Need a little help in understanding why the War needs to stop?

[T-man]

Here you go
Try groups 2 and 4,
WARNING /NOTE, these images are graphic in their depiction of the scenes of war

 

[lozina]

It's worth it, we got the artillery shell which allegedly has Sarin in it.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Um, so we should leave Iraq because war produces graphic images? Dare I say, you could just as easily find worse pictures from WWII.

I really wonder what is rattling around inside some of your heads sometimes.

 

[Wag]

I'm still trying to figure out why it needed to start?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Wag
I'm still trying to figure out why it needed to start?

:beer:

 

[JoLLyRoGer]

Are these SFW?

 

[arsbanned]

Dare I say, you could just as easily find worse pictures from WWII.

I'm surprised anyone would be so daft as to suggest a parallel, but hey, go with it, man.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Wag
I'm still trying to figure out why it needed to start?

You're a cop. You spot a prisoner out on parole who missed his last few appointments with his parole officer. He has his hands in his pockets. You tell him to turn around and put his hands behind his back. He turns around but doesn't take his hands out of his pockets but instead yells to you that he doesn't have any weapons. You ask twelve more times and still he refuses. Do you A. Just let him go cause you don't want to escalate the situation uneccessarily or B. Draw a weapon with the intent of subduing him?

Onlookers and tweaks would probably be yelling "Police brutality!" and "WTF, man? He was just chilling and you, like, came out of nowhere, man." But that cop, by beating the guy down and making sure he wasn't a threat (whether or not he had a weapon) would have done the right thing for society.

 

[leeboy]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Wag
I'm still trying to figure out why it needed to start?

You're a cop. You spot a prisoner out on parole who missed his last few appointments with his parole officer. He has his hands in his pockets. You tell him to turn around and put his hands behind his back. He turns around but doesn't take his hands out of his pockets but instead yells to you that he doesn't have any weapons. You ask twelve more times and still he refuses. Do you A. Just let him go cause you don't want to escalate the situation uneccessarily or B. Draw a weapon with the intent of subduing him?

Onlookers and tweaks would probably be yelling "Police brutality!" and "WTF, man? He was just chilling and you, like, came out of nowhere, man." But that cop, by beating the guy down and making sure he wasn't a threat (whether or not he had a weapon) would have done the right thing for society.

Thanks for letting us know we are the Worlds Police again. Perhaps they should have that in bold type at the top when you enlist so you know what you are getting yourself into. Sadly, my son will never see the light of day again and I have yet to hear one reasonible explanation for exactly what we are doing over there in the first place. His mother and I are comforted to know so many on this board feel his death was justified because we found 1 sarin shell.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Wag
I'm still trying to figure out why it needed to start?

You're a cop. You spot a prisoner out on parole who missed his last few appointments with his parole officer. He has his hands in his pockets. You tell him to turn around and put his hands behind his back. He turns around but doesn't take his hands out of his pockets but instead yells to you that he doesn't have any weapons. You ask twelve more times and still he refuses. Do you A. Just let him go cause you don't want to escalate the situation uneccessarily or B. Draw a weapon with the intent of subduing him?

Onlookers and tweaks would probably be yelling "Police brutality!" and "WTF, man? He was just chilling and you, like, came out of nowhere, man." But that cop, by beating the guy down and making sure he wasn't a threat (whether or not he had a weapon) would have done the right thing for society.

Bad analogy.

saying the prisoner 'missed his last few appointments' is implying Iraq kicked out the inspectors, which is a lie. The inspectors were pulled out by UN/America. Also, Iraq has allowed the inspectors in, so in your cop analogy, the cop approached the man, searched his pockets and found no weapons. A pedestrian then comes alone and tells the cop, 'look man, he's got 400 machine guns somewhere, I've seen them!". The cop automatically accepts the pedestrians accusation and demands the person show him where those 400 machine guns are hidden. The man tells the cop, 'look man, I don't have that kind of arsenal, and you just checked my pockets'. Then the cop thinks about taking the man to the police station but realizes he has no charges that can put the man in jail, so he just takes out his gun and shoots the man dead in the street. Good job cop.

 

[Genx87]

Iraq didnt kick the UN inspectors out in 1998?

That is news to me.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: leeboy

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Wag
I'm still trying to figure out why it needed to start?

You're a cop. You spot a prisoner out on parole who missed his last few appointments with his parole officer. He has his hands in his pockets. You tell him to turn around and put his hands behind his back. He turns around but doesn't take his hands out of his pockets but instead yells to you that he doesn't have any weapons. You ask twelve more times and still he refuses. Do you A. Just let him go cause you don't want to escalate the situation uneccessarily or B. Draw a weapon with the intent of subduing him?

Onlookers and tweaks would probably be yelling "Police brutality!" and "WTF, man? He was just chilling and you, like, came out of nowhere, man." But that cop, by beating the guy down and making sure he wasn't a threat (whether or not he had a weapon) would have done the right thing for society.

Thanks for letting us know we are the Worlds Police again. Perhaps they should have that in bold type at the top when you enlist so you know what you are getting yourself into. Sadly, my son will never see the light of day again and I have yet to hear one reasonible explanation for exactly what we are doing over there in the first place. His mother and I are comforted to know so many on this board feel his death was justified because we found 1 sarin shell.

There's probably alot more, but that's beside the point. A rogue regime with a history of deceiving inspectors, using WMD, and a refusal to offer full compliance to UN resolutions was removed from power. Even if we don't find any more, he still could have had more made at a moment's notice. The rules are, if you want to be a rogue dictator, fine, but you need to bend over backwards to prove to the entire world that you are not a threat.

 

[earthman]

The inspectors came back later, but Bush started the war before they could wrap up and say there were no WMD's. They had to leave so we could attack.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Iraq didnt kick the UN inspectors out in 1998?

That is news to me.

No. The UN recalled them because Iraq wasn't cooperating. See? There's a HUGE difference.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: earthman
They came back later, but Bush started the war before they could wrap up and say there were no WMD's.

They'd have had a hard time doing that without being able to interview scientists outside of the country. The order was to fully comply...not sort of comply.

 

[owensdj]

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse." - John Stuart Mill

 

[Zephyr106]

Originally posted by: owensdj
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that everything is worth war is much worse." - John Stuart Mill

There's part two. Not related but I've noticed some peace-hating lately.

Zephyr

 

[T-man]

The innocents and kids are what jacks with my mind
little kids getting maimed for life is just wrong

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Genx87
Iraq didnt kick the UN inspectors out in 1998?

That is news to me.

No. The UN recalled them because Iraq wasn't cooperating. See? There's a HUGE difference.

Actually, the Clinton administration recommended they leave as it was about to launch strikes against Iraq.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Those pics looked like Martyr Makers to me.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Wag
I'm still trying to figure out why it needed to start?

You're a cop. You spot a prisoner out on parole who missed his last few appointments with his parole officer. He has his hands in his pockets. You tell him to turn around and put his hands behind his back. He turns around but doesn't take his hands out of his pockets but instead yells to you that he doesn't have any weapons. You ask twelve more times and still he refuses. Do you A. Just let him go cause you don't want to escalate the situation uneccessarily or B. Draw a weapon with the intent of subduing him?

Onlookers and tweaks would probably be yelling "Police brutality!" and "WTF, man? He was just chilling and you, like, came out of nowhere, man." But that cop, by beating the guy down and making sure he wasn't a threat (whether or not he had a weapon) would have done the right thing for society.

Didn't the Dub promise that we wouldn't be the World's Policeman during his last election campaign?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Wag
I'm still trying to figure out why it needed to start?

You're a cop. You spot a prisoner out on parole who missed his last few appointments with his parole officer. He has his hands in his pockets. You tell him to turn around and put his hands behind his back. He turns around but doesn't take his hands out of his pockets but instead yells to you that he doesn't have any weapons. You ask twelve more times and still he refuses. Do you A. Just let him go cause you don't want to escalate the situation uneccessarily or B. Draw a weapon with the intent of subduing him?

Onlookers and tweaks would probably be yelling "Police brutality!" and "WTF, man? He was just chilling and you, like, came out of nowhere, man." But that cop, by beating the guy down and making sure he wasn't a threat (whether or not he had a weapon) would have done the right thing for society.

Didn't the Dub promise that we wouldn't be the World's Policeman during his last election campaign?

Come on Mr. Dawn, you know better than that.

(Not a comment on Georgie, just a comment on croo- er politicians.)

 

[chess9]

War is good; God is great; but, the U.S. of A. is best.

Tough pictures....

-Robert

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: T-man
Here you go
Try groups 2 and 4,
WARNING /NOTE, these images are graphic in their depiction of the scenes of war

Those pictures are probably like porn to some of the Bush Fanclub members around here.

 

[maluckey]

Why the war needs to stop? Because Innocents die in wars. It's elementary.

The war will stop as soon as the Iraqis tow the line. If the terrorists would go away, the United States would go away. The United States has no interest in staying. It's bad politics and certainly not economically rewarding. The sooner they wake up and smell the coffee, the better. All they have to do is to play nice-nice, and the evil Coalition will go away like a bad dream.

As far as why it started? Please!! Iraq had violated (on numerous occaisons) a peace treaty with the United States of America. This allows the United States to resume blasting until they see fit to stop blasting. It's the way war has been fought since time began. There is no international treaty, law, or precedent to say that the invasion was not justified. When you break a peace treaty, you risk war.