Nearly a year ago in Las Vegas...

SlowSpyder

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Almost one year ago today, a mad man used a semi auto firearm with a bumpstock to murder dozens of unsuspecting victims in what should have been a careless fun filled night at a concert. Since that time, more than 15,000 other innocent victims of gun violence have died and well over 23,000 more due to suicide by gun.

However, in the same time frame over 50,000 innocent victims of second hand smoke have died, and almost 500,000 people have died due to tobacco related self harm. In the case of guns, the anti-2A left will wipe their ass with the constitution to harm our constitutionally guaranteed rights to move their partisan agenda forward. But, those same people give zero fucks about all the lives lost to things like tobacco and alcohol (both significantly more harmful than guns and both do not lawfully stop up to 50,000 crimes a year (as even this elite leftist anti-2A AT P&N'er admitted), they have no upsides while guns do). In light of this, it is a hard argument to further limit gun rights, when the same people that make their anti-2A arguments with so much emotion can't be bothered to care even a little about lower hanging fruit that harms minorities more than white people (like guns) and does significantly more harm overall. It is obvious that the anti-2A agenda is a partisan agenda built on emotion and not logic. When you weigh the risks vs rewards of certain rights, guns do comparatively little harm compared to other things that no one care to further limit or even have more discussion about. This is why the anti-2A agenda is see through and nothing more than a vile partisan attack on the constitution and our rights.




P.S. - Has the Trump economy crashed yet? When I last posted here I was told it was going to happen soon..
 
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deathBOB

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Moronic. No one else can make me drink or smoke, but with guns I have to trust the rest of you assclowns.
 
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SlowSpyder

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Moronic. No one else can make me drink or smoke, but with guns I have to trust the rest of you assclowns.

Second hand smoke, by definition, is not smoke you choose to put into your body. Once again the AT P&N anti-2A left missed a clear parallel comparison.
 

deathBOB

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Second hand smoke, by definition, is not smoke you choose to put into your body. Once again the AT P&N anti-2A left missed a clear parallel comparison.

Indoor public smoking is essentially banned where I am. It’s certainly a public health issue that hasn’t been ignored.
 
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ch33zw1z

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Indoor public smoking is essentially banned where I am. It’s certainly a public health issue that hasn’t been ignored.

Yup, a year later and the fool just doesn't care. It's his schtick and that's what he will stay with.
 

Viper GTS

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The beautiful thing about being an adult is I have the ability to walk the fuck away from secondhand smoke.

While we should be concerned about the impact of smoke on people who don't have a choice (mainly children) this is an absurd comparison and you know it.

Viper GTS
 

SlowSpyder

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Indoor public smoking is essentially banned where I am. It’s certainly a public health issue that hasn’t been ignored.

Cool. Still there are 50000 innocent victims of second hand smoke vs. 15000 innocent victims of gun violence. Those are the facts. And banning smoking indoors does nothing to stop third hand smoke. No matter how you cut it, the anti-2A'ers fail because they are laser focused on guns while ignoring much bigger killers. Which prominent anti-2A Dem is running on a platform to further reduce smoking deaths? How many of them have that as part of their platform? How many of them have limiting the constitution, errr, the 2A as part of their platform?
 

TheVrolok

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Hey Slow, read that paper on everything the government has done to combat the health concerns regarding smoking yet? Or just going to keep saying the same incorrect things repeatedly? I mean, we both know the answer, don't we?

Won't really bothering engaging your trolling, just a heads up.
 

SlowSpyder

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Hey Slow, read that paper on everything the government has done to combat the health concerns regarding smoking yet? Or just going to keep saying the same incorrect things repeatedly? I mean, we both know the answer, don't we?

Yes, there have been limits put on both tobacco and firearms, and the numbers are what they are (I put them in the first post). Anti-2A'ers don't care about saving lives, they care about moving their partisan football up-field. Simple as that.
 

TheVrolok

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Yes, there have been limits put on both tobacco and firearms, and the numbers are what they are (I put them in the first post). Anti-2A'ers don't care about saving lives, they care about moving their partisan football up-field. Simple as that.
I see you've proven my point. Refer to my edit.
 

SlowSpyder

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I see you've proven my point. Refer to my edit.

Posting factual information is not trolling. Simple reality is that anti-2A'ers are driven by propaganda and look at guns in a vacuum. Rights and the risks they carry should be weighed appropriately, and comparing one right to another isn't uncommon or somehow unfair just because the real numbers don't agree with your emotionally held position.
 

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dont forget the 40k killed in auto deaths in 2017

but the deaths in vegas are a typical week in chicago,
 
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SlowSpyder

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dont forget the 40k killed in auto deaths in 2017

but the deaths in vegas are a typical week in chicago,


Certainly more strict gun laws will help in Chicago... that city has been run by the Blue team forever, the results are clear.
 

deathBOB

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Cool. Still there are 50000 innocent victims of second hand smoke vs. 15000 innocent victims of gun violence. Those are the facts. And banning smoking indoors does nothing to stop third hand smoke. No matter how you cut it, the anti-2A'ers fail because they are laser focused on guns while ignoring much bigger killers. Which prominent anti-2A Dem is running on a platform to further reduce smoking deaths? How many of them have that as part of their platform? How many of them have limiting the constitution, errr, the 2A as part of their platform?

The states sued the tobacco industry for billions of dollars. Do you think they should do the same to the firearms industry?

We also tried prohibition. I think we should do the same with firearms and see how it goes.
 

SlowSpyder

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The states sued the tobacco industry for billions of dollars. Do you think they should do the same to the firearms industry?

No, I don't think they should. Everyone knows using a gun on yourself or another person will very, very likely cause harm. This is not a point of contention. But big tobacco tried to pretend like that was not the case in regards to their product. I don't think a surgeon general's warning on gun packaging will make a difference, do you?
 

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The good news is it was a country music concert so most of the people killed were probably conservatives anyway.
 
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deathBOB

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No, I don't think they should. Everyone knows using a gun on yourself or another person will very, very likely cause harm. This is not a point of contention. But big tobacco tried to pretend like that was not the case in regards to their product. I don't think a surgeon general's warning on gun packaging will make a difference, do you?

Gun makers sell guns on the supposed belief that they make you safer when evidence points to the fact that they don’t. That seems misleading.

Your arguments aren’t very logical, I think you’re the kind of person I wouldn’t trust with a gun in a dangerous situation. You may not make the right decisions.
 

SlowSpyder

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Gun makers sell guns on the supposed belief that they make you safer when evidence points to the fact that they don’t. That seems misleading.

Your arguments aren’t very logical, I think you’re the kind of person I wouldn’t trust with a gun in a dangerous situation. You may not make the right decisions.


There are demonstrated examples of guns in fact making people safer and stopping a threat to their or a third party's life. Can you say the same for smokes? Also, the last gun I bought was a KelTec PMR30. I do not see anything saying I'm safer in the packaging, however it did come with a gun lock and lots of information on safe handling and storage, warnings on how to use it responsibly.

For the record I am not anti-tobacco or anti-alcohol, I simply am smart enough to understand that all rights carry risk, and when one looks at the risk attributed to guns, it pales in comparison to risks created by other rights no one care about further limiting or restricting. In that light it is hard to argue for stricter gun laws, at least stricter laws that whittle away a constitutionally guaranteed right.