'm on this side of this imaginary line, therefore I'm better than you. Don't cross over here, or we can consider that an act of aggression. Our dirt is better than yours, and you can't walk on it."
911paramedic
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I'm not going to go too deep into this because it would end up derailing the thread and/or getting it moved to P/N. But I just finished a paper for Critical Thinking (and we weren't supposed to take sides) on "Was the war in Iraq justified?"
If you have a few minutes google "iraq war reasons" (or something like that) and you will come up with all kinds of speeches that were given outlining the reasons. If you look you will see that WMD's were only part of the reason, albeit a big one.
I'm against war unless it's a last resort, and I'm a veteran. I don't know why this list is being composed because the OP didn't state a reason, but it really chaps my hide when soldiers are fighting for us and these subjects come up.
I get the whole "Support the troops, but not the war" mentality, but in the end the troops get the short end of the stick.
/sorry for the minor derail, I just have many friends that are currently in country(s) and this bothers me on a personal level. Should have kept my mouth shut, the OP is doing what the soldiers are fighting for, free speech and all...
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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Even better still, they don't have to fly clear across the Atlantic to kill Americans. It's like a carnival shooting gallery in Iraq, with 100,000+ American civilian contractors and 130,000+ American troops running around.
Before we invaded in 2003, al-Qaeda was busy running and hiding in the mountains of Afghanistan. Their training camps were being hunted down and destroyed systematically.
Now they have this wonderful, boots-on-the-ground, real-world training camp in Iraq. Security is weak, weapons/explosive are easily available, the borders leak badly, and they can blow up real live Americans instead of blowing up rocks like they did back in Tora Bora. And they do it all for fractions of a penny on the dollar. The US is always #1...in overspending. $275 million per day in Iraq alone.
Now I know why the anti-war bands are so filled with angst and hatred
Would you rather them cross over the Atlantic as you suggested. You take the war to them or else they bring the war to you. They seem intent on war and are going to wage war on the Great Satan's of the world regardless of our actions. They have been brainwashed and indoctrinated into a world of hatred. Us sitting on our rears not doing anything won't discourage them.
The best course of action is sanctians against Saudi Arabia since their "government mandated religion" is wahabism as were 3/4 of the 9-11 terrorists Saudi nationals. But, we are stuck with them since they have oil and all our fucking hippies and tree huggers won't allow us build more refineries and explore our own resources or build nuclear power plants....
So really the people that we have to blame about all this war is the self-proclaimed anti-war hippies that are cutting their own nose off despite the face.
We would not be at war if we didn't need the oil...we can't get enough oil from here nor can we build plants to generate electricity..
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Pre-invasion, WMDs were the only reason given to Congress (and the U.N.) to grant Bush the authorization to invade Iraq. The "other reasons" for war got more and more air time with every passing week that we failed to uncover WMDs on Iraqi soil.
911paramedic
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I wish Reagan would be the next president. (A zombified Reagan is just what we need, and I bet the two term limit doesn't apply to zombies.)
911paramedic
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That was the trump card, but not the only reason. Read the pre-war speeches to congress.
("sponsor of terrorism, ruthless dictator, failing to comply with UN resolutions, firing on UN aircraft, etc, etc. He was even given the chance to leave the country to avoid the war, but being the megalomaniac he was, not a chance of that happening.)
P.S. This is sooooo going to P/N.
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You're absolutely correct. And in fact, we did take the war to them, back on October 7th, 2001, when we invaded Afghanistan to hunt down al-Qaeda. Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11 or al-Qaeda...wait, correction, Iraq had nothing to do with al-Qaeda before we invaded. Now it's a terrorist recruitment center, training facility, and shooting gallery, all in one convenient package. al-Qaeda has their fun; Iraqis and Americans pay the price.
Just because they recruited 15 Saudis doesn't mean you can draw some silly conclusion to condemn a nation of 25 million people. If I recruited 15 KKK members for a hate crime, can we condemn the population of an entire city, state, or country for my actions?
There isn't a grand conspiracy regarding oil. The Middle East wants to sell, and we want to buy. Believe it or not, trade between nations has succeeded without the need for war, occupations, or sanctions.
Nitemare
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Saudi Arabia's state religion is wahhabism...
We are their enemy...http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/...nalyses/wahhabism.html
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Oh man, i know about a hundred of them (politics is a common theme in punk/HC). BoySetsFire and Crass come to mind.
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