NEC Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2070SB...

[ArborBarber]

Yeah I know...beating a dead horse. I'll be buying a monitor soon and want to get a 20" or better display. I was thinking about getting this monitor. I was wondering if any had an opinion or recommendation? I am considering the following, NEC MultiSync FE 1250+, NEC Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2060u. Any other monitors suggested? Thanks!

 

[ArborBarber]

No opinions?

 

[LED]

Those are both nice Monitors (I use both +) and Hitachi's are too...let your eyes be the judge

 

[Tol]

Until you get into the $1500+ category, I think the 2070/2141 monitors are the best around...they get the majority of votes, at least. I want to buy a nice big monitor soon as well. I'm pretty sure I'll be getting the NEC FP2141SB-BK. It's the same monitor as the 2070, but about $30 cheaper at Dell. If Dell drops their Sony G520P price by the time they have their next big monitor sale, it might be able to lure me away with it's similar specs and beautiful bezel.

 

[ArborBarber]

Thanks for the reply! I'll probably be buying it online, however I'll check out some stores around here and see if I can view them first. I read a couple of bad reviews about the pro 2060u...that's why I posted this thread, I wanted to get some users opinions...thanks again!

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: ArborBarber
Thanks for the reply! I'll probably be buying it online, however I'll check out some stores around here and see if I can view them first. I read a couple of bad reviews about the pro 2060u...that's why I posted this thread, I wanted to get some users opinions...thanks again!

I just bought the NEC FP2141SB-BK from Dell, 10% discount and free shipping. The best monitor I've ever seen. Yes, it's the same as the 2070u, I'm pretty sure about that. If you can't get a similar or better deal from Dell you probably can if you wait a bit. They seem to have specials all the time. That Dell deal beat everything else online and by a LOT!

Here are some very good positive reviews of the 2060u and they went a long way toward convincing me to buy my 2141, which I figured would probably be as good or better. Scroll down on the page and there are 3 or 4 very interesting and mostly detailed reviews by actual customers, some of them knowledgable.

If you can get a good deal locally, and with decent customer service (they will exchange a defective monitor), then I'd definitely buy it that way instead of online, even from Dell. Check out this thread which I started. It describes the problems you might have if you are not lucky. I now consider myself lucky and will probably keep mine although it's not perfect. It has one black pixel, and Dell would exchange it free but I don't want to take a chance that the replacement would be worse. In truth, that black pixel doesn't bother me the slightest bit. I would only exchange it to get better focus/convergence - text sharpness is my main concern. I do lots of stuff but reading text is easily at the top of my priority list. I wasn't able to find any user reviews for the 2141 or 2070u. I guess they are too new. My text is very sharp but it's not perfectly uniform. The corners are relatively fuzzy (some worse than others), but still pretty good. Truthfully, I haven't been able to find a sharper monitor, so I'm reluctant to exchange this one in the hopes of getting a better one. Never seen the Sony CPD-G520. A lot of peoplel say it's the best bang for the buck but I've seen reviews by users and pros saying it's text sharpness sometimes leaves a lot to be desired. So, I'll probably keep mine. Hey, it beats my 17" so badly I can hardly use it any more.

 

[GrumpyMan]

I have a 2060u and it's the finest monitor I've ever had. The geometry, deep rich colors and text clarity are all perfect. Better than the Trinitrons that I've seen. But of course that is subjective. Tom's HW for what that's worth gave it the best of 21-22 inch category.

 

[ArborBarber]

Muse and GrumpyMan,
Thanks for taking the time to post a reply...I think I won't go wrong with either the 2060u or the 2070SB. I appreciate the links, ! I did read the reviews on Toms hardware, but they seemed alittle dated, but seeings how you guys have these monitors it's a strong endorsement...I know "beauty is in the eye of the beholder", but it never hurts to get opinions from ppl who actually have to look at their monitors everyday! I just wanted to make sure my purchase was going to be a good one, I mean after all, you can spend alot of money on the most expensive hardware out there, but if your monitor sucks what good does that 3.06 HT'ed OC'ed GB mobo w/ an ATI 9700 Pro do ya?...LOL Thanks again!

 

[Tol]

User Review of the FP2141SB-BK over in the Ars forums.

 

[ArborBarber]

Tol...
Thanks for the link, any suggestions in the $1500 range? I would like to not have to play the RMA game...

 

[Tol]

For $1500, you could always go crazy and get a 24" widescreen, but other than having extra space for toolbars in design programs I don't see the point.

Sony's F-series always review well. The current being the F520. Eizo/Nanao are also highly regarded.

Personally, I've never seen an F520 or a highend Eizo in person. For even the most technically inclined average user, I can't imagine they are so much better than the 2070/2141 to demand the cost. I'm sure someone out there has use for them...maybe they can explain why they cost so much more. =)

 

[ArborBarber]

Tol...
Thank you for your persistance in following this thread...I'm concerned at this point, I followed your thread and have read many a nightmare. I just want a decent monitor for the price without the hassle, I'm sure you can of all ppl understand my dilemma...reviews at this point seem far and few between as most manufactures seem now more to accommodate lcd....

 

[Tol]

Considering the fact that you were crazy enough to ask about the $1500 monitors, I'm guessing you are like radrd, the guy he recommended the 2141 to, and myself...we want perfection. Like Sonic Death Monkey said, CRT monitors are analog devices. No two are going to be the same, and if you try hard enough you'll be able to find a fault with each one of them.

A few months ago, my local Fry's Electronics had the 2141SB and the Sony G520 sitting right next to each other. I played with them once for about 30 minutes and couldn't honestly come to a conclusion on which had the better picture. I had no display tools available, but both appeared to be perfect in windows apps after a few geometry adjustments. I wish I had a chance to see all the features of NaviSet. It looks like a nice feature from the pics on the website.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: Tol
User Review of the FP2141SB-BK over in the Ars forums.

I'm unable to hit this link. Do you have to subscribe to hit the link?

 

[Muse]

I haven't been able to get Naviset to work. Check out NEC/Mistu's website for it. They have a list of supported video cards. I don't believe mine supports it, a ti4200. I don't care too much. I don't adjust a display all that much once I have it the way I want it. One thing though, there are 3 brightness settings (Off, 1 and 2). You set your brightness and can get super bright 1 and super bright 2, which is brighter. On mine, setting 1 looks great and is twice as bright as off. But setting 2 has some ghosting and I won't be using it.

 

[Tol]

I noticed the ars forums are having trouble right now, as well. I wanted to go do a search for "naviset" over there to see if anything turned up.

EDIT: No subscription is necessary...just looks like technical difficulties right now. Took a long time for me to load the official Star Wars Galaxies page just now, too...maybe someone broke some part of the internet.


EDIT #2: 30 seconds later, everything seems speedy again.

 

[ArborBarber]

Oh crap! Yes, I said crap!!! Man, what a female dog, yes, I also said female dog! I just want a decent 20" + monitor for the price. Do I really want to spend $1500? No way! But I sure as heck don't want to get a monitor that has all the problems I've been reading about! Is shipping the real problem? I'll pick it up if it is! Man, what's up with QC? Talk about becoming frustrated!!! Oh my goodness! I thought getting a decent mobo was a problem...LOL! That seems like a walk in the park now! My silly arse 17" Phillips is looking better and better all the time!!! Maybe I should just stop whinning and go with the 2070SB and take my chances? Seems like alot of dough just to "take your chances"! Take your chances...what a sorry state!
Funny, how I can't post the word crap, but selling a bogus problem monitor is ok?

 

[ArborBarber]

I don't want to get off topic....but there seems to be a problem with lamers and ddos attacks, nice isn't it? DALnet has gone down and might be up for sale due to these attacks. I guess everything is related, bad QC and behavior. I know I was cursing a bit in my last post...but I can hear the cursing now from ppl who pay top dollar for a monitor(or any hardware for that matter) that doesn't live up to its' advertised abilities... Hmmm...maybe I should have named this thread "whinning", but I wonder, is it really "whinning"?

 

[Tol]

The worst thing about these threads...
If I bought the 2141 when it first came out, without reading anything about it, I'm sure I would think it was amazing and I'd have no trouble with it. Now, after waiting and reading these threads, there are going to be so many small, insignificant problems with whatever I purchased that I'm guaranteed to not be 100% satisfied.

Ignorance is bliss? I guess they were right.

 

[ArborBarber]

Tol....what are saying, "Shut up and go with the 2070SB!" ??? LOL! Yes, I know, we're all spoiled little brats....but after all it is my hard earned money! I spent the last three weeks working under buses in stone covered parking lots in -8F weather....All I am asking for is a decent monitor for $750, which comes at the cost of my frozen arse! Hey, if I didn't do my job right the school districts would have my arse in a sling...

 

[Muse]

I could RMA my 2141 if I wanted to. In fact I had it set up. It has a black pixel. But honestly if that were the only thing wrong with the monitor I wouldn't even entertain the idea of RMAing it. I can't see it unless I look for it. Big deal. If you're not in a big hurry, wait until Dell offers free shipping and at least 10% off. They you'll get it for $665 like me or less. If the monitor has problem(s) you don't like then RMA it. Be patient. Any monitor can be a lemon, that's just the way analog monitors are, like Tol says. I have a 17" monitor, a Nanao F2-17ex, which in its day was the best 17" monitor you could buy. It cost me $1000 and that was a very good price. I picked it up myself. If you can pick up your monitor, I'd advise doing it. My 2141 came and all 4 of the packing styrofoam forms were broken. Somebody tossed that box, a frustrated shot putter, I suppose. Or maybe they dropped a pallet of them with a forklift. It's almost hard to imagine how all 4 forms could have broken like that.

My Nanao 17" looks as good as the day I bought it, if my memory is good for that. I think it's not as bright as it was, possibly. However, the 2141 makes it look like a toy and is much sharper and brighter. It also has a lot better color uniformity. At this very moment I have both my machines attached to the 2141!

 

[ArborBarber]

Thanks....good food for thought. So the 2141 and the 2070 are the same monitor? What's the main difference, price? Dell has a good deal running right now...maybe I'll see if I can get in on it.

 

[Alptraum]

Thanks....good food for thought. So the 2141 and the 2070 are the same monitor? What's the main difference, price? Dell has a good deal running right now...maybe I'll see if I can get in on it.

They are the same. Usually the Mitsu is abit more price wise but they are still pretty close. While physically they are identical (other then badging) they may have some difference in warrenty or bundled software you may want to check into. But hardware wise they are the same.

I have had tons of great experiences with Diamond Pros. I recommend them highly.

 

[ArborBarber]

Alptraum....thanks, I think I might just go with the Diamond Pro 2070SB.

 

[Alptraum]

Alptraum....thanks, I think I might just go with the Diamond Pro 2070SB

You won't regret it. Enjoy.